Isn't too early to declare "Surge Success"..after all...the war is still going on

[opihimoimoi]

Them Insurgents might be waiting for a better day...like when we leave?

and because we don't know....we gatta leave something back>>>

like a small Force until such time its judged truely safe...

which will not happen...unless, Obama brings Lasting Peace through diplomatic efforts....

In this case...success is measured in terms of decades and scores....

[CJCRANE]

1. What war?

The war (or more properly invasion) was over back in 2003 when they knocked over Saddam's army.

ON edit: everything since then has been an occupation.

[RNdaSilva]

22. Beat me to it...

what war?

[TwilightGardener]

2. Wondered that myself--when did the surge officially end--or did it?

If the "gains" it produced do not last for 1 year, 5 years, 10 years--is it failure, or still a success? Afghanistan was very quiet for a long time too--we thought we were winning, actually.

[opihimoimoi]

6. Them Pubs are awfully cleaver in the word game...its best to use Reality to garner assessments

They are not telling us the TRUTH....never did....always cow chips and BS

[Radical Activist]

3. Isn't McCain being presumptuous?

[opihimoimoi]

8. He is pandering to his Dwindling Base...desperation drives the Propaganda Machine

The fuel is hugh amounts of expenditures...i.e Rush getting a $400,000,000 contract....they pack the airwaves with bought out peeps sucking at the Pub Teats...o'Really, Hannity, Savage, Tweety, Coulture, Laura I, etc etc stacking the deck through repetitious talking points...as sometimes parodied on the Daly Show and KO's Countdown

[DeepBlueC]

4. wasn't the "surge" supposed to end...?

That is what made it a "surge" rather than an "escalation".

[opihimoimoi]

5. They told us the surge would work and the boys be coming home..remember that?

30,000 troops supposed to come home

so far, only a trickle came home...WTF?

and if all is cool....the whole lot of them coming home...then a question...what about all those bases we made? who gonna man those?

This whole thing about surge success smells to high heaven or low pig sty...

[TwilightGardener]

7. It's the longest-running military tactic in the history of war. It's like Pickett's Charge

or D-Day lasting 18 months.

[opihimoimoi]

9. The Basement Crew can only do so much....Reality reigns...BS is not the way to go

by McJoke...and yet, he is stuck with the GOP Mode of winning at all costs...even if by decieving the peeps

To FOOL is to RULE

Not this time ...the peeps are seeing the neg results of GOP control and they are angry...

[BlooInBloo]

10. It's the new "Are you patriotic enough" issue.....

Americans absolutely HAVE to have SOMETHING be a success, after all, or else you must hate America.

[opihimoimoi]

12. The Pen is Mightier than the Sword Time...McPain is stuck on Sword..Obama is the Pen Guy

Them War Babies think Might is Right....but in the long term...its Peace thats way better...

Its Construction....not Destruction....

Big Picture Time....Solve for ALL and ya Solve for the Small....Logical and Makes perfect Sense.

[Johonny]

11. agreed

It would appear many of the insurgents actually have gone off to other battle fields. The vast majority of the people fighting are home grown and not insurgents. They clearly have been jockeying might for money and power. It's not clear how long the peace between these groups will last if A) a military strike on Iran occurred, B) the money runs out C) The Democratic win in November and time table to leave Iraq does not occur.

[opihimoimoi]

13. All parties must come out feeling like they won something

This happens when Diplomacy actually works producing the ever evasive PEACE

[Blondiegrrl]

14. My question is, if we're "winning" the war ...

What's the prize?

4,000+ dead soldiers?
Skyhigh gas prices?


:shrug:

[opihimoimoi]

15. The War Dudes don't look at it that way...they are selfinterest...they use

our troops for someones GAIN...our boys are being killed for someones profit...thats reality.

It appears to be a hugh scam...for the OIL.....

We won but we get the bombs bullets and body bags....and the bill of course....

well, Victory for now ...if we could call it that...cause we really cannot see the future....after we leave...they most likely will come back... as in Afghanistan

[Blondiegrrl]

16. I view the War on Terror as that carnival "Whack a Mole" game.

You know ... the second you pound one mole on the head, another one pops up somewhere else.

[opihimoimoi]

17. Whatever it is...I am reluctant to call it a success...at least for now

only because they can come back any time they choose...after we leave...and/or snipe at our occupying forces....

[wmbrew0206]

18. They are playing word games right now. The "Surge" is over and it was a "success"

However, you have to remember that the "Surge" was not meant to Win the war. I was to stop the civil war and give the IRaqi Politians a some breathing room to make political progress.

So by that standard, was the "Surge a Success?" Right now the answer is Yes.

The civil war is over. The Iraqi Politians appear to be making progress.

The difference is that the Surge could be a success and we could still lose the war.

[opihimoimoi]

20. Points well taken,,,,,toast

:toast:

[moondust]

19. Ask Iran.

The Deciders lurking in the background with virtual veto power.

[opihimoimoi]

21. Bush wants a war....with Iran....he should be very careful...we are at a point

where any disruption of oil could trigger chaos...7 years ago, things were different

Today, the world sucks oil like never before...any disruption and off we go to higher prices and perhaps a small famine...ya know...50 million or so die.

The world pop gains by 85 mil per year...7 years ago, we had almost 600 million LESS PEEPS

BushCo ain't over yet....he still is in office.....it is very dangerous right now....

[RNdaSilva]

23. The "war" -- actually invasion --- was over when Bush declared...

Now, back to the war on terrorism...Afghanistan.

[opihimoimoi]

24. but resumption might occur at any time...