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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:22 AM
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I'm worried. Tell me not to worry.
weak in the knees today after a week when McCain should have been beaten bloody by the media for dreadful comments (imagine if Obama had told the rape joke, or if his adviser told us we where whiners etc etc etc)

I'm really hoping that a great reception in Europe might get the press to back off realizing he's gonna be prez

But with this damned "liberal" media

I

worry.

Tell me its neurosis and we'll be fine.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:23 AM
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1. don't worry.
actually, worrying is better than complacency, so, just through November,

worry.

just not too much.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:31 AM
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2. What rape joke? eom
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:40 AM
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5. here's the joke
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 12:41 AM by Hamlette
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/15/214110/823

Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, `Where is that marvelous ape?'
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:10 AM
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12. What twisted fuck would joke like that?
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:30 PM
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25. John McCain. Loser. Asshole.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:32 AM
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3. Road Worrier here. I know how you feel.
as a mom I've spent about 15 years cut off my life worrying about things that I shouldn't have.

in the end, worry means piss all and does fuck all except make you less able

you either enjoy/celebrate or mourn. the in between stuff means nothing.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:42 AM
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7. like the Mark Twain quote
"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles but most of them never happened."

But still...I worry.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:46 AM
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8. me too :sigh;
I can't talk myself out of it
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:33 AM
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4. Maybe instead of worry, just stay diligent.
No doubt that the media needs to be hounded and we need to work to make sure Obama's elected - we can't let up until November 5th. But, this can all be done with a positive attitude - because we will win and we will take back our country.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:42 AM
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6. for an accurate and encouraging picture go to phrgndumass's daily thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6513566

You will find accurate information and a clear picture of where we are at.


Today in the thread we referred to the fact that ABC withheld favorable national polls showing Obama ahead by +8 %


A few days earlier we had concluded on an exhaustive analysis of state by state polls that Obama's real lead was - you guessed it 8%



The Electoral college total is even better and if you follow the updates you will see that there has been a significant shift in state breakdown as this helpful chart shows:

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:54 AM
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9. I am an obsessive, chronic worrier and every time I get into the dumps too far
I read grantcart and phrgndumass' math-o-palooza and feel better about everything.

Math don't take prisoners, and these two pack the heavy math.

Word.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:59 AM
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11. bookmark this and use when necessary
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:29 AM
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17. not bad but while I was there I found this, Susan Eisenhower's endorsement. Very good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyNzIaUAat0&feature=related

She didn't do what so many republicans are doing "my party left me, didn't follow our principles" blah blah

She talks about what's right about obama

and when Norah O'donnell says "McCain is 25 years old than Obama. He's so much more experienced." Susan says "the thing I like about the age difference is this country needs to plan for our future and a younger person like Obama is paying more attention to that."

But thanks. I couldn't hear the cheer and the Boise rally was, compared to Oregon? Be honest. Kinda lame. But I do love it when red states hold blue rallies.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:58 AM
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10. maybe these two links will help
This thread on CBS finding that 50% of Obama supporters are "Enthusiastic" while on 16% of McCain's are:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6516021

And whenever you really need encouragement turn to the Democrats in Idaho - yes Idaho - my favorite video of the campaign:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fwJEWLUv8
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:13 AM
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13. Your Worries Are Entirely Justified. It Is Only Going to Get Worse
The media's hounds are on it.

McCain is being covered by Odie here:


Obama is being covered by Cujo:


and that is they way it is, and the way it will be until November (and beyond, for whichever one becomes President).

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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:17 AM
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14. You really shouldn't worry this time...
Even his own base still calls him a RINO and are still threatening to sit this one out or vote for Bob Barr..

This is how the "Republican Base" see him:

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:05 AM
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15. the truly undecided voters won't pay attention until September
Actually, they will start thinking about it when we have the convention, and by September they will be paying attention enough to focus on McCain telling rape jokes, calling his wife the C word, dumping his crippled first wife after carrying on with a woman half his age for a year.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:19 AM
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16. Well, Gramm resigned from the campaign
so it's not like it went unnoticed.

As for the rape joke, as horrible as it was, it was 22 years ago, so it's just not front-page news. If he had told it this week, it would be different.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:41 PM
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31. However, we all know if Webb was picked as Veep,
his position 25+ years ago would be in the limelight as though it happened yesterday.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:37 AM
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18. here's what I needed
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 02:37 AM by Hamlette


If people are willing to put money one it, seems safer than relying on Gallup. I mean really, what kind of name is that? Gallup. It sounds so made up.

Anyway, more good stuff here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6513566&mesg_id=6513566

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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:38 AM
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19. It's not very complicated
Based on the last 8 years, would you rather be us or them?

Routs are a myth in a polarized era like this. Obama has a frenzied base and Independents are currently voting like pseudo-Democrats, thanks to George Bush. We're exactly where we need to be, and the dynamics of the race severely limit any potential for Republican surge.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:22 AM
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20. This next week or so should prove interesting.
With Obama meeting with individuals in several countries, I'm going to be watching how the U.S. media covers it versus the foreign press. I usually note the dicotomy, but this week especially. If the U.S. media fluffs the whole trip, the foreign press will have the right (and probably will) to severely criticize its American brethren as illegitimate journalists, meaning bogus. And corporations behind the American media don't like to be second to anyone. After all, in their minds, THEY control the truth.

I see it as the American media will likely have to give some legitimacy to Obama's trip and his mission, only because the world will be keenly watching.
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:53 AM
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21. It's not the media's fault
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 05:56 AM by Bonn1997
If the Obama group wants the media to start talking about anything, they have to start talking about it first. The McCain group understands this and isn't afraid to get their hands dirty. That's why (or at least part of why) anything negative about Obama is played on the media. The news coverage would be different if they ignored everything negative about Obama. Bill Clinton was the only Democratic presidential candidate in the past two decades who understood that you need to get your hands a little dirty sometimes in politics. How many times has the McCain group accused Obama of flip flopping, for example, and Obama's surrogates have just gotten defensive rather than attacking McCain for being the real flip flopper? I'm not talking about lying but just capitalizing on your opponent's mistakes and weaknesses.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:26 PM
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22. You are wrong
Obama is not playing defense. McCain is getting a pass. It happens every year. Hours are spent turning Gore into a liar and Kerry into an out of touch French, unpatriotic, snob.

They are doing the same thing to Obama.

If Obama had made any of the 50 mistakes McCain has made, each one would be a week long story on the net, then the cables, then on your national news then the newspapers.

Then Obama would look like senile idiot who didn't know his ass from his elbow.

Obama's team is playing this just right. The are on immediate response, unlike Kerry, and are pushing back on silly stuff like going after Michelle.

I don't remember Clinton getting dirty. He was charismatic and smart and hit back when he was hit but he didn't get dirty.
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:55 PM
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23. It's only a mistake if
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 12:56 PM by Bonn1997
the other side takes advantage of it. Right now, McCain's making "mis-statements"; It's Obama's job (or at least his surrogates') to turn them into costly mistakes. You know that if Obama had made any of these mistakes McCain's campaign would release official statement that these are "dangerous times" and we can't afford "rookie mistakes" or "on the job training." The media will focus on whatever the campaigns focus on. McCain's camp is focusing on the negatives of Obama--so the media focuses on that. Obama's camp, in contrast is focusing on--well actually I have no idea what they're focusing on.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:29 PM
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28. the media has the mic
you think it is Obama's fault because he hasn't been pointing out McCain's flaws. I suppose you believe McCain is the one driving the bad press for Obama.

I say no. The media is driving both. And as example I would point to Michelle. The right wing media has trashed her constantly yet I have not heard McCain or any of his surrogates say one bad thing about her. It is 100% driven by the media. If McCain said Michelle was a terrorist it might piss people off. If Fox news says it daily, it doesn't rub off on McCain and has the added advantage of coming from a flipping "news" source.

It's like that with everything else.

If you think there is a liberal or even a neutral media in this country you are not paying attention.
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World Citizen Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:28 PM
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24. your worry...
is a good thing..... its a sign of your humanity... your concern for the health and welfare of human beings and our planet. If you didn't worry, then I would be really worried.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:36 PM
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26. I'm a little worried considering in the past 5 decades Republicans have come back in autumn
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 01:39 PM by cbc5g
Many times significantly. Carter was up 20 in the summer, won by 2. Dukakis up 12 in summer lost by 8..Gore up 6-10 points up in the summer to a mere 500k win in the popular vote. Clinton in 92 was one that doesn't count for because, well, he was running against 2 parties.


It's troubling..Obama should be up around 10 points right now. Either polling is A LOT better now and Republicans won't make it up in the fall, or Obama has some secret strategy unlike the other Dem candidates and can turn the whole fall republican bounce around.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:03 PM
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27. It's OK to worry...
A little. We shouldn't get complacent and think we've got it in the bag. My advice is not to watch the MSM for the sake of your blood pressure and heart.
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:35 PM
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29. We Should All Worry
In an election those campaigns that stop worrying are the ones that lose.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:37 PM
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30. I have to edit this. I just remembered how the last races were STOLEN.
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 05:39 PM by vaberella
Worry. It's healthy and I would be too until Obama is given the Presidency.
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