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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 01:05 PM
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Wes Clark at Netroots Nation
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 01:48 PM by Tom Rinaldo
General Clark helped open the Netroots Nation Conference (previously called Yearly Kos) last night, and he used most of the time he had to speak in to validate our importance in the strongest terms possible. Clark spoke without notes, so there is no transcript of his prepared remarks availato quote from, but a number of bloggers and j ournalists capured versions of much of what he said. For this blog I am focusing on coverage of Wes Clark's comments about the importance of the Netroots:

From statesman.com:

"Gen. Wesley Clark exhorts Netroots Nation
By W. Gardner Selby | Thursday, July 17, 2008, 08:12 PM

...Understandably, there was one more group he wanted to recognize, the Netroots’ nation of bloggers.

“You’re like the keel on the ship of state, you’re like the compass on the bridge,” the general said. “You keep America going in the right direction. You bring passion, you bring commitment, you bring your ideas and you bring your energy to American politics.

“We’ve needed you for so long in this country and we need you desperately right now.”
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/07/17/gen_wesley_k_clark_exhorts_net.html


From Todd Beeton on MyDD:

Netroots Nation: Thursday Night Keynote Liveblog
by Todd Beeton, Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 09:35:15 PM EST

"Brandon Friedman of VoteVets introduced Wes Clark. You could tell he was very moved by the experience and needless to say when Wes Clark came on stage he got a standing ovation. He thanked us for standing up for him over the John McCain flap, which struck me as funny. I thought he was the one to be thanked. He said:

You'll never get the country to believe Democrats can defend our country until Democrats start standing up to defend other Democrats.

The place went nuts. Jonathan and I bonded over having voted for Clark in 04.

Clark is really about giving praise tonight. He had public servants in the room, from candidates to teachers to health care workers to veterans, stand up and get applause. His reasoning: what it means to be a Democrat:

We're people who believe in public service in general.

He ended by talking about how important bloggers are and thanking us for our passion and our fearlessness in spreading much needed information and ideas."
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/17/213515/082


Oddly, coverage from the Washington Times was fairly comprehensive and positive, and it include a link to the video snippet which I discuss and link to at the bottom of this OP:

Bellantoni
POSTED July 17 2008 10:03 PM
Video: Wes Clark says McCain flap pushed by right wing "freakshow"

"...You've been a major force in my life," Clark told the group of about 2,000, noting that the Internet community encouraged and aided his 2004 presidential bid.

He lauded practically every group attending, from military veterans, public servants like police and firefighters, political candidates and organizers and health care workers. He even thanked the "lawyers," meaning public defenders helping make their cities safer.

He said progressive bloggers "keep america going in the right direction" and have brought unprecedented "passion ideas and energy to American politics."

He said so often politics degenerates into name calling and said the netroots have avoided that.

"It's not about partisanship and it's not about personal attacks it really is about getting it right for the United States of America," he said, adding: "You are the guiding compass for America."

The crowd laughed when he said of the wealth of ideas coming from the group, "And you spew them forth in great volume."

"Our country needs you needs you now more probably than at any other time in recent history," he said.

Clark also praised Sen. Barack Obama as a candidate "who can bring that change if we put him in office."

"But to bring that change you've got to bring the American people along with him," he said. "Netroots nation you can do it."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/bellantoni/2008/Jul/17/video-wes-clark-says-mccain-comments-part-right-wi/


From News 8 Austin:

Bloggers bring blue to a red state
7/17/2008 11:35 PM
By: Kate Benz

...Clark said blogging is bridging the gap between the military and politics. He thanked bloggers repeatedly.

"I would have never run for office, except for the fact that 70,000 people on the Internet demanded it," he said. "I'm not saying it was the greatest run in presidential history, but we did win a state."

Clark spoke about the importance of values and human rights and praised all public servants in attendance.

He said bloggers are paramount to what he called "getting it right for the United States of America."

"We needed you for so long in this country, and we need you now," he said. "What you say is very important. People read it – believe it or not – they read it across party lines."
http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=214723


Then there is this overview from Capitaql Hill Blue:

the power of netroots
July 18, 2008 - 9:41am.

by Robert A. Kezelis

Last night we were given one hell of a surprise. Not only was Dr. Howard Dean giving the keynote talk (as always, energized, on topic, and convincing), but we had an unannounced guest speaker. General Wes Clark (ret) He spoke for not less than 30 minutes, without teleprompters, notes, or a written speech. And he spoke brilliantly. He managed to let the audience know just what sort of problems we face and how it was up to individuals to do their part in fixing them.

It is easy to see how this man inspired troops to reach higher and give more, and to do their best for their leader, their country, and along the way, for themselves.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/9619



My SPECIAL THANKS to fellow DUer CarolNYC who gathered together all of the reports used in this blog for a longer piece she posted herself at Clark Community Network. I mined her efforts here with her permission.

CarolNYC has the video posted of Clark speaking at Netroots Nation in the DU Video Forum. It's the clip that includes Clark discussing "The Right Wing Freak Machine" that created that faux controversy over his remarks about John McCain's military service. The video closes with General Clarks expressing his deep gratitude to the netroots for how hard we fought back against the Right in his defense. Here is the link to the video thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x158854


I hope all DUers who rallied to support General Clark get to see his thank you delivered live to all of us.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 01:09 PM
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1. Tom--are you there again this year?
I'll see you in ten days in B. I'll expect a full report!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 01:52 PM
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2. Unfortunately Not.
The closest I got was watching a live stream of the opening remarks (including Wes Clark's and Howard Dean's) on my laptop last night. I could report on that when I see you but I already did that in a thread I posted last night - and that's just not the same, is it? :)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 02:05 PM
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3. Thanks

Sorry I missed it but thanks for the summary.



This simple statement seems so elementary to me that I don't understand why it isn't better understood at DU:


You'll never get the country to believe Democrats can defend our country until Democrats start standing up to defend other Democrats.


This is not a debating society (which I loved doing in HS) this is about winning power in a General Election. There are times to be self critical and introspective. Now however is the time to do what it takes, within our ethical and metaphysical world, to win power. Then there will be more time for debate and fratricide.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 02:36 PM
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4. Team work wins
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 02:38 PM by Tom Rinaldo
And you can't have team work withthout a team. When it's game day, Democrats have to fight together as a team to win. If we can't get the job done acting like a real party, a real team, voters have good reasons to wonder if Demorats can pull the nation together and then forward. Team mates don't always like each other, but they must know how to cooperate when push comes to shove, and not allowing other Democrats to come under unfair withering attack is part of that.

Having both Dean and Clark on last night's program at Netroots Nation was interesting in several ways. Both men are fighters who are willing to fight for other Democrats, and both seemingly have at times been abandoned by Party leaders in the midst of the fight when they were the target. Clark stood up for Dean when other leading Democrats seemed ready to turn on him early in Dean's DNC reign. The netroots have always felt positively toward both Clark and Dean. We were there for Dean when he needed us and we were there for Clark when he needed us too. It's clear that there is a bond of mutual respect that was expressed and on display in Austin last night.

P. S. on edit: And the Deanie/Clarkie internet wars of the 2004 primaries seem so long ago now.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 04:12 PM
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5. The Deanie/Clarkie internet wars?
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 04:13 PM by rebel with a cause
I remember them well, and then I left the web after Clark left the race. Never did get into the worshiping thing even though I really liked and respected Clark, and still do. Now I also like and respect Dean. And I feel much the same way about Obama as I did Clark, only a little stronger since I have met him and have a little personal connection with him. Of course, that doesn't mean that I don't get aggravated with him at times, just as I have the other two, but now we are going for the GE and all I have to say is the positives for our candidate and his surrogates.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:28 PM
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8. I know what you mean
Knowing Clark on a personal level solidified my respect for him. I am not surpised that meeting Obama did that for you. Worship is nuts in regards to politics, everyone is wrong some time. But my respect for Wes Clark over the years has only grown, and I guess I can say the same for Howard Dean also.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:37 PM
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9. Yes, I agree.
The personal contact can make a difference, positive or negative, in how you feel about a person. I know it won't happen, but I would still like to see Wes Clark as the VP this year. In fact, I am really disappointed knowing that it won't be happening.

As for Howard Dean, I sure like him a lot better than I did in 2004. ;) I think the way he has run the DNC has impressed me more than anything.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:33 AM
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12. Same goes for me, especially when it comes to Wes Clark
I have known both of them for nearly a decade, and while I was impressed by Howard
from the start, Wes has grown from a bright guy who seemed ill at ease with a crowd
to a man comfortable with world stature. Eight years ago, Wes Clark was a man you had
to get to know up close to be impressed by him. No longer.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:32 PM
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6. a great irony

is that the Republicans who want to stress individual rights a smaller government and primacy of individual action will, when the campaign comes, drop all disagreement and march in step according to orders from on high.

and the Democrats that value the power of the social covenant and the need to combine efforts so that the cooperative effort brings more security and greater prosperity and justice never trusts its leaders and never stops nitpicking and barely gets to the unity stage by lunch time the day before the election.


if your a Deist it proves that God has a sense of humor and if your not it proves that in all things Karma has the last word.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:49 PM
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11. And if you are an Agnostic it at least proves
that not all jokes are funny.

The all for one and one for all philosophy Democrats end up being harder to herd than cats, while the every man for himself Republicans (who use male terminology as gender nuetral) turn into cattle when it comes to waging election battles. Interesting insight - I never quite thought of it that way before.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:14 PM
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7. My sister is having a blast at Netroots Nation!
We live here in Austin. Last night she was
thrilled to hear Howard Dean and Wes Clark
speak. She got a book signed by George
Lakoff, and she's getting another one
signed by David Sirota.

What a great thing.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 07:09 PM
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10. Thanks Tom for pulling this together
While the network bashing of Gen. Clark was going on, I wasn't sure if the roots were rallying. I guess they/we did. For every good piece of MSM reporting of Gen. Clark's interview, I've seen 20 horrible ones. I read one editorial where the writer called for every soldier to spit on Wes Clark. I would imagine that he and his family have read these things too. I guess only John McCain is honored for his service. Oh...and fuck Buddy Day.

Very few elected Democrats had the decency to step forward and stand up for the truth. I rather suspected that the General wanted a chance to thank the online community. I thank our community too. We must learn to bury them in emails and jam their phone lines whenever the media goes into their mode of personal destruction.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:35 AM
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13. Thanks for posting this! Big K and R!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:27 PM
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14. Here is the nearly complete transcript of General Clark's comments at Netroots Nation
Transcribed from a tape that missed only a few minutes at the beginning by RegNYC:

Wesley Clark
7/17/08

...of saying things that get taken and used by other people. (laughter) So, I was down at CNN. I was a - I don't call it a pundit - I was a military analyst, and I wasn't on the Pentagon's payroll. In fact, Don Rumsfeld hadn't figured this out at that point.

(applause)

And,

(more applause)

And I was talking about what was going on in Afghanistan. I was doing military commentary. I was talking about the possibility of the United States going to war with Iraq in 2002.

And the Times of London called, and they asked me to write an op-ed piece that could be published in the Times of London about whether Saddam Hussein was a threat and if he was what we should do about it. And this was August of 2002. And so, I was at home and working in my, in my study, and my wife came in and she said, "Honey, what are you doing?" I said, "Well, I'm writing this op-ed for the Times of London." She said, "Oh please," she said, "Don't do this!"

(laughter)

She said, (laughs) "You're going to disagree with the Pentagon," and she said, "When you do, the Democrats will use it, and you'll be drawn into electoral politics, partisan politics." She said, "Please, do you have to do this?" And of course, I said, "Yes." And-


(enthusiastic applause)

And you all drew me in. I, I did speak out. I was called in front of the Senate and I testified in September of 2002. And I testified in front of the House, and I warned about the dangers of going to war. I warned about the wording of the Iraq War Resolution. At the time I was in front of Senate, the White House had proposed that the Iraq War Resolution would say they had the authority to use force anywhere in the region at any time, undefined. So, at least we got that taken out of the Resolution.

And Ted Kennedy did use my words, and before I knew it all kinds of stuff was happening. One of the people I was in business with actually called me in. He said, "You know," he said, "if you stay here, we won't get anymore business deals." And I said, "Gee, I'm, I'm really sorry about that," and I left. And a lot of people talked to me about running for office, and I would never've done it except for 70,000 people on the internet who demanded (applause starts) that I show myself. You did, and I thank you for that.

(full-on applause)

Y-you've given me hope and inspiration in this complex and difficult American political system. You've done that. You made it possible for me to run for office, and I'm not saying that it was the greatest run anybody's ever made for the Presidency, but we did win a state. And-

(applause)

And not even the state that I live in. (laughter) And we did raise 20-some-odd million dollars, including several million dollars from you all online.

And after that campaign, you did give me a chance to continue to have a voice in America. And together we've actually accomplished something. You know, we started along with VoteVets, we started stopiranwar.com . (applause starts) And you know what? It's still there.

(applause)

And George Bush's government today has a representative in a meeting in Europe with the Iranians.

(cheers and applause)

You can take some credit for that, because your voices were part of that.

And one time some blogger was trying to make an issue - I don't know exactly why he picked on me, but he found my cell phone records and he published them online. And there was this huge torrent of outpouring and outrage, and you all did that and you helped people protect their privacy online. You did that. (applause starts) And that's important.

(applause)

When Darcy Burner, who's a candidate (cheering) for Congress-

(more cheering)

You know, her house burned down about three weeks ago, and you all helped us raise tens of thousands of dollars for Darcy Burner. And I thank you for that.

(applause)

And I hate to say this, but I was taken out of context (chuckles) on Meet the Press or on Face the Nation. (laughter) I mean, there's just no other way to say it. But someone came to me last night. They said, "You weren't taken out of context, General Clark." They said, "This was a playbook operation by the right-wing freak machine." It's the great freakshow. And what they do is they take a statement, then they either take it out of context or distort it. Then they blast it. Then they criticize, and then it becomes personal. They're getting so good at it that they did all three steps in less than 12 hours. (laughter) And you fought back and I'm (applause starts) grateful to you from the bottom of my heart.

(applause)

Several years ago, I was at a Washington dinner with James Carville, and we were just having a casual conversation. I said, "James, how are we going to, how are we going to convince the American people that just because we're in a time of war that they don't have to vote Republican? How are we going to get them to understand that Democrats have a pretty good national security record?" He said, "You'll never get the American people to believe that Democrats will defend them until Democrats stand up and defend each other."

(applause and cheering)

Thank you, because you did that.

(applause continues)

No, this is a great community, this Netroots Nation. It is a great community, because it stands for principles. You all are people who are from all walks of life, from all, every spectrum, from every state, from every profession, from every background imaginable. But you're united by your passion for good government that takes America in the direction we must go.

(applause)

I think you know what tho-those directions are. I think in foreign policy it's clear, we have to make more friends and fewer enemies in the world.

(Cheering and applause)

I think it's clear that if we're going to succeed in our efforts in Iraq and in Afghanistan that we've got to have more non-military capabilities to go along and complement and support and reinforce the incredible courage and ability of the men and women in uniform.

(applause)

I think you understand that in the economy that it can't be all about giving more pay and more perks to CEOs, that we've got to take care of the people in this economy who do the work day in and day out.

(applause)

I think you understand that what it means to, what it means to make America more globally competitive in the world. It doesn't mean giving an 18 billion dollar tax subsidy to the world's largest corporation.

(applause)

But it does mean having a real poligy- a real policy on energy, working toward energy independence, supporting alternative energy and renewable energy. It means really digging in on education and making sure our youngsters have preschool education, great secondary schooling and that every single American who has the desire and the ability to go to college or university can afford to do so.

(applause)

I think you understand it means that we've got to have a real healthcare reform in this country. (Cheering and applause) Every American should be covered by meaningful healthcare, not just an insurance policy that can be cancelled, but every American has a right to healthcare. And (cheering and applause begins) we're united in demanding it be provided.

(cheering and applause continues)

And I think you understand that when you're talking about the non-military and non-economic factors of national power, you understand that the most powerful elements of America are what we believe in, our values as a nation, and that we can't succeed in the world if we compromise our own values on things like human rights and the treatment (applause begins) and abuse of prisoners at Guantanamo.

(applause and cheering)

These are some of the principles that pull us together as a Netroots Nation, but if you want to see how significant we are look at the people amongst us who are not only members of this community but who are standing for office. And could I ask all those who are running for elected office this year, this cycle - whether it's state or local or federal office - please stand up right now!

(extended cheering and applause)

Thank you for giving them a big round of applause. And I want to add my personal thanks to our candidates, because I think it takes a lot of sacrifice and it takes a lot of courage to run for public office in America. And I salute them for doing so. Thank you.

(applause)

But I think another value that pulls us all together here in America is that we're people who believe in public service in general. And I'd like to recognize all those who are in public service professions. I'd like to see our teachers stand up. Would you stand up if you're a schoolteacher?

(applause)

Alright, thank you. How about our healthcare workers, our nurses and doctors and medical profession?

(applause continues)

Thank you.

(applause continues)

How about our public service lawyers, our defenders?

(applause)

Thank you. How about our police and firefighters?

(applause)

How about our community volunteers, our development, our organizers who go out there and bring people together? Would you stand up?

(applause)

And I want to recognize our active duty military and our veterans. Can I ask you to stand up (applause begins) if you serve or did serve this country in uniform.

(cheering and applause)

Thank you.

(applause continues)

I don't know if I'm- Did I miss any professional group? (laughter) If I did, I apologize, but there's one other group that is doing a very important public service that I do want to recognize. You see, beyond all the issues that we have, beyond all the great members of this group individually and what you bring to your communities - running for office, serving in public service professions - beyond all of that, you're doing something else. You're like, you're like the keel on the ship of state. You're like the compass on the bridge. You keep America going in the right direction. You bring passion. You bring commitment. You bring your ideas. And you bring your energy to American politics. We've needed you for so long in this country, and we need you desperately right now.

(applause)

I know, it's, it's a little hard to applaud for yourself. (laughter) And you're the kind of people who don't take s-self-praise and self-congratulation easily. But I want to say it very seriously, because I want to, I want you to understand how important you are to this country. The fact is that lot's of people in America have ideas about politics. Most of them do. You can meet them anywhere. You can even hear them on Fox News. (laughter) And some of the ideas are well informed, and some of the ideas aren't very well informed or aren't very articulated. Some of them are just sort of gut feelings.

And there's a political scientist, Drew Westen, who has done some very important research down at Emory University, and he's shown that once people get firm, fixed political ideas in their heads, they stop processing information as information because it conflicts with their ideas and they process it emotionally as a sort of accept or reject. And I think that's sadly the case with a lot of political dialog today. It degenerates into name calling, personality spats, accusations of lack of parenthood in some cases. And as a great nation, we can do so much better than this.

Read the great political oratory of the past. Go back and look at the Lincoln-Douglas debates. Go back and read Theodore Roosevelt's speeches or Woodrow Wilson's. It's not about partisanship, and it's not about personal attacks. It really is about getting it right for the United States of America, and you have been given voices. You're on the internet. And I know because you're here, you're not on the internet, but you'll be on the internet again very shortly. (laughter) And what you say is very important. Lots of people read it, and believe it or not, people read it across party lines.

I was in, I was up doing a fundraiser for Rick Noriega last night, and remember-

(interrupting cheering)

Rick's going to be our next Democratic Senator.

(cheering)

And he's from Texas! Rick, where are you? Are you here? Where are you? (cuts out)

(cheering and applause)

But a man came up to me and he's, he's a Texas legislator. And he actually converted from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party. (applause) And you know why he did it? It wasn't just personality. It wasn't because he got mad at Fox News one day. It was really the collection of ideas and the difference between what one party stands for and what another party stands for. And it shows you that despite all the emotionalism of politics that ideas, real ideas can still move people.

You are the guiding compass for America. It's a very serious responsibility. You're committed to the world of ideas. You spew them forth in great volume. (laughter) I know, and I read a lot of it. And if it's entertaining, that's wonderful, but it's also a very serious process. Our country needs you, needs you now more probably than at any other time in recent history.

We need change in America. I think we've got a candidate for the Presidency who can bring that change if we put him in office.

(applause)

But to bring that change, he's got to bring the American people along with him. And believe it or not, it's not just a matter of donations or votes. It's a matter of ideas and the power of ideas, and you speak with that power. You're going to be here for a couple or three days. You're going to be greatly entertained. You're going to entertain each other. I love Rafiq and his jokes, and he'll be out here in a second. And I hope he'll do a fist bump with each and every one of you. (laughs)

But we're in a serious business. This country needs leadership, and you're leaders. So, let's move America forward together. Netroots Nation, you can do it. Let's do it.

(applause)

Thank you.

(applause)

Thank you very much. Thank you.

(applause)

Rafiq, come up here, man.

(applause)

Hey, you owe me a fist bump!
(Rafiq laughs)

Alright! It's my brother here. Now listen, you got some work to do, Netroots Nation. Let's get to it!
(Continuing applause)
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