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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 07:44 AM
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Obama Campaign Is Making Progress With Evangelical Voters

Obama Campaign Is Making Progress With Evangelical Voters


McCain leads with the group but the Democrat is doing all the right things

By Liz Halloran

Posted July 17, 2008

Randy Brinson says he "almost fell out of my chair" when he heard that expected Democratic nominee Barack Obama had chosen Zanesville, Ohio, as the setting for a recent speech in which he embraced the concept of using faith-based groups to help carry out government social service efforts.

It wasn't that Zanesville struck Brinson as an odd locale. Quite the opposite. It was that Obama had clearly figured out something that Brinson already knew.

"Zanesville is Ground Zero for conservative evangelicals in Ohio," says Brinson, who, as founder of the voter registration organization "Redeem the Vote," knows a thing or two about where to find conservative Christians. It's a place, he says, that is populated with just the kind of recently reliable Republican voters Obama has tried to woo with a strategy that Brinson and other Christian leaders say they have found remarkable.

"They've researched where the votes are, and they've thrown away the old Democratic playbooks," says Brinson, who is among the evangelical leaders the Obama camp has reached out to. "Instead of just relying on a large number of urban votes, they're going to suburban areas and reaching out to a large number of conservatives." And so are Obama supporters: the religious political action committee Matthew 25 has already aired a pro-Obama ad on Christian radio in Colorado Springs, Colo., home of evangelical leader James Dobson of Focus on the Family, a harsh critic of the Democratic candidate.

Zanesville is one of the places where Brinson's five-year-old nonprofit group found particularly fertile ground for signing up "people of faith," he says. His group registered more than 78,000 people nationwide in 2004 and was instrumental in boosting the ranks of conservative white Christian voters who helped President Bush win his second term. Redeem the Vote now touts its 70 million-plus E-mail list that targets evangelicals. Mike Huckabee used the list to help him win eight primary and caucus contests before ceding the race to presumed GOP nominee John McCain.

"Where the Obama campaign is going is right on target, and that's why he's doing so well," Brinson said.


more...

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/07/17/obama-campaign-is-making-progress-with-evangelical-voters.html
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 07:49 AM
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1. Great, Obama is promising further destruction of the wall between church and state
In some sort of effort to appeal to RW fundies. I seriously doubt that enough people will vote for him this fall to offset those who are repulsed by his continued destruction of the Constitution.

Why do presidential candidates feel the need to pander to this small sector of the electorate? Sure, they're loud and obnoxious, but their voting numbers aren't that large, and shredding the Constitution in return for their votes isn't a good bargain, either for the candidate or the American people.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 07:56 AM
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2. He's not planning on shreadding the constitution to get their votes
But he realizes that he's running to be their president also.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:08 AM
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3. The shredding of the Constitution is a done deal, and its got
the fingerprints of most of our "leaders" all over it.

All too often Russ Feingold has been the sole voice crying out in the wilderness of the U.S. Senate these past seven years.

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:09 AM
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4. Sorry, but promising to expand the funding of faith based programs is shredding the Constitution
You know, that funny little think called separation between church and state. Are we going to also fund Islamic programs, Wiccan programs, Scientology programs? No, probably not, he's looking to fund either Jewish or Christian programs. Naw, that's not the state promoting specific religions is it:eyes:

This country was founded as a secular state, and our Constitution laid out that there would be no state sponsored religion, that religions were not to be aided by the government. Faith based funding flies in the face of those principles, and is in fact unconstitutional. I remember the outcry on that point when Bush instituted faith based funding, both around here and in the public at large. Now we're supposed to accept it because a Democrat is backing it? Just like we're supposed to accept the destruction of the Fourth Amendment because Obama supported it? Hmm, Nader is looking more and more like a profit everyday.

The group that he is trying to include here isn't worth destroying the Constitution over. The vast majority of them aren't going to vote for Obama anyway, and it is doubtful that those who do cross over will offset the number of voters Obama is going to lose due to his ongoing destruction of the Constitution.

Sure, if he wants to go to their conventions and speak with them, fine. But don't destroy the Constitution on their behalf, or frankly on the behalf of any constituency. Didn't we have enough of that under Bush?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:26 AM
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22. Funding religions organizations does not violate the First Amendment
as long as they fund a variety of demoninations, religions and non-profits (which they do).

The First Amendment only guarantees that the government cannot force us to participate in any one religion.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:34 PM
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27. Not talking about the First Amendment here,
Talking about the separation between church and state. Faith based funding directly violates that, as court cases have shown.

As far as accepting a variety of demoninations, let me ask you this, how many of them were non-Judeo Christian in nature? How many have been Islamic, pagan, Scientologist, etc? The answer is somewhere between slim and none, with heavy emphasis on the none.

Sorry, but I don't favor further erosion of the wall between church and state, no matter who is proposing it. But hey, I'm odd that way I know, I put the Constitution, our rights and freedoms above partisan politics any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:38 PM
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34. Um... what you're using the catchphrase "separation of church and state" to describe
IS in the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

And offering support to organizations doing charity work, regardless of their provenance, so long as the work is done without regard to religion and in a non-discriminatory way has no deleterious effect on the 1st Amendment (or if you prefer, with the separation of church and state).
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:13 AM
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5. Since when is asking for votes "destruction of the wall between church and state"
This "small sector" is considered to be around 30%. That's why.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:38 AM
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7. Since he started promising increased funding of faith based funding to try and get those votes
As far as the number of evangelicals, the number of those voters is aprox. 26%. The number of conservative evangelicals, ie RW fundie, is much lower than that, about ten percent of the population. <http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3375543> So you're willing to toss over the Constitution, the wall between church and state in some sort of vain effort to win over a distinct minority group who, in all likelihood aren't going to vote for Obama no matter what? Sorry, but I don't think that this is direction Obama should be taking. Don't you think that this president has already done enough to lower that wall? Frankly I think that the next president should both restore the Constitution and the wall separating church and state. Sadly, it looks like that's not going to happen. All for a few votes:eyes:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:03 AM
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13. 26% is more than blacks, hispanics, gays, and many others
Yet you're willing to pander to them.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:16 AM
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14. First of all, reread my post upthread
I said twenty six percent of Americans are evangelicals, not RW fundies. That number includes the breadth of the political spectrum, from left to right. I also said that the percentage of RW fundies in this country was around ten percent.

First of all, the pandering that is normally done to blacks, gays, etc. doesn't involve destroying the Constitution like Obama is proposing, ie the further destruction of the wall between church and state.

Second of all, Obama was speaking and pandering specifically RW evangelicals(this was at their conference where he made this proposal). Quite frankly this is territory that he's not going to find fruitful, no matter what he promises them. Thus his move is not only furthering the destruction of the Constitution, he is willing to do so for little or no political gain. How fucked up is that?

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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:37 AM
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23. The percentage of fundamental "Christians" at 10% seems very low when I think about all the
attention given to bashing gay people, the clamor for creationism in schools and all the gay marriage laws on "protecting marriage" and all that crap. Plus there were enough of them to elect Bush.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:38 PM
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28. Incredible the noise a determined, and supported group can make
As the old saying goes, the Moral Majority is neither. However RW fundies and their issues have been held up as the ideal by the 'Pugs for over thirty years now, and they do give large amounts of money.
If you don't wish to believe my link above, you can always go out and do a search for yourself. I think that you'll be surprised at the small group of people that have been holding this country hostage for so long.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 02:13 PM
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30. No problem really, but I have seen newspaper articles that say >70% of 'murcans
believe in angels with wings, and that the earth is 6000 years old, and the rest of that stuff, and I believe they will vote for the person who is waving the bible, cross and flag the highest. Last time it was Bush**. Obama is wasting his time on those people.

This makes me think of the old Adlai Stevenson quote:

The last major presidential candidate from Illinois, Adlai Stevenson, was approached by a voter in the 1950s. "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking American," she said.

"That's nice," Stevenson replied. "But I need a majority."


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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 03:20 PM
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32. I've seen that too, but I'm going with the official definition of RW fundie
Namely that to be such, a person has to be a conservative of the Evangelical persuasion.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:16 AM
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6. Look at this through the eyes of healing rather than hate.
The Christian right have become repugnant in many ways because no-one in politics has really appealed to the aspects of their faith that are 1) good and 2)apolitical. Charity and stewardship and giving back to the community doesn't have to be political, and therefor doesn't have to breach the separation of Church and State. It's only when these groups are able to affect legislative decisions or discriminate based on their faith that there is an issue...

I think that reaching out to "people of faith" in a way that brings out the best aspects of their "beliefs" while restricting them from choosing who they benefit can only be a good thing. (And for the record I am NOT religious in any way shape or form, in fact, quite the opposite).
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 08:42 AM
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8. So how big will the uproar be if we started funding Scientology programs?
Or Wiccan, Islamic, Nordic, etc. etc.? If you are going to fund the programs of one religious group, you have to fund the programs of all religious groups, and you know that this simply isn't going to happen with the Judaic-Christian emphasis in this country. Therefore if you're not going to fund all groups, you shouldn't fund any groups. The Founding Fathers were wise men when they installed the separation of church and state. A real shame that their wisdom is being discarded in order to pander for a few votes.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:17 AM
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9. If they've got a program that's successfully providing a needed service without discriminating...
What would be the problem? As a matter of fact, Do you know for sure that there are no government subsidized programs that are run by any of these groups? My guess would be that there are.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:00 AM
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11. I would seriously doubt that under Bush, any religions other than Christian or Jewish received money
I seriously doubt that under Obama many more would be added. People would get into an uproar if Muslim groups started getting funding, and probably an open revolt if any pagan groups got funding.

However, be that as it may, our Constitution, our country was designed to have a wall between church and state. What good is it to tear it down now? Do we really want to live with the consequences of continuing to tear down that wall, all for political pandering.

Sorry, but I stand by the Constitution on this one. Sad to see so many people aren't willing to do so, all in the name of winning. Gee, what other political group tore down the wall between church and state in order to get votes? Oh, yeah, the Republicans. One would hope that we're better than that, but apparently not.

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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 09:29 AM
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10. As I remember he specified major, maybe three, religions.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 09:30 AM by MarjorieG
I think he's taking away the GOP wedge issues in a way he feels comfortable- and in an authentic way. Even having a book describe his personal progress, in his more intellectual approach that is appealing.

After 2004, after Lakoff and Frank's What's the Matter with Kansas, we Dems were lamenting we needed to learn how to talk with one another, respectfully, and find a less threatening way to address gun rights, abortion and religion. Well, he's doing it without betraying anything. Saying there are gun policy needs different for Cheyenne and Chicago. Finding something in Scalia's ruling to describe what has been Democratic policy of protecting needs of hunters, etc.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:03 AM
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12. I'm more than willing to discuss matter with 'Pugs and conservatives
I'm more than willing to find consensus on various issues. Hell, I live in a red county in a red state, I have to do that all the time

But we shouldn't be throwing the Constitution overboard in order to get votes. That's no better than what the 'Pugs do, pandering for votes. Our Constitution has already been trashed in the past few years, we need to work on repairing it, not trashing it further.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:24 AM
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16. I'll trust the Constitutional expert/lawyer on this.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:42 AM
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17. Cool, let's see here
Here's what a judge thinks <http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/janfeb02/milfaith.html>
And a Circuit Court of Appeals <http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2007/12/8th-circuit-finds-state-funding-of.html>
Here is a group headed by an ordained minister who thinks we need better church/state separation, including doing away with faith based funding <http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_faithbased>

Oh, and please don't forget that the vast majority of people, both here at DU and Democrats, liberals and progressives out in the real world thought that faith based funding was unconstitutional when Bush was pushing it. What, now it's OK because Obama is pushing it:eyes: Sorry, but that sort of hypocrisy doesn't fly.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 02:19 PM
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31. There's an otherworld of difference between "healing" and "heeling"
and that's what the problem here is.

Article One says "an establishment of religion", not an endorsement of a particular sect. This has been one of the greasy little nuances exploited by theists ever since: "oh, it's only so one group won't have preference, that's all...". Well, that's bullshit; they can take that and their "ceremonial deism" and shove it up whatever orifice is currently in style. The very concept of "god" is not to be endorsed by the government, that's the point.

Healing the rift between believers and the non-religious and between left and right is a far cry from bringing everyone to heel with a cobbled-together assumption of belief held by a majority. Obama talks a lot about acceptance and unity, but it's really just toleration and accommodation, as long as the curs agree to the dominance of the supernatural.

Pouring government monies into religious organizations is ABSOLUTELY against the letter and spirit of the law, and it's pernicious to the marrow. Imagine a middle-aged vagrant on a snowy night in a strange town where the only open door has a cross attached to it. Cynically, many are reveling in the insinuation that goodness only comes from god, and they're snickering that we're funding their proselytizing. Imagine if that vagrant was abused by a preacher as a kid and has deep problems with religion. This is now a form of abuse.

Think this is far-fetched hyperbole? There certainly seem to be a lot of people with horrendous demons from their religious childhood.

Oneness is a lot different than submission.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 03:28 PM
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33. Besides, as you say
there are strong, core elements of their belief that dovetail very well with Democratic principles. We just havent' bothered to find that common ground in recent years - since we pretty much wrote off this group to the GOP with Reagan.

Social justice, environmental awareness... these things are becoming more important to a new and younger group of evangelicals (not all of whom are fundamentalists, either - the terms are not interchangeable).

I haven't got a problem at all with this, in fact, think it's smart. So long as what we're doing is explaining our positions and how they fit for these folks.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:21 AM
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15. Yep...it makes me want to puke.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:44 AM
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18. LOL by talking to them?
little over the top there arent we?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:23 AM
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21. Not just talking to them
But promising to expand faith based funding. He did this a week or so ago, getting up before a convention of RW fundies and promising them more money if he gets into office.

Talking with these people I have no problem with. Demonstrating a willingness to continue the destruction of the wall between church and state, I have a huge problem with.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:39 PM
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29. I see you're tearing downt that wall between intelligence and illiteracy.
There's nothing in the Obama platform that even begins to challenge the seperation of church and state. And that includes faith based funding.

But I'm willing to bet you already know that.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 10:46 AM
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19. the question is - do we really need these people to win?
I hope that that is the reason Obama (or any other Democrat) is reaching out to them. Because he needs them to win. Otherwise their input (and they will expect input) will mean a real shift to the right. Is that a price worth paying?

I'm not convinced this is the direction to go - putting religion into politics is a very dangerous thing - something our founding fathers were pretty adamantly against. It seems to me that the goals of many evangelicals don't jive too well with the goals of a free and open society. Not to mention the constitution.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 11:22 AM
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20. Link to a topic on this that I posted two weeks ago:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6451392

Thought you might like to see the article that the topic is about...
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:09 PM
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24. since it is flat-out impossible to build a progressive or Democratic majority without
a significant increase in the number of Evangelical and other religious voters. It is certainly a good thing that Sen. Obama is doing this and is making some headway.

Those who oppose trying to build bridges with the Evangelicals and other religious voters are in fact inadvertently working for a permanent and impenetrable right-wing Republican majority. If their advice is heeded ,the Democratic Party will forever be a permanent minority party and Right-wing Republicans will forever dominate all branches of government.


http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=103

Evangelical Vote Shifting Democratic, Poll Indicates



http://www.protestantedigital.com/new/leernoticiaIntIng.php?9014

CNSNews.com) - Poll data from the March 4 primary in Ohio show that more than four out of ten white evangelical Christians cast their vote for a Democratic candidate. According to the liberal groups that sponsored the poll, the data indicate that white evangelicals are interested in a broad range of issues and are shifting their voting behavior.

However, some conservative evangelical leaders dismissed the poll's findings as insignificant, and Christian Coalition founder Ralph Reed said the poll's methodology was flawed.

The exit poll -- funded by the liberal activist groups The Sojourners, the Center for American Progress Action Fund, and Faith in Public Life -- is based a telephone survey conducted by Zogby International on March 4. It revealed that 57 percent of Ohio's white Christian evangelical voters cast their ballots for Republican candidates while the remaining 43 percent voted for Democrats.

The poll also showed that 54 percent of evangelical voters identified themselves with a "broader agenda," beyond abortion and same-sex marriage to include ending poverty, protecting the environment, and combating HIV/AIDS. Thirty-nine percent favored a more limited agenda of opposing abortion and same-sex marriage.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:19 PM
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25. Many of the Evangelicals Sen. Obama is courting are in fact very progressive
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 12:20 PM by Douglas Carpenter
In 2006 Sen. Obama along with Sen. Clinton and Chairman Howard Dean addressed the conference of the largest organization by far of progressive Evangelicals - Sojourners:

Sojourners are actually fairly left-wing..





Link for Sojourners

http://www.sojo.net /

link for Sojourners Magazine:


http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.home

Interview with Rev. Jim Wallis (founder and leader of Sojourners) on Democracy Now - link:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/26/1355204


"The Rev. Tim Ahrens shared Wallis' dismay: "The faith of Jesus Christ has become such a violent and violating faith in the religious right," he contended. Ahrens is the founder of We Believe Ohio, a group of 300 clergy members dedicated to promoting social justice."

"Many Sojourner supporters didn't hesitate to call right-wingers "bible thumpers" and "fanatics," and they criticized the Bush administration for not helping the poor.

They gave Obama thunderous applause when he proclaimed his support for separation of church and state and giving teenagers access to contraception.

" link:
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/nation/14923089.htm

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 12:31 PM
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26. here is the text of theJune 26,2006 Keynote address delivered by Sen. Obama at the "Call to Renewal"
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 12:32 PM by Douglas Carpenter
Conference sponsored by Sojourners:

(Note Sen. Clinton and Gov.Dean were also in attendance and also addressed the conference)

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/06/28/call_to_renewal_keynote_address.php

Call to Renewal Keynote Address by Sen. Barack Obama


| June 28, 2006


Washington, DC

Good morning. I appreciate the opportunity to speak here at the Call to Renewal's Building a Covenant for a New America conference. I've had the opportunity to take a look at your Covenant for a New America. It is filled with outstanding policies and prescriptions for much of what ails this country. So I'd like to congratulate you all on the thoughtful presentations you've given so far about poverty and justice in America, and for putting fire under the feet of the political leadership here in Washington.

But today I'd like to talk about the connection between religion and politics and perhaps offer some thoughts about how we can sort through some of the often bitter arguments that we've been seeing over the last several years.

I do so because, as you all know, we can affirm the importance of poverty in the Bible; and we can raise up and pass out this Covenant for a New America. We can talk to the press, and we can discuss the religious call to address poverty and environmental stewardship all we want, but it won't have an impact unless we tackle head-on the mutual suspicion that sometimes exists between religious America and secular America.

I want to give you an example that I think illustrates this fact. As some of you know, during the 2004 U.S. Senate General Election I ran against a gentleman named Alan Keyes. Mr. Keyes is well-versed in the Jerry Falwell-Pat Robertson style of rhetoric that often labels progressives as both immoral and godless.

Indeed, Mr. Keyes announced towards the end of the campaign that, "Jesus Christ would not vote for Barack Obama. Christ would not vote for Barack Obama because Barack Obama has behaved in a way that it is inconceivable for Christ to have behaved."

Jesus Christ would not vote for Barack Obama.

Now, I was urged by some of my liberal supporters not to take this statement seriously, to essentially ignore it. To them, Mr. Keyes was an extremist, and his arguments not worth entertaining. And since at the time, I was up 40 points in the polls, it probably wasn't a bad piece of strategic advice.

But what they didn't understand, however, was that I had to take Mr. Keyes seriously, for he claimed to speak for my religion, and my God. He claimed knowledge of certain truths.

Mr. Obama says he's a Christian, he was saying, and yet he supports a lifestyle that the Bible calls an abomination.

Mr. Obama says he's a Christian, but supports the destruction of innocent and sacred life.

And so what would my supporters have me say? How should I respond? Should I say that a literalist reading of the Bible was folly? Should I say that Mr. Keyes, who is a Roman Catholic, should ignore the teachings of the Pope?

Unwilling to go there, I answered with what has come to be the typically liberal response in such debates - namely, I said that we live in a pluralistic society, that I can't impose my own religious views on another, that I was running to be the U.S. Senator of Illinois and not the Minister of Illinois.

But Mr. Keyes's implicit accusation that I was not a true Christian nagged at me, and I was also aware that my answer did not adequately address the role my faith has in guiding my own values and my own beliefs.

Now, my dilemma was by no means unique. In a way, it reflected the broader debate we've been having in this country for the last thirty years over the role of religion in politics.

For some time now, there has been plenty of talk among pundits and pollsters that the political divide in this country has fallen sharply along religious lines. Indeed, the single biggest "gap" in party affiliation among white Americans today is not between men and women, or those who reside in so-called Red States and those who reside in Blue, but between those who attend church regularly and those who don't.

Conservative leaders have been all too happy to exploit this gap, consistently reminding evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage; school prayer and intelligent design.

Democrats, for the most part, have taken the bait. At best, we may try to avoid the conversation about religious values altogether, fearful of offending anyone and claiming that - regardless of our personal beliefs - constitutional principles tie our hands. At worst, there are some liberals who dismiss religion in the public square as inherently irrational or intolerant, insisting on a caricature of religious Americans that paints them as fanatical, or thinking that the very word "Christian" describes one's political opponents, not people of faith.

Now, such strategies of avoidance may work for progressives when our opponent is Alan Keyes. But over the long haul, I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in people's lives -- in the lives of the American people -- and I think it's time that we join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy.

And if we're going to do that then we first need to understand that Americans are a religious people. 90 percent of us believe in God, 70 percent affiliate themselves with an organized religion, 38 percent call themselves committed Christians, and substantially more people in America believe in angels than they do in evolution.

This religious tendency is not simply the result of successful marketing by skilled preachers or the draw of popular mega-churches. In fact, it speaks to a hunger that's deeper than that - a hunger that goes beyond any particular issue or cause.

Each day, it seems, thousands of Americans are going about their daily rounds - dropping off the kids at school, driving to the office, flying to a business meeting, shopping at the mall, trying to stay on their diets - and they're coming to the realization that something is missing. They are deciding that their work, their possessions, their diversions, their sheer busyness, is not enough.

They want a sense of purpose, a narrative arc to their lives. They're looking to relieve a chronic loneliness, a feeling supported by a recent study that shows Americans have fewer close friends and confidants than ever before. And so they need an assurance that somebody out there cares about them, is listening to them - that they are not just destined to travel down that long highway towards nothingness.

And I speak with some experience on this matter. I was not raised in a particularly religious household, as undoubtedly many in the audience were. My father, who returned to Kenya when I was just two, was born Muslim but as an adult became an atheist. My mother, whose parents were non-practicing Baptists and Methodists, was probably one of the most spiritual and kindest people I've ever known, but grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion herself. As a consequence, so did I.

It wasn't until after college, when I went to Chicago to work as a community organizer for a group of Christian churches, that I confronted my own spiritual dilemma.

I was working with churches, and the Christians who I worked with recognized themselves in me. They saw that I knew their Book and that I shared their values and sang their songs. But they sensed that a part of me that remained removed, detached, that I was an observer in their midst.

And in time, I came to realize that something was missing as well -- that without a vessel for my beliefs, without a commitment to a particular community of faith, at some level I would always remain apart, and alone.

And if it weren't for the particular attributes of the historically black church, I may have accepted this fate. But as the months passed in Chicago, I found myself drawn - not just to work with the church, but to be in the church.

For one thing, I believed and still believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change, a power made real by some of the leaders here today. Because of its past, the black church understands in an intimate way the Biblical call to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and challenge powers and principalities. And in its historical struggles for freedom and the rights of man, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world. As a source of hope.

And perhaps it was out of this intimate knowledge of hardship -- the grounding of faith in struggle -- that the church offered me a second insight, one that I think is important to emphasize today.

Faith doesn't mean that you don't have doubts.

You need to come to church in the first place precisely because you are first of this world, not apart from it. You need to embrace Christ precisely because you have sins to wash away - because you are human and need an ally in this difficult journey.

It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.

That's a path that has been shared by millions upon millions of Americans - evangelicals, Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Muslims alike; some since birth, others at certain turning points in their lives. It is not something they set apart from the rest of their beliefs and values. In fact, it is often what drives their beliefs and their values.

And that is why that, if we truly hope to speak to people where they're at - to communicate our hopes and values in a way that's relevant to their own - then as progressives, we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse.

Because when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another; when we shy away from religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be unwelcome - others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends.

In other words, if we don't reach out to evangelical Christians and other religious Americans and tell them what we stand for, then the Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons and Alan Keyeses will continue to hold sway.

More fundamentally, the discomfort of some progressives with any hint of religion has often prevented us from effectively addressing issues in moral terms. Some of the problem here is rhetorical - if we scrub language of all religious content, we forfeit the imagery and terminology through which millions of Americans understand both their personal morality and social justice.

Imagine Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address without reference to "the judgments of the Lord." Or King's I Have a Dream speech without references to "all of God's children." Their summoning of a higher truth helped inspire what had seemed impossible, and move the nation to embrace a common destiny.

Our failure as progressives to tap into the moral underpinnings of the nation is not just rhetorical, though. Our fear of getting "preachy" may also lead us to discount the role that values and culture play in some of our most urgent social problems.

After all, the problems of poverty and racism, the uninsured and the unemployed, are not simply technical problems in search of the perfect ten point plan. They are rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness - in the imperfections of man.

Solving these problems will require changes in government policy, but it will also require changes in hearts and a change in minds. I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers' lobby - but I also believe that when a gang-banger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels somebody disrespected him, we've got a moral problem. There's a hole in that young man's heart - a hole that the government alone cannot fix.

I believe in vigorous enforcement of our non-discrimination laws. But I also believe that a transformation of conscience and a genuine commitment to diversity on the part of the nation's CEOs could bring about quicker results than a battalion of lawyers. They have more lawyers than us anyway.

I think that we should put more of our tax dollars into educating poor girls and boys. I think that the work that Marian Wright Edelman has done all her life is absolutely how we should prioritize our resources in the wealthiest nation on earth. I also think that we should give them the information about contraception that can prevent unwanted pregnancies, lower abortion rates, and help assure that that every child is loved and cherished.

But, you know, my Bible tells me that if we train a child in the way he should go, when he is old he will not turn from it. So I think faith and guidance can help fortify a young woman's sense of self, a young man's sense of responsibility, and a sense of reverence that all young people should have for the act of sexual intimacy.

I am not suggesting that every progressive suddenly latch on to religious terminology - that can be dangerous. Nothing is more transparent than inauthentic expressions of faith. As Jim has mentioned, some politicians come and clap -- off rhythm -- to the choir. We don't need that.

In fact, because I do not believe that religious people have a monopoly on morality, I would rather have someone who is grounded in morality and ethics, and who is also secular, affirm their morality and ethics and values without pretending that they're something they're not. They don't need to do that. None of us need to do that.

But what I am suggesting is this - secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause. So to say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Moreover, if we progressives shed some of these biases, we might recognize some overlapping values that both religious and secular people share when it comes to the moral and material direction of our country. We might recognize that the call to sacrifice on behalf of the next generation, the need to think in terms of "thou" and not just "I," resonates in religious congregations all across the country. And we might realize that we have the ability to reach out to the evangelical community and engage millions of religious Americans in the larger project of American renewal.

Some of this is already beginning to happen. Pastors, friends of mine like Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes are wielding their enormous influences to confront AIDS, Third World debt relief, and the genocide in Darfur. Religious thinkers and activists like our good friend Jim Wallis and Tony Campolo are lifting up the Biblical injunction to help the poor as a means of mobilizing Christians against budget cuts to social programs and growing inequality.

And by the way, we need Christians on Capitol Hill, Jews on Capitol Hill and Muslims on Capitol Hill talking about the estate tax. When you've got an estate tax debate that proposes a trillion dollars being taken out of social programs to go to a handful of folks who don't need and weren't even asking for it, you know that we need an injection of morality in our political debate.

Across the country, individual churches like my own and your own are sponsoring day care programs, building senior centers, helping ex-offenders reclaim their lives, and rebuilding our gulf coast in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

So the question is, how do we build on these still-tentative partnerships between religious and secular people of good will? It's going to take more work, a lot more work than we've done so far. The tensions and the suspicions on each side of the religious divide will have to be squarely addressed. And each side will need to accept some ground rules for collaboration.

While I've already laid out some of the work that progressive leaders need to do, I want to talk a little bit about what conservative leaders need to do -- some truths they need to acknowledge.

For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it.

Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.

This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what's possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It's the art of the impossible. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God's edicts, regardless of the consequences. To base one's life on such uncompromising commitments may be sublime, but to base our policy making on such commitments would be a dangerous thing. And if you doubt that, let me give you an example.

We all know the story of Abraham and Isaac. Abraham is ordered by God to offer up his only son, and without argument, he takes Isaac to the mountaintop, binds him to an altar, and raises his knife, prepared to act as God has commanded.

Of course, in the end God sends down an angel to intercede at the very last minute, and Abraham passes God's test of devotion.

But it's fair to say that if any of us leaving this church saw Abraham on a roof of a building raising his knife, we would, at the very least, call the police and expect the Department of Children and Family Services to take Isaac away from Abraham. We would do so because we do not hear what Abraham hears, do not see what Abraham sees, true as those experiences may be. So the best we can do is act in accordance with those things that we all see, and that we all hear, be it common laws or basic reason.

Finally, any reconciliation between faith and democratic pluralism requires some sense of proportion.

This goes for both sides.

Even those who claim the Bible's inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages - the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ's divinity - are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.

The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.

But a sense of proportion should also guide those who police the boundaries between church and state. Not every mention of God in public is a breach to the wall of separation - context matters. It is doubtful that children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance feel oppressed or brainwashed as a consequence of muttering the phrase "under God." I didn't. Having voluntary student prayer groups use school property to meet should not be a threat, any more than its use by the High School Republicans should threaten Democrats. And one can envision certain faith-based programs - targeting ex-offenders or substance abusers - that offer a uniquely powerful way of solving problems.

So we all have some work to do here. But I am hopeful that we can bridge the gaps that exist and overcome the prejudices each of us bring to this debate. And I have faith that millions of believing Americans want that to happen. No matter how religious they may or may not be, people are tired of seeing faith used as a tool of attack. They don't want faith used to belittle or to divide. They're tired of hearing folks deliver more screed than sermon. Because in the end, that's not how they think about faith in their own lives.

So let me end with just one other interaction I had during my campaign. A few days after I won the Democratic nomination in my U.S. Senate race, I received an email from a doctor at the University of Chicago Medical School that said the following:

"Congratulations on your overwhelming and inspiring primary win. I was happy to vote for you, and I will tell you that I am seriously considering voting for you in the general election. I write to express my concerns that may, in the end, prevent me from supporting you."

The doctor described himself as a Christian who understood his commitments to be "totalizing." His faith led him to a strong opposition to abortion and gay marriage, although he said that his faith also led him to question the idolatry of the free market and quick resort to militarism that seemed to characterize much of the Republican agenda.

But the reason the doctor was considering not voting for me was not simply my position on abortion. Rather, he had read an entry that my campaign had posted on my website, which suggested that I would fight "right-wing ideologues who want to take away a woman's right to choose." The doctor went on to write:

"I sense that you have a strong sense of justice...and I also sense that you are a fair minded person with a high regard for reason...Whatever your convictions, if you truly believe that those who oppose abortion are all ideologues driven by perverse desires to inflict suffering on women, then you, in my judgment, are not fair-minded....You know that we enter times that are fraught with possibilities for good and for harm, times when we are struggling to make sense of a common polity in the context of plurality, when we are unsure of what grounds we have for making any claims that involve others...I do not ask at this point that you oppose abortion, only that you speak about this issue in fair-minded words."

Fair-minded words.

So I looked at my website and found the offending words. In fairness to them, my staff had written them using standard Democratic boilerplate language to summarize my pro-choice position during the Democratic primary, at a time when some of my opponents were questioning my commitment to protect Roe v. Wade.

Re-reading the doctor's letter, though, I felt a pang of shame. It is people like him who are looking for a deeper, fuller conversation about religion in this country. They may not change their positions, but they are willing to listen and learn from those who are willing to speak in fair-minded words. Those who know of the central and awesome place that God holds in the lives of so many, and who refuse to treat faith as simply another political issue with which to score points.

So I wrote back to the doctor, and I thanked him for his advice. The next day, I circulated the email to my staff and changed the language on my website to state in clear but simple terms my pro-choice position. And that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own - a prayer that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that the doctor had extended to me.

And that night, before I went to bed I said a prayer of my own. It's a prayer I think I share with a lot of Americans. A hope that we can live with one another in a way that reconciles the beliefs of each with the good of all. It's a prayer worth praying, and a conversation worth having in this country in the months and years to come.

Thank you.

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