Obama says New Yorker insulted Muslim Americans

[helderheid]

By GLEN JOHNSON – 14 hours ago

CHICAGO (AP) — Democrat Barack Obama said Tuesday that the New Yorker magazine's satirical cover depicting him and his wife as flag-burning, fist-bumping radicals doesn't bother him but that it was an insult to Muslim Americans.

"You know, there are wonderful Muslim Americans all across the country who are doing wonderful things," the presidential candidate told CNN's Larry King. "And for this to be used as sort of an insult, or to raise suspicions about me, I think is unfortunate. And it's not what America's all about."

Obama blamed himself for not being forceful enough in challenging some of the rumors about him, including that he is Muslim. Obama is Christian.

The son of a Kenyan father, Obama lived in the largely Muslim nation of Indonesia as a child. He dealt with similar questions in February after a photo surfaced of him wearing traditional Kenyan clothing during a visit to Africa in 2006.

The cover of the magazine, which hit newsstands Monday, depicts Obama in traditional Muslim clothing — sandals, robe and turban — while his wife, Michelle, has an assault rifle slung over one shoulder and is dressed in camouflage and combat boots with her hair in an Afro. A flag burns in a fireplace behind them as they bump fists, and a portrait of Osama bin Laden hangs above the mantel.

New Yorker Editor David Remnick told the Huffington Post Web site the cover was chosen because it had something to say.

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This appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune.

[Muttocracy]

1. good for him for even saying that. nt

[Captain Hilts]

2. No, it doesn't. nt

[moriah]

3. I'm assuming you meant that it doesn't "have something to say"?

I realize the intent of the cover was to satirize the rumors floating around Obama and those who are silly enough to believe them, but it could be offensive to some Muslims. Of course, the rumors are offensive too.

[izquierdista]

5. I "have something to say"

about a wide variety of topics, but I don't as it would likely get me arrested in this land of "free speech".

[harun]

15. Not the first time Obama has said this

I believe in one of his speeches in the Primaries I was watching he talked about RW'rs claiming he was a Muslim. He said first it wasn't true and two it is offensive to Muslims to claim that. The speech may have been in Boston. He didn't say anything beyond that about the reasoning but here is my take.

The first offensive part is that RW'rs are saying that about Obama as if it is something horrendous to be a Muslim. (Which I know to them that is actually true, but most people don't really care, anyway...)

The second offensive part is that being a Muslim entails certain beliefs/practices etc. and Obama not doing nor attesting to any of them would make it rather offensive for anyone to claim he is one.

If that makes sense...

[babylonsister]

4. Are you a Muslim American? If not, how do you know how they feel?

Perhaps Obama has gotten some feedback concerning the cover.

[Captain Hilts]

6. I have several friends who are Muslims,

Some from Gaza, others from Kuwait and Iran.

[babylonsister]

7. Good. I'm just saying Obama isn't just saying that for nothing; he might

have gotten an earful.

[Captain Hilts]

8. Perhaps domestic Muslims think differently...

they've got to overcome the Farrakhan association as well.

That might be the difference.

[Political Heretic]

91. lol ah the "some of my best friends are xxxxx" line.

:eyes:

[jenmito]

9. Of course it does. It depicts all the RW SMEARS against the Obamas-one of which is simply being

Muslim (since the RW depicts all Muslims as being al Qaeda/bin Laden followers) which they're not. But it's MEANT to scare "low information voters" and you see that in people saying they'll never vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

[JuniperLea]

10. How can so many people, including Obama, miss the point?

Using Muslim symbolism/clothing is clearly part of the satirical criticism of the "Politics of Fear". BushCo use this all the time, and they should be called on the carpet for it too. Radical Islam is no more dangerous than Radical Christianity. Not all Muslims are radical; not all Christians are radical.

Had The New Yorker simply put the title of the cartoon in large print right on the cover, it would have saved a lot of argument.

[jenmito]

14. I think Obama's point is that being a Muslim SHOULDN'T BE something to be afraid of, but

the RW (and "low information" Dems.) think it IS something to be afraid of (which is insulting to Muslims). I'm all for this magazine cover and the message they're trying to send with it (the politics of fear as portrayed by the right) but it's still sad that simply being Muslim IS scary to many people.

[helderheid]

17. It is indeed sad. Perhaps something good will come out of all this by addressing that.

[JuniperLea]

20. It shouldn't be... that's why it is all the more satirical

It's absolutely stupid be be afraid of Muslims. That is the point of using the Muslim clothing.

[jenmito]

28. But their putting being Muslim in the same category as burning the American flag and the

"terrorist fist jab," etc. ALL of those things are "smears" against Obama. Being a Muslim shouldn't be seen as a negative like burning the flag, worshipping bin Laden, etc., but it IS by the dumb people in America.

[JuniperLea]

29. It shouldn't be, but it is, and that is stupid

And the cover is pointing out how all of these things are stupid.

BushCo has been broad-brush smearing Muslims for years. There is a huge difference between fundamentalist radical extremist Muslims and the rest of that group. Just like there is a huge difference between fundamentalist radical extremist Christians and the rest of that group.

[jenmito]

42. Apples and oranges. The satire is showing all the false NEGATIVE things said about

the Obamas by the RW and some others. Of COURSE there's a difference between radical extremists and the rest of the Muslims. But people state the mistaken "fact" that he's a Muslim (period) as a reason to FEAR him. And that's not in the same category as flag burning, bin Laden worshipping, etc. And that IS hurtful to "regular" Muslims.

[JuniperLea]

48. You clearly don't understand satire...

Because you just defined it.

[jenmito]

53. You clearly don't understand my point...

Obama shouldn't be upset since the drawing is reflecting all the ignorant people's views of the Obamas. Unfortunately, being a Muslim is part of a perceived "negative" and that can hurt the feelings of ordinary Muslims. They, unlike korans and flags and portraits, have feelings.

[JuniperLea]

54. If they truly understood the satire...

There is no reason to feel badly... in fact, if they truly understood the satire, they would support it!

[Barrymores Ghost]

58. It's clear to me that someone doesn't "get it" that good satire...

...requires context -- at least a cursory allusion to its intended target.

Kindly don't presume to condescend to those who found it needlessly inflammatory and off the mark. We all get the intent, and don't need you or anyone else to tell me or others what we already know. Nor do we need you to tell us how to think or how to react, or what to feel offended by.

What supreme chutzpah.

The New Yorker, in my opinion and those of countless others, misses its intended mark because any reference to the objects or targets of the satire -- ostensibly those who believe in or who traffic in these lies and mis-characterizations of Barack Obama and Michelle Obama -- were inexplicably missing from the piece.

Therefore, to those not hip to the satirical subtlety -- or savvy to the official explanation of the intent of this cartoon (read: about 50% of America) -- it just becomes a caricature of the misplaced stereotypes and slander leveled at the Obamas, and NOT an indictment of those who smear them with this baseless innuendo. It doesn't employ any device to enlighten the misguided or unschooled, it only preaches to its own, rather insignificantly small choir. In the end, it teaches many to associate Muslims with terrorists...like Americans need any more coaching on that level.

Many of us will be angered by those stereotypes being (even unintentionally) perpetuated, and as many will delight in them. Which camp you fall into, in this case, is certainly in question -- at least in my book.

Peace.

[JuniperLea]

60. Thanks for proving my point so eloquently...

You just don't get it or you wouldn't be so outraged.


Click and learn:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3628914


And don't confuse Muslim extremists with Muslims... now THAT is insulting to Muslims.

[Barrymores Ghost]

94. You're the only one who's confused here...

...but I think I can still work with you. I'll get a big crayon and write reeeeallly slowly, so you can keep up.

First of all, Stewart isn't taking me to task -- he's lampooning the MSM. I'm not offended by the imagery on the cover; a) I felt that it needed context for those less attuned to satire, and b) I'm offended by the magazine's thoughtless lack of consideration for what anyone with a functional brain stem could have anticipated in the way of blow-back.

My outrage comes from the fact that, because of The New Yorker's ham-handed attempt at "satire," they've created a situation that allows the MSM to blast non-contextualized fodder for GOP mouth-breathers to spoon-feed to the less-educated as proof positive that Obama is precisely what the cover ironically portrays him to be. But you already know that, too, so your post to me is nothing but empty and pathetic deflection.

I don't confuse Muslims with Muslim extremists, and nothing in my post indicates that I do. You know that already, too; you just felt you needed to somehow get in a cheap shot and accuse me of being covertly racist. How very disappointing, but I'll move on.

I know what your primary loyalties were, and I have no doubt that you probably enjoy the heat this puts on Obama, and the fact that it's pissed Obama supporters off. So, you can go right ahead and couch it in terms of "the rest of us not getting it," in your feeble attempt to avoid the perception of having an acute case of sour grapes-laced Schadenfreude -- but I think I know better, don't I?

[JuniperLea]

95. You mind reading is failing you miserably...

And your attempt to insult is telling.

Had you been paying attention at all instead of getting your little boy pants in a bunch, you would have noticed I said the title of the cartoon would have saved a lot of trouble... "Politics of Fear"...

Get a grip on that big ol' crayon of yours, and pull up your underroos... I've got big girl panties on and I don't play with little boys anymore.

Your play group is ready for you now...

[Barrymores Ghost]

96. Oh, now comes the clever sexual innuendo.

Talk about comments going "all schoolyard." How mature indeed to frame your so-called point around an underwear and implied masturbation motif. Brilliant, truly...you've really raised the bar for intellectual discourse on the matter. So, do I get a "Neener, neener" now, too?

In case you missed it, you contradict yourself in that very post you mention. You say you can't understand "how so many people, including Obama, missed the point." Then, you say "Had The New Yorker simply put the title of the cartoon in large print right on the cover, it would have saved a lot of argument."

The point is, they didn't. Hence, ergo, thusly my concern (and that of others) that Americans who don't read The New Yorker, and who have no idea that it is a progressive publication, will still only see the image through the tabloidistic filter of the corporate MSM, and feel like their fears and bigotry are being validated. That fear has already born itself out across the country, and you and yours are desperately trying to retroactively cover your tracks. Your ill-placed and nearly non-sequitur reference to The Daily Show clip proves once again how poorly you pay attention to anything that doesn't conform to your belief systems, and your willingness to twist or redefine the meaning of something in order to pound a square peg through a round hole.

Incidentally, my only insult was the allusion to your inability to keep up with your own bullshit, let alone actually listen to what other people are saying to you. That, along with everything else I said, is simply what I see in you, as evidenced by your past and present statements. If the shoe fits, well...you know what to do.

Finally, to appeal your particularly mature brand of rhetorical argumentation, I'd would only add that you:

[JuniperLea]

103. I happen to be a communications professional

I train corporate big wigs on how to communicate with their employees, their stock holders and the media. You fail. You started the schoolyard antics. My only failure was in not being able to resist a comeback.

Take your fucking crayons and leave me alone.

[Barrymores Ghost]

109. Yeah, right, it certainly shows.

"Corporate big wigs." Yes, of course, it all makes sense now -- because that's a phrase that every communications professional I've ever worked with tosses around with wild abandon, in addition to "neener, neener."

You should have resisted a little harder. Nothing personal, but your comeback had all the impact of a stale, lint-covered marshmallow.

You have yourself a wonderful weekend. Rest up.

[JuniperLea]

104. 'implied masturbation motif"

You are one sick mofo... no such thing was implied.

[Barrymores Ghost]

110. Anyone who read your last post would likely disagree with you.

But that's neither here nor there. The inaninity of what you said is axiomatic, regardless.

Ta-ta.

[helderheid]

63. What you said here, says it all:

"it teaches many to associate Muslims with terrorists...like Americans need any more coaching on that level."

:applause:

[jenmito]

59. The satire depicts being Muslim as a negative thing. Obama's NOT a Muslim (despite the belief to

the contrary) but many people ARE Muslim and don't appreciate the notion that Muslim=negative. And I, for one, think the cover is brilliant.

[JuniperLea]

62. You should really view Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" bit on this

From last night... he nails it... took it way beyond the way I've been explaining it since this whole deal went down.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3628914&mesg_id=3628914

[helderheid]

65. My mother deleted it after she saw it and removed it from her recorder's list.

[JuniperLea]

67. Well, that's just sad... eom

[helderheid]

68. For you, maybe.

[JuniperLea]

69. No, for your mother...

To close one's mind to the POV of others is to be willfully ignorant.

Perspective is everything, and unless we as human being can learn to learn, we are doomed.

Tell me, how much of what Jon Stewart has said in the past have you and/or your mother disagreed with?

[helderheid]

74. You have obviously never met my mother.

She is my hero. How close minded of you to think anyone who doesn't agree with you is sad.

[JuniperLea]

75. How sad you can't read for comprehension

I'm not saying everyone has to agree with me. I'm saying that people shouldn't willfully close their minds.

How many times before this have you or your mother disagreed with Jon Stewart?

[helderheid]

85. plenty. Now give opening your mind a go.

[Barrymores Ghost]

101. Wow, what lovely bromides you offer.

If only you were to swallow them yourself.

[jenmito]

71. You should really know I DID watch it. And I agreed with him and I "get it."

Your explanation of why Muslims shouldn't be insulted misses the mark. But Jon Stewart got it right. But you can't seem to understand that.

[JuniperLea]

72. Clearly you didn't pay attention to Stewart at all!

Or you don't understand the difference between Muslims and Muslim extremists!

[jenmito]

77. Clearly you didn't pay attention to what I said at all!

I DO understand the difference between Muslims and Muslim extremists. As does Jon Stewart. But YOU don't understand my position on this subject. But go ahead and keep thinking you're superior to me and everyone else whom you don't agree with.

[JuniperLea]

78. LOL!!!

Whatever. That makes no sense, but whatever.

[jenmito]

79. Get off your high horse.

:hi:

[JuniperLea]

80. You insult instead of offering a sound thought...

I win. Thanks for playing.

[jenmito]

81. You: "LOL!!! Whatever. That makes no sense, but whatever."

That was YOUR response to my thoughtful reply. I win. Thank YOU for playing.

[JuniperLea]

82. Neener neener to you too...

But you really should go back and watch Stewart again... really.

[helderheid]

87. !

:wow:

neener neener?

[JuniperLea]

93. Your posts have gone all school yard...

I figured "neener neener" was next.

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[helderheid]

61. Me thinks you give them waaaay too much credit.

[JuniperLea]

64. Methinks you just don't understand satire...

Have you seen this? Stewart gets it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3628914&mesg_id=3628914

[helderheid]

66. We're just going to have to disagree on this. I guess I'm just a dumbass.

[sakura]

90. No, you're not that.

Not at all.

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[babylonsister]

16. Just ran across this, and no one's missing the point.

This whole article is good, titled, The Obama Cover: What's The Point?

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002917956&parm1=5&cpage=2

snip//

Muslims are another group with a good reason to be offended. The imagery reinforces a negative stereotype that has consequences that far exceed any personal complaint the Obamas might have.

It is bad enough that the Muslim community has to endure an Internet and cable news broadside in which it is alleged, or politely but insincerely asked whether Obama is or once was a Muslim. Jerry Seinfeld’s immortal phrase sums up their complaint as efficiently as is possible: “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

The Muslim community, of course, is not the intended object of contempt. They are treated as mere collateral damage, and that is what makes it so offensive to them. The consequences for this segment of the American population seem to be given no thought whatsoever. The message is that they just don’t matter, and that they won’t matter to the magazine’s audience either.

[helderheid]

18. Thanks SO much for that!

[JuniperLea]

22. I disagree

It doesn't reinforce the stereotype, it points to the stupidity of the stereotype... and to BushCo's constant demand that we all be afraid of brown people, regardless of their religion. There is not one group of dark-skinned people that BushCo hasn't screwed over in the past seven years.

[babylonsister]

23. Even though you disagree doesn't mean Muslims can't be insulted,

regardless of how insulting this admin has been to them and everyone else.

[JuniperLea]

25. Those who aren't paying attention, sure

Much like the railing against fundamentalist radical extremist Christians might offend Christians, but you'll not see much sympathy here on DU for those who are confused on that issue.

[babylonsister]

27. Well, I'm really grateful I met an expert who can let me know how

to feel and think about this. Heaven forbid anyone might have a different opinion because according to you, we wouldn't be paying attention.

Do me a favor; listen to yourself.

[JuniperLea]

31. Do me a favor and think about it without closing your mind and resorting to insulting...

Someone you either don't understand or don't choose to understand. I'm not forcing anything down your throat. I'm merely exercising my fucking free speech here. Your attempt at insults is telling. Try listening to yourself, and try opening your mind just a little. You are falling into the same trap as people who don't get the difference between radical Christians and the rest of that group.

[babylonsister]

32. There you go again, telling me what I'm doing and not doing.

If you think that was insulting, I do apologize.

And my mind is fine, thank you. I'm not the one trying to change opinions, you are. I'm also not the one insulting people for not thinking the way you do. Take a look at this thread and figure it out.

Goodbye.

[JuniperLea]

37. I was merely parroting you

If you think I'm trying to change your mind or convince you of something, perhaps you should read again. You did indeed insult, or attempted to. Perspective is everything. From mine, you are the one trying to convince, while I'm merely pointing out another POV.

[Spazito]

107. Wow, I see your communication skills are at work here!

"I happen to be a communications professional"

I can see, in your posts, how those skills can influence people in a positive way! Wow!


:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

108. You can lead a horse to water...

But you can't up their reading comprehension... or their IQ.

[EstimatedProphet]

38. They can be insulted all they want. That doesn't make it valid.

If the intent is directed at someone else, then by being insulted they are wasting their time.

[JuniperLea]

39. Exactly... it only makes them look stupid, asaic

Much like the guy who was insulted by his superior saying his department has a black hole... what a dumbass.

[EFerrari]

56. It's so bizarre to direct criticism at TNY when they are on your side.

TNY is one of the few outlets that has consistently called this shit out -- with Vanity Fair and at times, the Atlantic Monthly.

What a waste of a friend.

[EstimatedProphet]

92. No kidding!

[EFerrari]

46. The imagery does not re-inforce negative stereotypes

but challenges and ridicules them. If these stereotypes didn't matter, they wouldn't be on the cover.

What a stupid, wrongheaded argument.

Geezus.

eta: I mean cq's argument. Really, sometimes I feel like I woke up and the whole media establishment has turned into Sean Hannity. :(

[JuniperLea]

50. Well said...

I can't understand why people don't get this! Is it just easier and more fun to be outraged than it is to get a clue? Are there really that many clueless lemmings who just jump on the next outrage wagon that comes down the pike?

Just when you think things couldn't possibly get more stupid... ugh!

[EstimatedProphet]

36. And that also would have weakened the point

[JuniperLea]

40. It would have dumbed the whole damn thing down, that's for sure

Quite frankly I'm starting to get offended at all the people getting offended for stupid shit when there is so many more drastic things happening in the world that could use the attention.

[Skittles]

99. Obama did not miss the point

understanding the intention of the 'toon and still thinking it SUCKS are NOT mutually exclusive

[Indenturedebtor]

11. Good for him for speaking out against this bigotry. I'm sick of people saying Muslim = Evil n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. Well, I guess he would know, being a Musl... hey, wait a minute!

[helderheid]

13. LOL!

[redcatcherb412]

45. probably not too far off target

Wonderful Muslims ?.

[thewiseguy]

19. I think he is right about that

There is nothing wrong about being a muslim and I can see why some muslims could be offended by it.

[WinkyDink]

21. But...but....it's SATIRE! How STUPID is he?!

[JuniperLea]

24. He's reinforcing knee jerk obsession with being offended

How many Christians are offended daily by the barrage of hate spewed against the religious right?

Part of the satire is that people are stupid for being afraid of Muslims. And BushCo feeds this everyday by not making the distinction between regular garden variety Muslims and Muslim radical extremists. There's a huge difference. Same goes for Christians... there are radical extremist Christians who should be feared every bit as much as radical extremist Muslims.

[thewiseguy]

26. Part of satire is that people are stupid for being afraid of muslims

wow you are just stretching it arent you?

[JuniperLea]

30. That isn't a stretch at all!

People are stupid for being afraid of Muslims. Clearly you don't get the difference between fundamentalist radical extremist Muslims and the rest of the Muslims in the world. Do you also confuse fundamentalist radical extremist Christians with the rest of the Christians in the world?

You fully illustrate my point.

[EFerrari]

52. Not at all. And Obama just threw away an opportunity

to deflate all of that.
.
Stretch? My god, it's a CARTOON showing militants and Muslims in the Oval Office.

What would make it more obvious to you? A balloon that says "Death to America"?

[Cha]

35. Obama is smart enough to be our Democratic Nominee

and he's going to be the President of the United States.

And you're taking fucking pot shots on an internet board ..so who's the stupid one?

[JuniperLea]

41. To parrot you...

You don't get it... who is the stupid one?

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[JuniperLea]

49. You call names, I win the debate... eom

[helderheid]

86. Wow. How...mature.

:sarcasm:

[JuniperLea]

105. I guess the mods agreed with me...

They deleted the post in question.

When you attempt an insult, it's probably wise to check the thread thoroughly. I'd feel really foolish right now had I made that comment.

http://www.iqtest.com/

[SOS]

33. OT - another Blitt cartoon from the New Yorker

Two Muslim women (in burqas) with one saying to the other "My God, I look exactly like my mother!"
Frankly, I'm not sophisticated enough to know if it's insulting or not.

http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=L06P4VRXUA468MB7TGK6WMKVP2Q60DC4&sitetype=1&did=4&sid=123763&pid=&keyword=blitt+mother§ion=all&title=undefined&whichpage=1&sortBy=popular

[slackmaster]

34. I don't believe that is the best way for Obama to play it

But that is between him and his campaign managers.

[Imagevision]

43. Jon Stewart last night said the same thing, Obama must have noticed?

[JuniperLea]

51. Are you sure? Were you watching the same episode the rest of us were?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3628914

[saracat]

47. Really. From the Campaign that asked women wearing headscarf's

step out of a photo op, this is a bit hypocritical.. I know Barack apologized for the "incident' but still it seems to be regarded as a "slur" by the Campaign to be affiliated with Islam and I do not understand it.

[EFerrari]

55. Obama plays it safe. What a surprise and what a mistake. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

57. Thanks again, David

Hope you feel at least slightly stupid.

[rucky]

70. Sad we need to be reminded that "Muslim" is not an insult.

But Obama was smart to be proactive and take that angle.

[FredfromSpace]

73. Another humorless response

We live in such wonderful times....

[SoCalDem]

76. The implication is that Obama's a Muslim

and for Obama to be a Muslim is bad (according to the right wingers), so the satire of him being portrayed as a Muslim (bad) does insult Muslims..

That's what's really behind all the nonsense from the right wingers.. play Obama as a secret-Muslim..with two winning results:

1) he denies it, and they say "what's so bad about being a muslim, Barack :evilgrin:..?
2) he ignores it, and they say.. see, he MUST be a secret Muslim

[JoFerret]

83. More total nonsense. n/t

[detectivecastro]

84. The cartoon was unjustifiable

Depicting Obama as a radical muslim and Michelle as some sort of terrorist were disgusting tactics used to attrack readership and buzz.

[NYC_SKP]

89. I almost forgot that you're no longer with us, detective.

You disrupted poorly...

[BlooInBloo]

88. And white folks say brown folks are oversensitive and too stupid to get the intent....

Another day passes.

[JuniperLea]

106. Hmmm... just curious...

How do you know what color a person's skin is by their posting on the InterTubes? I don't recall there being any "race" section to fill out in our profiles.

[Barrymores Ghost]

111. Given that you're flying a Celtic cross as your avatar...

...I'm gonna guess that you're Anglo-Saxon by descent.

That's half the equation solved, ain't it?

The rest of the answer lies within the content and context of the posts that have been made. Maybe you should try paying better attention, as I've said in previous posts.

While waiting for this miraculous change in your behavior, I'm fairly sure I could get a good measure of laundry done, as well as a few long-postponed home renovation projects.

[goodgd_yall]

112. I don't think the New Yorker did any such thing

But I do think it shows bias against Muslims when someone needs to defend himself from being called a Muslim. I hope Obama makes the point more often that there's nothing wrong with being a Muslim and I wish someone would say that they wish for the day a candidate can be a Muslim without being suspected of anti-Americanism, or worse, terrorism.

[last_texas_dem]

113. I disagree

One can lampoon RW idiocy w/o agreeing with such sentiments in the least. That cover insults Muslim-Americans as much as Randy Newman's "Short People" insults little people.