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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:12 PM
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Score another for Tweety...
He's ripping Buchanan on the McLiar's "war winner" quote and iraq in general...
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:14 PM
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1. Unfortunately tomorrow he will be pushing some BS meme against Obama
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:14 PM
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2. Sorry, he's still in the negative with me. He's a sexist shit. nt
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:15 PM
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3. He was GREAT! I was clapping out loud. McCain's position in the opposite of Eisenhower!
And I loved his last slam of Buchanan's weak argument.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:16 PM
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4. Tweety should recite my sig line everyday just before his "really
big show". It might keep him on an even keel, although I don't think there is much hope of that happening regardless of what is happening in the real world.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:30 PM
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6. you're forgetting the "our" in Lindbergh's "way of life" worth preserving were white christians
I'm admittedly a little shocked to see him quoted here.

He may have been anti-war but not in the same way I am.

I'm not a big fan of Lucky Lindy.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:33 PM
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7. Ooooh.... order me up a new sig.... not a great student of
anything, least of all history... thanks for pointing that out for me.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:02 PM
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10. His popularity in this country dropped considerably
After 12/7/41. He was the biggest voice of appeasement with Hitler and the Japanese.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:14 PM
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12. look him up
Wiki has a fair assessment of his politics during WWII

a few quotes:

Lindbergh argued America did not have any business attacking Germany and believed in upholding the Monroe Doctrine, which his interventionist rivals felt was outdated. According to Lindbergh historian Scott A Berg, Lindbergh said before World War II:

“the potentially gigantic power of America, guided by uninformed and impractical idealism, might crusade into Europe to destroy Hitler without realizing that Hitler’s destruction would lay Europe open to the rape, loot and barbarism of Soviet Russia’s forces, causing possibly the fatal wounding of western civilization.”

his efforts were praised in Nazi Germany and included quotations such as "Racial strength is vital; politics, a luxury." They included pictures of him and other America Firsters using the stiff-armed Bellamy salute (a hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy to accompany his Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States); the photos were taken from an angle not showing the American flag, so to observers it was indistinguishable from the Hitler salute.<58>

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt disliked Lindbergh's outspoken opposition to intervention and Roosevelt's policies such as the Lend-Lease Act. FDR said to Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau in May 1940, "if I should die tomorrow, I want you to know this, I am absolutely convinced Lindbergh is a Nazi."

Lindbergh's reaction to Kristallnacht was entrusted to his diary: "I do not understand these riots on the part of the Germans," he wrote. "It seems so contrary to their sense of order and intelligence. They have undoubtedly had a difficult 'Jewish problem,' but why is it necessary to handle it so unreasonably?"

In his diaries, he wrote: “We must limit to a reasonable amount the Jewish influence… Whenever the Jewish percentage of total population becomes too high, a reaction seems to invariably occur. It is too bad because a few Jews of the right type are, I believe, an asset to any country.”

Lindbergh's anti-Communism resonated deeply with many Americans while eugenics and Nordicism enjoyed social acceptance,<54> with enthusiasts such as Theodore Roosevelt,<61> Winston Churchill<62> and George S. Patton.<63>

However, Lindbergh considered Hitler a fanatic and avowed a belief in American democracy.<64> However, he clearly stated elsewhere that he believed the survival of the white race was more important than the survival of democracy in Europe: "Our bond with Europe is one of race and not of political ideology," he declared.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh

He's seen more sympathetically by history because of his flights and the kidnapping but he said some intemperate things during WWII.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:59 PM
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9. Thank God that man was never President
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Eyes_wide_ open Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:49 PM
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13. mmm ... but even our enemies
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 11:51 PM by Eyes_wide_ open
and/or the unrelentingly stupid sometimes speak truth if only by accident ...

"I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them" - the shrub :eyes:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:18 PM
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5. I know that he goes back and forth between sanity & rw insanity
...but I absolutely love him when he's like he was today. He was loaded for bear and didn't suffer any fools. The show was great. :thumbsup:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:34 PM
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8. LOL, They Just Totally Destroyed McCain on his Czechoslovakia references exposing him
as not the Foreign Policy expert people make him out to be.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:32 PM
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11. BIG time error from Buchanan on the show...
Buchanan tried to compare McCain to Abraham Lincoln;

Marc Green said Lincoln had no military service.
"Wrong!" says Buchanan, "What about the Black Hawk WAr?"

No one said a word, not even history wonk Matthews.

But Buchanan was wrong.

The Black HAwk War in Illinois was a statewide attempt
to put down those uppity Indians in Illinois who were
furious that they were being driven from the territory
and were, well, uprising!

The state governor requested civilian aid; Lincoln volunteered
to oversee a 'command' of civilian volunteers, a group of
rough and tumble prairie settlers. He volunteered for 2 more
'tours of duty.' Each 'tour' was one month; Lincoln served as
'captain' of these undeducated woodmen... for a total of 60 days.

They saw no battle, nor any uppity Indians; the only hardship
was hunger. Lincoln was mustered out with the others, he was 23.

Big time military service; and of course, According to Buchanan,
this compares with McCain. Big difference? Lincoln was no warmonger.
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