HILLARY as vp. what it means for Obama

[dempartisan23]

i think its a very bad sign if obama picks hillary. it means obama thinks he is losing against mccain and hillary is his last chance. another problem. if hillary thinks obama is going to lose she wont accept the vp position and she will wait till 2012 to run again.

[BklynChick]

1. He won't be picking her so don't worry!

[dempartisan23]

3. thats not what im saying

im saying if he does pick her it means obama's polls show him losing in november

[Zhade]

54. Indeed, Obama's not going to hand mcLame ammo in the form of the Tuzla video...

...and clinton's endorsement of mcLame over Obama.

The former easily proves clinton's a liar, the latter (already being used in mcLame campaign ads) undercuts the ticket.

It would be a foolish move on Obama's part to select her.

[w4rma]

2. There are better choices that actually raise Obama's polling strength.

Also, she won't be running in 2012, because she blew her shot this year. It's over for her, the Senate is as high as she will ever go.

[dempartisan23]

4. i disagree

as long as obama was ahead in the polls he could pick almost anyone. if he sinks further he has no choice but to pick hillary. i think you are wrong about 2012 as well. if obama loses in a climate where anyone should be able to beat mccain hillary will be running around saying, "i told you so" in secret and democrats will give her the nomination in 2012

i really dont understand why obama isnt ahead by 20+ right now.

[newfie11]

5. I totally agree with you.

[dempartisan23]

16. thanks

[John Q. Citizen]

7. Is that because you believe Hillary is strong with independents and disaffected Repos?

What presidential campaign do you remember where anybody at any time was ahead by 20%?

I think you are dreaming, myself.

[dempartisan23]

18. she will be a desperation pick

not a strong pick, and if she thinks obama is going to lose she will say no.

[Motown_Johnny]

10. Polls this far out can't possibly be accurate. Most people are not paying attention closely

[musicblind]

29. I don't understand why he isn't ahead 20+ points right now either

I didn't understand why Kerry wasn't ahead 20+ points in the final results in November. It's like America is full of retarted 3 year olds or something????

[dempartisan23]

35. that was 4 years ago

now the economy has tanked and we are sick of the war.

[Beacool]

27. I disagree.

There are many options open for Hillary, and yes, that includes running for president again if she chooses to do so.

[w4rma]

28. No, she burnt her bridges in this primary campaign. (nt)

[Beacool]

32. That's just too funny to even warrant a serious answer.

:rofl:

[Radical Activist]

36. True. Many Democrats lost all respect for her and/or hate her now

after the way she acted. In Illinois especially, she couldn't get elected state dog catcher right now.

[w4rma]

60. Exactly. (nt)

[NYC_SKP]

51. "Shit her britches?"

On my honor, first glance at your subject link made me think "shit her britches" and I spit up my iced tea.

I thought you'd want to know.

:rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

6. Polls schmolls... Obama hasn't caved yet, he's not going to cave on this.

He's got to balance what will help him win with what will make for the strongest presidency.

She's worthless with respect to the latter, and questionable with respect to the former consideration.

:hi:

BTW, FISA wasn't a cave, every DU member who does their homework has explained as much.

[JoFerret]

26. An even better example

of deadenderism.

[LWolf]

8. Worse: picking Hagel. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. Hillary would be much worse.

[LWolf]

14. No she wouldn't.

I'm 48 years old. I have never once, in my lifetime, voted for a presidential ticket with a republican on it.

I'm not going to start now.

I appalled with the nomination of the right-centrist Obama, who, while he's way too republican friendly for my pruposes, still has some redeeming qualities.

If he veers so wildly to the right that he actually puts one on the ticket, mine is not the only vote he'll lose.

[emilyg]

15. Agree.

[quakerboy]

52. Thank you

No R's on the ticket. If he wants to bring someone in for a specialist position (eg secretary of silly hats) and mr Akubra F Sombrero happens to be exelent on hat issues, but is a republican, thats one thing. As the potential next POTUS, that is quite a different story. A D who we quietly agree with on 5 out of 10 things is far better than an R who loudly agrees with us on 1 out of ten.

[LWolf]

53. Exactly. n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

9. Janet Napolitano will be on CNN in a few minutes... she would be a MUCH better choice than Hillary

[Labors of Hercules]

24. Either Napolitano or Sebelius would be MUCH better choices than Hillary.

What the hell is it with people saying Hillary should be VP because she came in 2nd in the primary?

I just don't get it.

(edit to add: I don't even think Hillary WANTS the VP spot anyway...)

[anonymous171]

11. The Press would be happy though. Maybe they would stop trying to destroy Obama.

[Peregrine Took]

13. Can any of these other dweebs like Bayh, Hagel, McCaskill bring 12,000,000

votes with them?

[adoraz]

20. those are not the people we want...

For the most part, we want people like Biden, Clark, or Richardson. Not them.

[JoFerret]

46. Really - your excessive

deadenderism is clouding your judgment.

[Zhade]

55. Yes, because 99% of those alleged 18 million aren't petulant idiots.

They'll suck it up and vote against mcLame, if not for Obama.

A few dozen online whiners aren't going to sink the nominee.

[mtnsnake]

17. Please send this to Obama's campaign manager

so everyone in the Obama camp can get a good laugh.

[adoraz]

19. a good laugh...

about even the thought of putting her on the ticket? :evilgrin:

[JoFerret]

23. Classic example of deadenderism

Thanks.

[dempartisan23]

25. i doubt any of them are laughing now

bush is the most unpopular president ever, the economy is tanking, we have an unpopular war and obama still cant put the election away. he is being defined negatively by mccain.

[Zhade]

56. Are we forgetting both the media and electoral fraud?

NT!

[scarletwoman]

21. Your concern is duly noted. (nt)

[Imagevision]

22. Billo took care of Hillary's shot at the VP. spot...who the fu*k would want him around?

[Beacool]

30. Well, try Obama for one..........

He needs both Clintons campaigning for him.

:shrug:

[Imagevision]

33. Obama didn't forget to mention the contribute to Hillary bit by accident, Obama

doesn't need the Clintons anymore. Barack asking his supporters to contribute to millionaires Hillary Clinton past debt may cost him some financial support.

[NYC_SKP]

38. Agreed, not an accident.

He's too damn smart to plain forget, it was calculated and I applaud him.

I see their relationship as having to be one of two extreme possibilities: either they respect and support each other, or they do the minimum to get by.

The Clintons clearly are not out front showing support, Hillary doing her very least-just enough to avoid criticism.

And Obama is responding in kind, as well he should.

[Beacool]

40. Please, there's only one person whose support he absolutely needs: Hillary Clinton.

Every other politician, other than Bill, could arguably be expendable during the GE, but not Hillary.

[JoFerret]

47. If that is the case

- which I doubt - he has appalling bad manners and a self-defeating attitude driven by mean-spiritedness.
Hey - he could always join us on DU.

[mtnsnake]

49. WTF do all you incessant complainers want the Clintons to do? Jump thru hoops for him?

The Clintons clearly are not out front showing support, Hillary doing her very least-just enough to avoid criticism

Oh bullshit. If Hillary did anymore than she has already done for Obama since losing to him, you'd be whining that she was trying to steal the spotlight.

[NYC_SKP]

50. Yes, hoops, but just for Bill. Bill jumping through hoops. I'd pay to see that.

Hillary just needs to write and publish ONE kick ass article casting nasty on PUMA and the other groups pretending to represent her supporters.

Now, would that be so hard?

hmm?

[Beacool]

39. Obama doesn't need the Clintons anymore??????

Are you serious???? If Hillary decided tomorrow to stay away from Obama and not campaign with him anymore, or if Bill decides to ignore the nominee altogether, just wait and see how many of those who supported her won't bother to show up at the polls in November.

Thankfully, Obama is smarter than to get too cocky and ignore either Clinton.

[NYC_SKP]

42. I see that they are holding back at this time, maybe holding out...

...for debt relief and/or the VP slot or other position.

This is an observation, not a condemnation, and they are entitled to negotiate.

You're not suggesting that their support is overwhelming right now, are you?

[Beacool]

43. Nerves are still frayed by supporters on both sides.

I mean the big supporters, the ones who have donated thousands to both campaigns and helped to raise millions for their candidate. The deal was to basically switch top donors since they were maxed out and couldn't give any more money to their candidate. Hillary would introduce him to hers and Obama to his. It looked good on paper, but it didn't turn out too well in practice. His supporters only ponied up $100K (a mere pittance) and hers held back when they found out about it. Now, if both sides would get over the B.S., it would benefit everybody involved. She would get her debt paid off before the convention and he would get a potential windfall of close to $200M over the next few months.

BTW, a good portion of her debt has been reduced by her own supporters, it's not as if her supporters (big & small) expected Obama and his donors to pay off all of her debt. They did expect, though, to see a good faith effort and $100K is not it.

[NYC_SKP]

48. Like you, I hope both sides get over the bs... nt

[Beacool]

59. Well, we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. n/t

[NYC_SKP]

34. Whatever are the Clintons waiting for?

Is there support conditional?

:shrug:

[Beacool]

44. Of course, it's politics!!!

EVERYBODY'S support is conditional. Every politician wants something, more influence, better committee assignments, more power by backing the winning side, etc.

One hand always butters the other in politics.......

[musicblind]

31. I think he is going to win with or without Hillary. BUT

I think Hillary would certainly help.

[Imagevision]

37. What if Obama supporters say NO to paying down Hillary's 12 million+ debt and

they feel that contributing to Hillary is something they don't want to do, will Obama get screwed out of the $$$ in the long/short end?

[Beacool]

41. What if her top donors continue to not open their wallets for Obama?

It's politics: One hand butters the other........

[Zhade]

57. "Butters"? I think you're mixing your metaphors - unless you wash your bread.

NT!

[Beacool]

58. Oops, that is what I meant.

[Imagevision]

45. I Hope Obama doesn't lose $$$ support from large donors...