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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:27 AM
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So, what can done to prevent a stolen election?
As I understand it, it is not difficult to store a program on an electronic voting machine in a chip that lies dormant until November 4, 2008 or on the hard disk after the final release of the software installed. Furthermore, the illicit program can be designed so that it deletes itself after it does it's damage.

It is also nearly impossible to locate such a program if you do not have access to all the software source code as well as the design of each machine down the the specific chip design. All that would have to verified, including the possibility that you were provided with false design information. And, keep in mind, a paper record doesn't do a lot of good, especially if the machine records one vote and your record shows a different vote.

Now, imagine this: Polls shows Obama favored to win Missouri by a couple percent. All the software has to do is reduce the number of votes Obama got on each voting machine by a small number. It wouldn't even be noticeable. There is no way that an electronic voting machine can be trusted and if the administration is really as corrupt as we think, they will use whatever means are at their disposal to defeat Obama.

Is there a solution?
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:31 AM
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1. This nightmare has already happened in Florida...
Right now, there is no way to ensure a fair election....
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:34 AM
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2. Yes "they" have cheated and will continue to try but theses things help
1) Win by a large margin in some cases > 10 points .... very hard to flip that many votes.

2) Vote early or on paper where possible.

3) Let the county BOEs know you are watching them.

4) Volunteer for voter protection on election day.

5) Demand that voting can be verified and that voting machine companies can't hide their machine codes,
software, and hardware.

6) Do not let people take machines home or to the polls early.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:59 AM
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3. question for anyone who knows-
what did the opinion polls look like directly before the 2000 election in the USA as well as in Florida?
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tigersumtin Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:57 AM
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4. As a great patriot once said
"Give me paper trails, not vapor trails" Voter verified paper balots, nothing less....
The following document contains Andy's course notes for the class he gave at the CASE-Ohio "Teach-In" on May 7, 2005. This course basically contains the complete instructions for auditing an election conducted on a Diebold Optical Scan system, however Andy said that most of these instructions could also apply to ES & S or other vendors' equipment.
AUDITING YOUR ELECTION 101
by Andy Stephenson

What does that mean when I say "audit an election"? Well, an election audit looks at the election results to ensure that all proper procedures were followed, and that the votes were recorded correctly. In an audit, you can see if any votes are missing, or if any votes have been tampered with. While you're auditing, you will need to look at every document that the system produces, from the audit log, to the poll tapes, to the numerous reports that are generated during the election. It may sound like a difficult process to audit an election, but really it's quite simple. It comes down to following certain procedures, gathering the right materials, and taking good inventory of your records. It's a methodical and detail oriented task that takes some time and energy, but other than that, it's not that hard to manage. By the time you leave here today, you will have all the tools you need in order to audit your local election successfully.

Part One: Background information regarding electronic voting and terminology.

Electronic voting occurs in nearly every state to some degree. This might not be directly evident when you visit your polling site. Most ballots are counted electronically, whether the votes were cast on a touch screen computer or on paper ballots.

Election night procedure:

Once the polls have closed, paper ballots are collected and then counted with an optical scan machine. The optical scan machine then records all of the data onto a memory card. Absentee ballots are also recorded on separate memory cards. The memory cards are then delivered by hand to the central tabulator, or the data is uploaded remotely into the tabulator by modem. Then reports and vote totals are generated, and sent to the canvassing board. The canvassing board is a group of about 5-13 appointed members, who service the election. The canvassing board then certifies the results of the election, and makes them official.

Terminology:

There are a number of terms that I will be referring to in today's presentation regarding voting equipment, and voting reports. Here I'll give you a brief explanation of some of these terms.

Voting Equipment:

GEMS: Global Elections Management System. "GEMS is a state of the art election management software package that runs on Microsoft's Windows operating system." (let me editorialize a bit here...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

Unity Election System. This is the central tabulator software. ES&S product

The ES&S Model 100 is a precinct-based, voter-activated paper ballot counter and vote tabulator. Utilizing advanced Intelligent Mark Recognition (IMR) visible light scanning technology, the Model 100 is a proven mainstay for jurisdictions worldwide utilizing precinct-level
voting and tabulation.

The AccuVote-OS Tabulator: The tabulator is a multi-functional terminal that counts and tabulates the ballots at precincts on election day and communicates with the host computer at Election Central for accurate and timely jurisdiction-wide results.

Voting Reports:

Statement of votes cast (SOVC): It is a breakdown by precinct of the number of votes cast in each race in every election.

Audit Log: is equivalent to the "black box" on an aircraft. It contains everything that happens in the voting system, and tracks the times and dates of all activity that takes place within the GEMS server.

Modem Log: Records the dates and times that any external communications commenced with the server.

Windows Event Log: Shows if any changes or patches were made to Windows, which could affect the operations of voting software.

Poll Tape: A printout, similar to a cash register receipt. Zero tapes are printed before the election, showing zero votes on the machine, and at the end of the election, the tape is run again to show the results of each race in the election. Zero tape and poll tape is signed by elections workers after they are run.

Interim Report: A report printed each hour on the hour during election night, that shows the breakdown of votes cast in each precinct. These are usually timed and dated stamped automatically.
Printing of this report will create an entry in the audit log.

Part Two: Overview of the public records disclosure laws'

Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)/Public Records Request: State and Federal laws that you will use to obtain the documents you need for an audit.

Background info. on FOIA:

What to ask for in your public records request:
1.Zero tapes and poll tapes, date and time stamped, from the precinct you are auditing.
2.Statement of votes cast
3.Modem logs
4.Audit logs: from two weeks prior to the election, to two weeks after
5.Windows event log
6.Names of all poll workers
7."Key" log and names of everyone who had access to the central tabulator
8.Names of all pollworkers
9.Copies of all "trouble tickets": any recorded malfunctions, reported by pollworkers.
10.Copies of absentee totals and provisional totals
11.Copies of all e-mail and correspondence between elections office and hardware/software vendors, and their contractors.
12.Certification documents for the AccuVote and certification documents for the GEMS software being used in the county.
13.Lists of all precincts
14.Absentee and provisional reports. (Call Susan T. to get details)

Overview of public records disclosure laws, including Ohio statute.
Also, an example of public records request. And a review of the FOIA,
its guidelines and processes.

Part Three: Auditing the Election

Steps:

1. Inventory the materials obtained from your public records request/(FOIA). Look to see if anything is missing. Any missing materials are most likely your most important ones. Look at the audit logs for any gaps or lapses in time. Check poll tape totals against the statement of votes cast. Check the statement of votes cast against the interim reports. Check poll tapes against the interim reports. Regarding interim reports, they can be obtained through FOIA, but it is best to obtain one from the central tabulator on election night. That way it establishes a benchmark, and if any changes take place later in the process, you will have a document to compare to. Also,
look at the modem log to ensure that the modem was functioning properly on election night. Look at the trouble tickets to see what kind of problems were encountered on election night. Pay particular
attention to hardware issues such as modem errors, memory card failures, and transmission problems. Transmission and hardware failures will appear on the audit logs and modem logs.

Note any and all discrepancies.

2.Find errors, make a list of the problems that you found. Present this information to the candidate you are working for, and recommend further action. This action includes investigation of precincts where anomalies have been found, and a hand recount of the ballots from the
3.This is people intensive and you MUST organize groups now to train . You are going to need people in every precinct and at a minimum 5 people watching at central count on election night. Take binoculars. Pen Paper ASK questions don’t be afraid. Take note...ask the names of people working on the central count computer. Become a poll worker, go through the training so you will be able to teach others what the procedures are. in the event you need them, have lawyers ready to file injunctions and lawsuits. Find lawyers you can work with locally
that will work for costs only. They are out there.


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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:47 AM
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5. Missouri's Secretary of State is Robin Carnahan, a Democrat
I don't really see the problem.

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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:48 PM
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8. I don't know how Missouri's system is set up
But all it would take is for supervisors of elections in critical districts to be either crooked or careless.

Our supervisor of elections here is Ion Sancho, known nationwide for fighting for verifiable elections. But as shown in his tests with Bev Harris of Blackboxvoting, a hacked memory card can tilt an election without anyone actually running the machines or monitoring the elections knowing. But Mr. Sancho has advocated a paper trail and verifiable votes for many years before the 2000 elections were stolen. If he were not my supervisor of elections, I would be concerned about having my vote counted.

I do have a quibble with the steps for making sure an election is honest - the message above have the optical ballots counted at the end of the day. Here, the voters put their ballots through the scanner as soon as they are finished with it. The scanners are programmed to kick out ballots with over or under votes immediately so that the voter can correct the ballot. If the ballot is kicked out, the voter can get a new ballot and try again. This eliminates many of the "non-votes" that can plague electronic voting systems.

In the 2000 election, the neighboring county did not have their scanners programmed to kick out bad ballots - their rejected ballot percentage was one of the highest in the state with the same system we have here. I would not want to vote optical ballots without that immediately feedback on whether my ballot would be considered valid.
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tigersumtin Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:37 PM
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11. any time a system
can check itself at the time the ballot is cast and kick invalid ballots, is a step in the correct direction and needs to be implemented in all elections. of course if you have dirty supervisors then we are back to step one...
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:49 AM
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6. the only true defense is a Landslide victory.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:52 AM
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7. Educate 100k poll workers above the level of McCain's technical skills. We're doomed. n/t
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:51 PM
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9. Win or lose the vote fraud nutters will claim fraud.
They will be especially whiny if we lose.

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:30 PM
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10. Nothing can be done.
Sadly.
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