Clinton Saturday

[Hope And Change]

Clinton Saturday

Saturday, July 12th, 2008

She: Delivers remarks to the 80th Biennial American Federation of Teachers Convention in Chicago, Illinois.

He: Gives the keynote address at the National Governors’ Association conference in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Plus: Bill Clinton chides Bush, says the next president has to set a global example and make climate change a major issue of his administration in ABC News interview. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Vote2008/story?id=5358294&page=1">Watch it here.


http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/12/clinton-saturday/">Link

[styersc]

1. My what horrible people.

To think we elected him twice.

(Sarcasm)

[Beacool]

2. Nothing but crickets over here.

Of course, it was a positive thread on the Clintons.

That explains it........

:eyes:

[AllentownJake]

4. Sorry the thread wasn't on FISA

or Bernie Mac and this doesn't belong in Presidential it belongs in GD.

[Beacool]

6. OK, maybe it can be moved over there. n/t

[Hope And Change]

9. You are right Jake.My bad.Sorry.

[AllentownJake]

11. Sorry

After the two weeks on here...Hillary hasn't been getting unfair treatment and the only threads that get kicked are the ones dealing with FISA or some other outrage of the day.

[elkston]

7. Beacool, I know you like Hillary.

And even though I've been for Obama since the beginning, I've always liked the Clintons.

I didn't appreciate some of the things Bill said during the Primary, but to be honest, they were under a lot of stress and had never been in such a desperate situation before.

I say let bygones be bygones.

I hope you'll join me now in supporting Obama wholeheartedly.

[Beacool]

8. I just get tired of the Bill & Hillary bashing that still goes on this board.

Also, the arrogance (or maybe it's ignorance) of some who insist that Obama doesn't need either one of them. Don't these people realize that there are many who are watching and waiting to see how Obama treats Hillary and Bill before deciding if they are going to commit to him? Votes must be earned, it would be a mistake for a nominee to expect automatic support from all the people who supported his adversary.

Thanks for holding out your hand in friendship.

:hi:

[AllentownJake]

10. I wasn't trying to bash them when I said what I said above

The primaries are over and their activities are GD material is all I meant. I'm doing my part to reach out in the real world. I've bought buttons with both Hillary and Barack with the words Democratic Unity on them and I hand them out to former Hillary supporters who I know or come to Obama events.

Most of the bashing on here hasn't been of Hillary in the past 2 weeks and in general since the Unity event in NH. Most positive threads sink on here for some reason.

[Beacool]

12. I didn't mean you, I meant in general.

I also don't mean people opening threads necessarily, but there are plenty who still are quite snarky about them in their responses. For example, read the response below this one.

:eyes:

Peace........

[elkston]

13. Agree, but they weren't "adversaries". Just competitors.

Their final goals are the same. We just had to pick somebody who could best stand for US in those goals and beat the Repubs.

[Beacool]

22. OK, poor choice of words.

Maybe opponents would have been more appropriate.

:D

[Tutonic]

14. "How Obama treats Hillary and Bill."

What if Obama is the great imposter who publicly embraces the Clintons and eeks out revenge privately? We will never know by watching and waiting. What if Bill has privately told Obama that he thinks that he is the biggest abscess on the rear of the nation?" We will never know by watching and waiting. I think this constant media hype about the election, about the positions and relationships of these people and about the so called "treatment" that Obama showed toward's Hillary is all for show. I think that at the end of the day they're all politicians who will either get on the train or be ostracized by the entire party. Also votes must not be earned. If this was the case, I'd have demanded a place in the Obama cabinet.

[Zhade]

15. The problem is that your definition of bashing may not be bashing.

If I say "clinton lied about Tuzla", that's not bashing, it's a verified fact.

As for voters - if they're petulant enough to vote for mcLame because clinton didn't win, oh fucking well. A few dozen whiners aren't going to sink the nominee.

[Beacool]

16. You bring up the Tuzla incident constantly.

Obama has also fudged the truth on occasion and his FISA vote was far worse than Hillary's silly remarks on Bosnia. Silly, because it was so easy to prove them wrong. The woman is many things, but as she said so herself, dumb is not one of them. I honestly don't know why she embellished her story, but I don't think that it was an intentional attempt to deceive. Maybe stress and sleep deprivation were a factor after all. Goodness knows that both have made enough gaffes over the last months!!!

[Zhade]

18. Yes, I bring it up, because it's the perfect example of her rampant lying.

She repeated the lie at least four times, and at least once AFTER it had already been debunked by video AND eyewitness testimony.

That's not a mistake, it's a pattern of lying about nonexistent sniper fire. I find willful lies to be reprehensible, and I will not simply forget them because the truth is too uncomfortable for some.

As far as Obama - you can't prove it. You have no evidence, unlike the video that proves clinton's lie (and that's not even going into the government records that proved she lied about her active support for NAFTA, another lie she told).

[Beacool]

20. You keep calling Hillary a liar, but if I respond in kind then I would

be deemed as not being supportive of the nominee. Obama has also made gaffes, and yes they can be proven, but the primaries are over and I have no intention of rehashing the issue. So, let's just drop it. My point is that we are all dependent on each other, if all sides of the Democratic party are not united we will not win in November and to continue to insult one of the candidates is not exactly productive.

[Zhade]

23. You would be wrong, not just unsupportive.

"Gaffes" are not lies. I think we can agree on that much.

Bringing up the fact that she lied - and the Tuzla video proves that, even if you don't like it - is not insulting her.

I agree that we're dependent on each other, but not at the expense of the truth.

[Beacool]

25. I said gaffes to be polite. n/t

[Zhade]

26. And possibly because you acknowledged that you CAN'T prove he lied.

Because you have no evidence.

Thanks, that's all I wanted - honesty.

[Beacool]

27. Oh please, as I said before, let's just drop it..........

[Zhade]

32. Okay, fair enough.

Made my point anyway.

[saracat]

31. Actually Obama lied about single payer health care during the debates and he also lied about a bill ...

"voted for" he said about juveniles not being tried as adults. There is video and a record to prove the untruths of both of those statements. He did not vote for the bill about juvenile offenders in the Illinois Senate and He told the AFLCIO is a speech that he had always supported single payer health care and he said he had NEVER supported single payer in the debates. He also "fudged the truth when he said the Civil rights March In Selma "brought his parents together and made his birth possible though the March was in 1965 and he was born in 1961. There is enough of this stuff to go around.


So can we stop with double standards and ridiculous statements? Obama is the presumptive nominee and his cause is not well served by those who would attack his primary opponent while she is campaigning for him.

[Zhade]

33. Uh, yeah, as soon as you have actual evidence that's damning like the Tuzla video, let me know.

Stop lying about the nominee.

[saracat]

35. Lying? Jesus don't you pay attention to anything? I don't know how to post video but there is video

of his making the single payer statement to the AFLCIO and video of his denying making it during the Debates.There is also video of his making the statement to John Edwards during one of the last Debates about his juvenile vote .It was in regard to his "present" votes. If you look at the Illinois record, it is clear Obama did not vote on that bill. And as for the Selma incident that is very well documented. They are just as "damning" as the Tuzla video, unless of course you think the Selma Civil Rights March was before 1961 or that Obama wasn't born in 1961 or some other variant.

The point is, neither politician is a saint. And Obama has his own way of getting elected. You don't have to make him into something he is not in order to vote for him.

Politicians fudge the "truth" and obfuscate.Obama is no different than any other politician.

[Beacool]

36. Thank you!

I was trying to avoid the whole thing. There are more, but the ones you mention will suffice for now.

[JoFerret]

19. And if I say

you are being a deadender it just my opinion OK?

[Zhade]

24. It's an odd opinion, considering deadenders are those who supported the LOSING candidate...

...and still cling to the ludicrous notion that Obama didn't win fair and square, when he did.

You're entitled to use the term, even though you're using it erroneously.

[JoFerret]

30. You have quite the wrong definition

going there.

The actual deadenders are those who keep up the hostility to Hillary in spite of Obama's victory.

Time to move along and get with the program of electing dems across the board in November.

[Zhade]

34. Pointing out the truth isn't hostility.

NT!

[merh]

21. constructive criticism of the clintons is viewed as bashing by some

then they bash Obama and whine "don't silence us, it's constructive criticism"

The legacy of Bill Clinton has it's good and bad - they only accept the good.

[Imagevision]

3. After Bill played so-oo many rounds of golf with poppy Bush this must be a diificult task for him

[Beacool]

5. Bill has been quite busy traveling for his foundation.

He had been in Rotterdam just a few days ago.

[MasonJar]

17. I love that picture of the Clintons. Thank you for sharing it.

[barack the house]

28. Well it was vaguely positive towards Obama we're getting there.

[totodeinhere]

29. Shouldn't this be posted in another forum?

Clinton is no longer a candidate. Obama is our nominee, not her.

(Edited for typo.)