Some of you get it, Some of you don't....

[nomaco-10]

From early on in the mccain campaign, they said they were going to depict him as the "Most Liberal Member of Congress Ever" and paint him as the next DUKAKIS and McGOVERN. That is their only strategy.

So, what does Obama do, it's genius! He goes out of his way to CONNECT with these repub jerks and indepents and he wins them! This is how we will win this cycle.

Don't lose faith. We are going to beat the repubs this year, but you MUST get behind all your democratic candidates at every lowest level, from the lowest level judge to your precinct level representative to your local state senator, to your congressman and on to your state senator.

Victory is ours, but we must participate at every single level.

[skooooo]

1. I think you're right, I also think that...

...the word "liberal" has lost a lot of it's status as being so offensive to many people. Bush's ineptitude and criminal activities have contributed to this. Additionally, the term "liberal" doesn't have the traditional baggage to people under 40.

[nomaco-10]

16. You're right, but the word "Liberal" still has a....

resounding unity call for most conservatives. It's their "code word" for 'murika hatin', 'gun abolishin', "gay lovin', "bunch of pinko commies" in their opinion. And, unfortunately, these are the demographics that rack up votes, term after term on their side.

I think Obama has had to compromised himself somewhat, but has also played it pretty smart by trying to reach out to these neanderthals.

I'm willing to compromise with him up to a point, just enough to take the victory. I get it, I may not like it, but I get it.

[DevonRex]

2. Yes. We must work hard to ensure a democratic WH and every

other possible seat.

[Imagevision]

3. Kiddin? Mccain couldn't beat Obama using Diebold!

[islandmkl]

4. i'll bet they take a strong shot at it, though....

[World Citizen]

17. McSame couldn't BUT...

he is not the brains or money of the campaign. It is soooooo dangerous to underestimate the RW corporate cabal. Haven't we seen what they are capable of?
Please do not get comfortable until Nov. 5.

[BOSSHOG]

5. Is your subject line

the latest tome of HOPE AND UNITY? Another Obama supporter in your face fuck you? Thanks for the lecture. I haven't voted for anyone but a democrat since 1980, have no plan to do otherwise. My money (paltry as it is) goes to democrats but I have no desire to be a cult member. I find it a chuckle how Obama's original supporters are doing their damndest to run off those who will push him over the top. I GUESS I JUST DON'T GET IT.

And please share with me is there any other FISA type "CONNECTIONS" to the right wing that are on the horizon?

[skooooo]

7. Jesus take a 'lude.

:wtf:

[DevonRex]

8. Wouldn't that create happiness, though? Some people prefer

to be unhappy. heh heh

[skooooo]

10. evidentally! nt

[JuniperLea]

24. My! It is true! Ignorance IS bliss!

Sorry, I'd rather be realistic than happy.

[LaurenG]

12. I heard that Americans are whiners - Phil Gramm said so

take your pick: McCain and his crew or Obama and his.

In the mean time get it out of your system because we're all on the same side. Oh and your sleazy "cult member" remarks are really getting old. :mad:

[BOSSHOG]

31. For the

10,000 time, I AM A DEMOCRAT and I will vote for every democrat on my ballot and I will continue to give a buck here and a buck there. I know what SIDE I'm on, the one that often gets told that I just don't fucking get it and by gawd for unity's sake you better straighten up mister and get with the unity program or else. Is that what I need to get out of my system?

[LaurenG]

33. I wasn't complaining about nor do I have any doubt that you

are a democrat.

I took offense to the comment about "cult" members. I don't have a beef with anyone who is angry over FISA. I wasn't happy either. My point really was we are all on the same side, I'm on your side, I want the same happy outcome that you do.

And I don't know what we can do to get it out of our collective systems, but maybe you can stop calling people names, because that's not fair. :shrug:



edit: typo

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. bar's open!

[nomaco-10]

18. You are evidently a disgruntled Obama supporter.....

and I'm sorry for your dilemma, but I just don't get it at this point.

He's our candidate, so get on board or join some faction group of hillary supporters that want to undermine Obama's campaign and try to lose us this election.

I'll never get the disunity for some at this late stage of the game. We've got a great candidate with a unifying agenda. Come on, join the rest of us and do your best to elect a great dem candidate!

[BOSSHOG]

30. Who says I'm not onboard?

I will vote for every (D) on my ballot, I will cough up a few bucks and have been doing so for quite awhile now. I was a General Clark supporter from 2003 right through this primary season and I have no desire to join another "faction." I do not have a dilemma. If you want to know why there is "disunity" ya might check out some of the hateful posts from Obama supporters that still trickle in here, like in your face FUCK YOU SOME OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT. NOW GET ON THE FUCKING BUS OR FUCKING LEAVE. UNITY? Obama ain't the issue, his knucklehead supporters here are.

[Maddy McCall]

19. Excellent post, BOSS.

:thumbsup:

[nomaco-10]

22. Of course you applaud any negative post for an Obama victory.....

SAD, gods, so sad.

[Name removed]

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[anonymous171]

6. Obama knows from the primaries that he can be vulnerable to the

"elitist, out-of-touch liberal" smear and has taken steps to avoid being recast as another Dukakis/McGovern during the generals. In order to avoid being recast as Dukakis' second coming he needs to make sure that he is: Strong on Crime, strong on terrorism (but not stupid like Bush), and in-sync with the average American's life. Oh, and he will never take your guns away, in fact he believes that the Constitution grants the individual right to bear arms.

[Growler]

9. It would be the kiss of death for a Black candidate...

to be perceived as "too" liberal. Unfortunately, the media gets to define what "too" liberal means.... so Obama has to be extra careful in order not to give them ammunition.

The media is dying to set-up Barack's fall. Let's not help them!!

[depakid]

11. You're falling into the same trap that has hobbled the Dems and lost elections every year

Have a read of George Lakoff and learn why that is:

The Mind and the Obama Magic

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/07/10162/

It's good stuff to keep in mind in areas outside of politics, too.

[JuniperLea]

20. Lakoff is a freaking genius...

"Politics looks different from the perspective of the cognitive and brain sciences. That is why I have written The Political Mind. Your arguments change when you start with how the brain and mind really work.

From the brain’s perspective, the pragmatic arguments and moral arguments converge: Don’t adopt right-wing positions for the sake of political expediency (that will backfire) or to demonstrate responsibility (that too will backfire). The best way to be expedient is to be authentic, stick to your core values, show and discuss responsibility, and thus garner trust. That is how to lead our nation, and to do so responsibly and toward fulfillment of its ideals."

This bears repeating, over, and over, and over again...


"The best way to be expedient is to be authentic, stick to your core values, show and discuss responsibility, and thus garner trust."

[World Citizen]

32. here is what I think Lakoff doesn't get

The fact that we are on the heels of the Bush reign of terror AND an african american is a candidate, makes this situation so unique that comparisons to previous elections is not very helpful. It is a whole different ballgame.

The bigots are going to come out in unprecedented droves to keep "one of their kind" from being president.

Whatever the RW cabal pretends the issues are, be sure that they know that RACE is their trump card.

[elocs]

13. If there is a way to pull defeat from the jaws of victory, Democrats will seek it out.

We Democrats are a sporting and a sympathetic bunch, so we want to make the election close and we do not want to make an old man like McCain feel bad. Of course, like the football receiver who always wants a penalty flag thrown when he misses a pass, if we lose a close election we will claim we was robbed.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Register, Register, Register people. It's easy - in TX - one

easy form - and the only requirement is that you have a drivers license and you vote.

[nomaco-10]

21. Thank You, Thank You! You get it. n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

25. Yes, well after all, it IS a status thing, so I'm glad you're happy to be cooler than the rest of us

This "you don't 'get it'" crap is loathesome. Some of us who've been around for awhile have seen the disillusionment set in when candidates suck up to the reactionaries, and we've seen the endless decades of promises that the young are going to come out and vote.

Mr. Obama has some sobering choices to make right now, and I hope he makes the right ones. They are, basically the same choice: to STOP CHANGING HIS POSITIONS CONSTANTLY. He's played both sides of the street throughout his career and sucked up to the right on numerous VERY important issues, but if he looks at Bill Clinton's career at all, he'll learn that the right HATES YOU ANYWAY. He's going to lose some support and not necessarily gain any in the process, and worse than anything else, it all runs against the grain of his principal contention: that he's a "new" kind of politician. Let's face it, he's anything but. Yes, he's infinitely better than any Republican, but doing things that run in direct opposition to his principal character attribute will be picked out and paraded with all the attendant ridicule and derision. He has to stop this.

There is a feeling of giddy subversion that he's "getting away with it", but not only does that disgust my sense of fairplay, it MAY NOT WORK. Besides all that, how do we know WHAT he's going to do, especially when he effectively says that he's lying for position. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, I won't REALLY let NAFTA stand intact. Yeah? Sez who? Him, of course. It's a faith based candidacy and we're simply supposed to trust him. People who treat me like a child and mollify me with admonishions to "trust" them always get my dander up, and I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. People have a sniffer for this kind of thing, and they don't like it. Maybe he's not playing "them" for suckers, maybe he's playing us.

More than anything else, I'm sick of the DEMANDS from his more fervent supporters that he's some kind of supergenius and everything he does is by definition golden. It isn't. Clinton was a stiff and it took him the entire season to marginally put her away, even with a major tailwind from the media. Big damned deal. He's NOT a good public speaker. I don't care how many people say so, he's NOT. In interviews he's great: warm, bright, engaging and gentle. In speeches he sounds like a crappy rendition of a churchified rabble-rouser trying to echo Martin Luther King, Jr. Everything's got a falling inflection and he end-stops things every 5 or so syllables with a stammering cadence that sets my teeth on edge.

Hubris and conciliation are our greatest enemies. I'm hardly a bolshevik, but I am a fairly left LIBERAL, and running to the center on credit card rate caps, FISA and such are unnecessary. Sure, he's right to suck up to the gun nuts and let them have their pathetic little manly crutches, but he's inconsistent on this and now he's turning hard right.

He needs to get elected, but caving in to the cave-dwellers on everything isn't a guarantee. Right or wrong, good or bad, it simply doesn't necessarily work.

Here's what YOU don't get: when running on a platform of "newness" and integrity, he can't continue to play the extremely old politics he's made a career of following: ducking controversy and being on both sides of important issues depending on the audience. The groundswell of enthusiasm from the unjaded is what he's attempting to tap, and there's no disillusionment like the disillusionment of youth.

"Get" that?

[nomaco-10]

26. Lost your way looking for a FISA thread? ....

There's several each day that I not only read, but take to heart seriously, each and everyone.

I'm not your enemy, friend, I'm the good guy, I'm one of you. We may disagree on principle, but we're the ones that actually stand in line at the polls and cast our votes to the same end purpose.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

27. True, but there's only one problem: Obama has *always* courted Republicans

He is NOT liberal and never was. He has always reached across the aisle to work with Republicans. This narrative about him moving to the center is a fallacy! Obama has always been a Centrist.

[Life Long Dem]

28. How long are Clinton supporters going to continue to cry over Clinton's loss?

Come-on guys, it's time to tell MSM and GOP who "We The People" are!

[nomaco-10]

29. You can't be addressing me....

I never supported hillary during the primary, BUT I would have voted for her if she had had been the GE candidate. I assure you a vote for hillary would be difficult, but none the less a vote cast, because last I looked, she's a dem and a damn sight better than the alternate, mccain.