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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 02:50 PM
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Josh Marshall:Time to attack Bush on "all of it"------I'm with him!!
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 03:04 PM by Gloria
Way before the Convention I remember seeing Tony Coelho on with Buchanan, talking about Kerry being a good "late closer." One of them said, that this year, however, Kerry might HAVE TO START EARLIER.

Well, Josh Marshall thinks the time is now. I agree. Put them in disarray before the Convention, during the Convention, and from then on. It's time to dismember this bunch of bastards. Literally. It's time to PILE IT ON (they've already brought it on, John).

Offense only, from now on!!!!


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/fast.php

SNIP (from start about Chicago Trib/Rood essay on VN)

As I said, I think the Kerry campaign is right to go aggressively on the attack against the president for running his campaign this way and seeking to profit politically from this garbage. But that's not enough. Kerry's surrogates have to go aggressively on the attack against the president on all his many points of vulnerability, which are legion -- his dishonesty about his own gap-ridden service in the Texas Air National Guard, his White House's on-going efforts to cover up the Plame leak, the endless record of deceptions tied to the Iraq invasion, all of it.

Counterattacking on the president's shameless behavior on the Swift Boat matter is necessary, but hardly sufficient. To be successful, Kerry and his team and his surrogates (you know, the folks he's on a first name basis with but doesn't know from Adam and can't control in any way) need to place the president on the defensive across the board.

SNIP

I said a few days ago that it was ridiculous to compare the ads run by Moveon to the Swift Boat ones. And it's true -- they're very soft soap in comparison. But that's a mistake. They should be hitting much harder.

The president has chosen the ground on which he wants to fight this campaign. And as per usual he's mobilized friends and family retainers to do the fighting for him. The president is playing tackle football, not touch or flag. If the Dems keep up with the latter they'll lose.

SNIP

My sense of Kerry is almost entirely defined by watching his 1996 race against Bill Weld up close. So I think he has it in him to fight. But now's when we find out.
-- Josh Marshall
(August 21, 2004 -- 12:45 AM EDT // link // print)

SNIP

It's the same cowardly rich-boy viciousness we've seen so many times from this guy and his family. But the Post piece gives some sobering signs about how effective it's been.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 03:08 PM
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1. Agreed.
"The president has chosen the ground on which he wants to fight this campaign. And as per usual he's mobilized friends and family retainers to do the fighting for him. The president is playing tackle football, not touch or flag. If the Dems keep up with the latter they'll lose."

But I think Kerry may be taking this advice already? :shrug:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 03:11 PM
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2. A "must see"
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/30/1510259&mode=thread&tid=25

A 27 yr.old Kerry makes points at 10:00 and 18-24:00 I'd be interested in discussing.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 03:29 PM
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3. I said the same thing. Knock him off balance going into the convention..
Last thing we need is for bush to get a pre-convention AND post-convention bounce. We'd never hear the end of it from the media.
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DeadHead67 Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 03:48 PM
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4. Went to the Josh Marshall link above :
Excellent!!! I recommend it for further links and flat-out good points to use on your reich-wing 'friends'.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 04:09 PM
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5. It Is Time, Ma'am
"Cry havoc, and let loose the dogs of War!"

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 04:21 PM
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6. I like your comment...
"It's time to dismember these bunch of bastards"...i'm onboard!!
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 04:28 PM
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7. Kerry definitely should pursue the AWOL thing! The only reason
the swift-boat-liars appeared was to make up false stories about Kerry in an attempt to obscure the real story which is Bush's lack of service in the National Guard.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 04:47 PM
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8. I was called a "nabob" for suggesting the same thing two days ago??
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 05:33 PM
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10. Certainly not by me!!!! Back in APRIL, I wrote this:
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 05:35 PM by Gloria
April 26, 2004

BuzzFlash Note: After Gloria sent this to us to post, Kerry released this list of questions about Bush's military records. Let's hope it's just the beginning and that Kerry starts asking these kinds of questions every time he's in front of a camera.

MEMO TO JOHN KERRY: START PROSECUTING, STOP PONTIFICATING!

By Gloria R. Lalumia



Where is the consistent fire in the belly that we saw in John Kerry during the primaries, when he was entirely focused on eliminating his rivals?



The question came to mind during the past week as the media focused on Kerry’s 1971 comments about the “atrocities” of his Vietnam experience. When Wes Clark addressed the controversy on Wolf Blitzer’s show (4/22), he portrayed Kerry as deserving “a lot of respect for having seen it at an early age and spoken out…He was a public–spirited person who lived and acted on his beliefs. Surely that’s what we’re looking for in a president of the United States. And compare him with our incumbent president, and what he did.”



Hearing Clark’s comments made me wish that Kerry could renew the spirit he had in 1971 and shed some of the Washington ossification that’s been on display in many of his speeches and pronouncements.



In contrast, Kerry can excel in one-on-one interview settings. And criticisms about Kerry’s lack of warmth don’t hold up if you watch him working a room following a meeting or rally. But, since most news clips are taken from large rallies, the usual Kerry appearance seems to be one long sonorous drone. With the media already painting the picture of a rich, aloof candidate and the Bush campaign ads working on the liberal, “not ready for prime time” branding of Kerry, how does he break through the media’s editing of his every utterance? But, more importantly, how does Kerry ratchet up his campaign and really click with voters? I’m not talking about staging “an event,” such as naming a VP nor “look ‘em in the eye” ads that a viewer will soon get tired of seeing. As for the word last week that Kerry plans to be “more combative”—hopefully, there won’t be a rerun of the “Bring it On” business, which would be just a rerun of the previous echo of Bush. It’s old stuff if there isn’t any substance to back up the challenge.



And it is especially critical for Kerry to actually challenge Bush on substance. But, instead, with “me, too” positions on Iraq and Sharon’s Gaza moves that are almost indistinguishable from those pushed by the Bush camp, sometimes I get the sense that we’re stuck back in the 2002 election cycle, with the same approach-- namely, giving away the key issues. The question is, why give away the Iraq war issue when it should be ours to for the taking, especially with Nader now chiming in on the subject with a vote-stealing alternative? Kerry is talking as if he’s still in the Senate and still getting taken by Bush’s declarations.



Only the Daily Show in recent days has given viewers night after night of delicious—and spot on—“reports” on the follies of Bush and Company, i.e., Condi Rice’s appearances and the actions revealed in Bob Woodward’s “Plan of Attack,” in addition to the review of events in the regular “Mess-o-potamia” segment. Meanwhile, not only has the Kerry campaign missed opportunities to nail Bush, it has continued to speak in the language of rapprochement.



Do we really want to hear our candidate in 2004 telling voters that “No matter who wins this presidential election, the terrorists will lose” (Friday, April 23, 2004 speech to the American Society of Newspaper Editors 2004 Convention, Washington, D.C.) while at the same time Bush and Cheney are informing the public that terrorists would win in a Kerry Presidency?



And there’s another disconcerting pattern emerging. On the same day Kerry was delivering his comments about terrorists losing “no matter who wins,” Wes Clark, introduced as Kerry’s “surrogate” by Chris Matthews on Hardball (4/23), declared that Bush has a “bad strategy,” the United States is losing the war on terror, and we’re creating many, many more terrorists in the region by our actions in Iraq. His analysis was impeccable, of course—but it one leaves wondering why the messages from the campaign and this high profile surrogate aren’t more consistent?



Clark also used simple and effective tactics in both the Hardball and Wolf Blitzer appearances that Kerry should add to his repertoire. For example, with Blitzer he turned the whole segment from Kerry’s Vietnam experience to the subject of Iraq and proceeded to open a Pandora’s box of questions that Bush needs to be asked:


And as I've been looking at the situation now, I keep asking myself what precisely is the military mission?
When we went into Bosnia with Dick Holbrooke, I helped write that agreement, Annex 1-A of the Dayton Peace Accords. We had a very specified list of tasks that the military had to perform. And we were very conscious of the fact that the military can't do everything.
We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We've looked for weapons of mass destruction. Well, what is it precisely we're trying to do with our armed forces in Iraq? And what is it we're going to ask them to do after the 30th of June?
We need to know what is the mission of the troops. Not the mission to get democracy. What do you expect the troops to do?



It was a masterful performance. But beyond that, it also pointed up the power of well-delivered questions.



Asking questions—a lot of questions—could be an effective way for Kerry to minimize his counterproductive statements while at the same time humanizing his senatorial presentation style…because by asking questions, Americans will become more engaged as they begin to expect some answers and hear their own thoughts turned into words on the national stage.



Mr. Kerry, I’m not asking you to change your personality. And if you can’t get back to the intensity of your post-Vietnam days, I can understand that. But you once were a prosecutor and a tough one at that. Perhaps you can channel some of that energy, because it’s time to get past the lectures and the tendency to give even an inch to Bush. If you can’t display a steady passion, how about being doggedly prosecutorial?



For example, instead of pontificating about “staying the course,” whatever that means, pick up on Clark’s question about what the heck the mission of our troops really is? Drill it into the media’s collective brain, over and over. The more you repeat it and the longer the silence from the Bush side, the more doubt about Bush takes root. More importantly, you will appear to be on the OFFENSE rather than constantly being put on the defensive by the Bush operatives and the media.



There are plenty of questions you can pepper into the voters’ consciousness. In fact, I think the public already has plenty of questions that they would love to see someone like you ask for them. Checking out our local papers, I see a whole slew of questions being asked in letters to the editors. For example, this week readers are asking:



“Quo vadis, Mr. Bush? Where are you headed and where are you trying to take our nation?”



“So Rep. Pearce (R-NM) doesn’t think Iraq is another Vietnam. Does he tell you what the plans are for this country to resolve the Iraq situation? No, he does not, because there aren’t any or he would be telling you so.”



“Is the world safer after the capture of Saddam?”



“If the war in Afghanistan was so important to get bin Laden and al-Qaeda, why did Bush take $700 million away from that war to prepare a war on Iraq?”



“Don’t you feel safer knowing that the country’s terrorist warning is “yellow” instead of “red” under the Homeland Security Administration?”



“What we have leading our country in Washington is a bunch of war hawks who have already turned our country’s national debt into the biggest debt ever in the history of our country. Even your grandchildren’s children will be paying it off. Is that the future of this country that you want to see?”



“If President Bush can make deals with OPEC nations to lower gas prices, why isn’t he doing it now, while Americans face record prices at the pump, instead of using that influence to manipulate the election?”





And, I’m sure you can come up with many questions for the Bush Administration about healthcare, the environment, pensions, jobs…the list goes on and on. Choose a couple and run with them. Give voice to the concerns of the people, and by doing so, humanize your campaign. If you get stumped, there’s a steady supply of worries that the public is writing about to editors across the country. And I’m sure Wes Clark has a few more questions he can contribute on the subject of terror, Iraq and Afghanistan that you, apparently, haven’t thought of yet.



And, finally, I have a question: Mr. Kerry, If you can’t or won’t prosecute Bush and his administration in terms of their motives and credibility, their policies and the connections leading to these policies, their actions and inactions in terms of our security and the pursuit of a stable world, then what kind of an election are we facing? I, for one, need to see the steady fire again, everyday, on every issue, from now until November.



Copyright 2004, Gloria R. Lalumia



And, now, the issue is Kerry! So, instead of protesting that it is diverting attention from Bush's follies, TURN IT AROUND ON BUSH, and prosecute BUSH'S character...for once and for all, demolish the little creep!!!
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 05:23 PM
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9. It is definitely time to take the gloves off!
I want to see Kerry, Edwards and their surrogates coming out swinging from now on. I really do think that the american public would like to see that too. The time to be sweet and nice is over.

As far as I'm concerned, this is WAR now.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 06:18 PM
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11. Kick for Josh Marshal!!!
I just saw a Nixon-Agnew TV ad on TVLAND!!!!!!!!!

EQUAL TIME FOR OUR SIDE, PLEASE! (I thought it was safe to watch Bonanza on TVLand, for god's sake!
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 06:54 PM
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12. I think playing that ad
probably helps our side.
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