If Kerry is the VP everyone must get "Going upriver".

[barack the house]

If there is anyone out there not seen it they must get it. Buy the DVD and pass it around to friends. Here is the trailer for those who haven't seen it...

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1856635161/

[Diamonique]

1. Please no. Not John Kerry. n/t

[barack the house]

2. It's only a rumor but I'm just preparing for every eventuality. n/t

[politicasista]

14. And just like the MSM does with Obama, people here

jump the gun with knee jerk responses like it's true or it happened. We have to stop falling for the media lies, rumors, and spin.

I agree with your OP though. :hi:

[wisteria]

Oh, please yes, a patriot and true and honest Obama defender.

You see, I feel just the opposite of you. What a wonderful ticket for America- finally.

You are quick to comment. This is just a rumor like all other rumors.

[JoFerret]

3. Kerry was the real deal in 2004

this time as VP? I doubt it.

[wisteria]

9. You are right- Kerry is the real deal- a true patriot. n/t

[JoFerret]

25. Patriotism

- last refuge of the coward. I leave that nonsense to the Bush Cheney crowd and the GOP. But Kerry is no coward.

[ShaneGR]

4. I like John Kerry, but he would be a terrible choice... because it doesn't represent change....

Just a rehash of 2004 and the same old arguments. With that said, I think if John Kerry was running against Bush this time around, it would be an absolute landslide of epic proportions.

[sandnsea]

5. John Kerry represents more change than Obama

It still amazes me that one of the most liberal Senators we have gets treated like shit on this site.

[politicasista]

7. Yep

Excellent post. :applause:

[Muttocracy]

16. indeed. nt

[wisteria]

18. He isn't the flavor of the week.

He is consistent in his support of our ideals, he tries to reach us with his posts and listens to our thoughts and rantings. He always has our backs and always considers our opinions.And, he is a true patriot. What more can we ask for in a Representative. I just can't figure out why some people are so fickle.

[Bluerthanblue]

20. yeah, maybe not amazes, but surely saddens me-

There isn't too much that amazes me anymore- :(
I admire, respect, and LIKE John Kerry, and would be more than happy to have him on the ticket-

peace~

[greguganus]

28. Agreed. n/t

[TheDonkey]

10. I'm a huge JK fan but I do not know if he'll help Obama on the ticket

could be more helpful behind the scenes. If Obama does pick JK I'll be estatic if he can be VP, but I just worry he doesn't help lock up that victory.

[sandnsea]

15. I agree with that

If Obama thinks he can win with JK, I'll just be beside myself. I just don't know that he'd be helpful with Obama's election strategy.

[politicasista]

17. I can see what you both are saying

I am wondering what his winning election strategy is. (Despite the MSM that he needs everything from geographical to experience in his VP). There are so many good people to choose from.

[wisteria]

19. Times have changed. Opinions aren't necessarily what they once were. n/t

[beachmom]

30. I still maintain it doesn't matter who Obama picks. He will outshine

whoever he picks, and what is more important is that he has a great Vice President, not a great "political strategy" vice president. Not since 1964, has the VP pick mattered.

[karynnj]

32. I'm not sure any VP can help lock up the victory

I agree with you that Kerry might be better behind the scenes - especially preparing Obama for the debates. Obama is a very quick study, but he doesn't have Kerry's wealth of knowledge on nearly every key issue. He also does not have Kerry's ability to "listen" to the debate and pounce on things he could. (I don't see Kerry as VP unless Obama tells him that he doesn't have anyone else who he is on the same page with him having the skills wanted who is vetted and wants it. Becoming a 5th term Senator and working for the country that way or becoming SoS - both seem better options. Kerry is 64 and even if Obama won 2 terms might be seen as too old at 72 (though he is far more fit at 64 than McCain (or almost anyone) was. The VP has no real function other than (almost ceremonially) breaking ties in the Senate - and in the line of succession.)

In some ways - though I have particpated in many many of these threads - they are kind of counterproductive. They cause some to list their idea of the weaknesses of each listed candidate. This will include the one Obama chooses - and he/she starts with that. In addition, for some people it leads them to get their heart set on one possibility or another. This becomes like a micro mini echo of the primaries - but where they are part of the process and needed for people to pick the nominee - this isn't, Obama will pick. Then we can discuss his choice.

[wisteria]

13. Senator Kerry is a progressive Senator- that is change in itself.

You may have a point, but others may be looking for balance and experience.

[w13rd0]

23. At what point...

...in the 2004 campaign was Kerry allowed to say anything at all? I don't think his campaign had the freedom and funds to respond to the unrelenting lies and negative bullshit, but the media never even permitted the democrats to say ANYTHING except in response to lies and bullshit.

Policy disputes? Issues? Didn't hear none of that...

[JI7]

6. people should rent it whether or not Kerry will be VP

[Catch22Dem]

8. Bingo!

They should have seen it already. :D

[politicasista]

11. Nah. He too

boring, bla, bla, bla. :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:


I agree with you both. It's highly recommended VP or not.

[Bluerthanblue]

21. agreed! We own a copy, and just watched it again last week-

it is well worth watching.

:hi:

peace~

[highplainsdem]

24. Agreed!

[PresidentObama]

12. I have it, GREAT movie!

[spag68]

22. You people should get real

I supported J Kerry, and still do, however he is not going to be the VP.

[LittleClarkie]

26. I have it already

good stuff.

[blm]

27. That so many haven't seen it and still know little about Kerry's work on corruption, too,

speaks to how well the media has done in making stars out of scoundrels while muting the serious works of the few honest lawmakers this nation has seen in the last 3 decades.

[beachmom]

29. I LOVE that movie. What is best about it is that it is a great film, even

after Kerry lost the election. It was not a film just to plug him in 2004. It is history. Also, great music.

[karynnj]

31. (VP aside - he's running for seante in MA) If you have teen or college kids,

this is a great film to get them to really see what the 1960s and early 1970s were like. Those like me, who were young adults then, should see it do - it will bring back a lot that you will find that you forgot.

It does a great job explaining what the situation was in Vietnam with some interesting footage. But it is the antiwar movement that is the most interesting. It shows how radical things had become. (It was interesting for me as a then college student to see how scary we looked to adult eyes.) You also hear Muller (still the head of Vietnam Veterans of America) speak of how angry the veterans were.

Kerry's role was absolutely amazing - he managed to focus all the very angry veterans into making a peaceful statement in a few days in DC. Kerry fought to exclude celebrities and anti-war radicals - that it was veterans and peaceful is what led to Senators, Congressmen and their staff joining them in solidarity on the mall. They were heard. (Compare this to the A.N.S.W.E.R rallies where a politician would risk being next to signs for causes they would be intensely embarrassed by.) On the Nixon tapes, they are heard to say that other antiwar activists scare Americans - so they didn't scare the Nixon people. In Kerry, they and the American people saw an intelligence, articulate and eloquent, clean cut war hero - he was able to get the country to hear him out and he scared the Nixon people, not Americans.

Bob Kerrey says one thing that made me think of how absurd one long time Republican smear was. Kerrey spoke of how impressive it was that someone wanting a career in politics would lead an anti-war movement - that you really can only do one or the other. Kerrey was right - Kerry succeeded at both because he is extraordinary.

[demo dutch]

33. Kerry would not be good choice, especially since we'll need the Independent vote

[rox63]

34. I still have my copy from 2004

I haven't watched it in forever. Maybe I'll dig it out later this week.