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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 12:55 PM
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Barack Obama is a far worse flip-flopper than John McCain
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/28/shorter-bonnie-erbe/

provided you ignore all of John McCain’s egregious flip-flops.

In perhaps one of the most shameful displays of John McCain Media Worship, Bonnie Erbe takes to the pages of US News & World Report today to decry that Barack Obama, not John McCain, has been more flexible on the issues. That’s a pretty easy thing to do when you claim John McCain has only flip-flopped on offshore drilling.

Seeing that the entire US News research team must have called out sick today, here is a freebie from your friends at C&L, Bonnie:

1. Bush tax cuts.

2. Jerry Falwell and the religious right

3. Offshore drilling

4. Public financing - Opting in, then out, then in again

5. Windfall profits tax on oil companies

6. Bush’s concept of inherent authority

7. Privatizing social security

8. Estate tax

etc. etc.

What a sloppy and shoddy piece of “journalism” from someone who claims to have been covering politics since “God was a baby” — or since John McCain was a teenager.

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXRlG_6Bk-8
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:05 PM
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1. Why do you think that "Barack Obama is a far worse flip-flopper than John McCain"?
In fact, the body of your post refutes your subject line pretty well. So color me confused.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:07 PM
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3. The OP is sarcastic.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:09 PM
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5. You mean he's just kidding!
Sorry I didn't get the joke. The OP has been alerted. I encourage others to do the same.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:19 PM
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12. Why the hell would you alert it?
It's a link to a crooks and liars piece highlighting McCain's flip-flops. If you just read the post you will see that.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:21 PM
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15. I alerted on the subject line
I don't give a shit what the redeeming qualities of the post or links are with a subject line like that
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 02:00 PM
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25. The point of the subject line is to get your attention
And the OP talks about all of McCain's flip-flops. Jeez are you really that fragile?
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:37 PM
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33. really that lazy it looks like...
doesn't even bother to read past the title = lazyass moron.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 02:33 PM
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29. Waaamulance! Call the Waaambulance!
Did you read the OP?

They call it shoddy journalism. Nothing to alert on. It was clear that the OP was calling out the original piece of crap journalism. :eyes:
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Analitico Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:58 PM
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34. At first I thought it was an anti-Obama thread, but it isn't
He was being sarcastic, as can be realized by reading the content.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:21 PM
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16. Me thinks you missed "provided you ignore all of John McCain’s egregious flip-flops."
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:07 PM
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2. You are being sarcastic, right?
Hmmm - you may want to change your Subject Line.
It sounds like you are attacking Obama.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:08 PM
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4. I think he meant that as an attention grabber. Worked, didn't it? :)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:09 PM
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6. We'll see.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:13 PM
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7. not my title - click the link...
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:16 PM
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9. How about putting quotes around it?
Just an idea.

I almost alerted on this thread.

:shrug:
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:18 PM
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11. It sure the fuck is your title
You copied and pasted it. You typed it. It's yours.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:20 PM
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13. I see GD:P is just as fucking nasty as ever...
even when you agree with the people in here

:banghead:
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:22 PM
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17. I do not agree with your subject line
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:27 PM
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18. Oh stop with your frigging worrying. Alert on some other shit that dserves it more than this
Good gawd, if someone started a thread that Hillary was a bigger flip flopper than McCain it would have 101 recs by now.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:58 PM
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23. Did you just say "Hillary was a bigger flip flopper"??? OMG
Just to make an example for those who don't read an entire post and are quick on the "alert" trigger...

Read an entire post, look for clues, some are clearly sarcasm without a clue in the post title...

Context.

And you're right about the number of recs, IMO.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:28 PM
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19. This is not difficult...
The subject line says: Barack Obama is a far worse flip-flopper than John McCain

You click on the thread and the first line is: provided you ignore all of John McCain’s egregious flip-flops.

Then I go on to list McCains flip flops

Get it?
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 02:36 PM
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30. They are slow today...
My sarcastic part of the internets tubes is working fine - it came through loud and clear. They will now alert on me because I said they are slow today. Waaaambulance!
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:23 PM
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31. OK, On the GD:P page, the Topic of this thread is ONLY the first part of a sentence....
And, unfortunately one of the things that I DON'T like about DU are these attention-grabbing Topic partial sentences that at first glance appear to be true. To me, as bad a yellow journalism and teeters on the brink of flamebait, imho. AND, it creates a tempest in a teapot, much as has happened here.

So, what happens? Ppl see the partial sentence topic and in their excitement/anger/whatever rush of emotion, they miss the rest of the sentence "....if you believe John McCain." (or something like that - trying to do from memory here)

And, it's on!

What a waste of everyone's time! I wish DU would put a stop to this type of posting - it serves no useful purpose, IMHO.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:15 PM
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8. don't forget immigration reform
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:18 PM
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10. There's a lot more than that...
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html
The past couple of weeks have been especially difficult when it comes to McCain flip-flops.

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

Wait, I’m not done with the last two weeks yet….

* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

* McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

And these come after these other reversals from April and May:

* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

And these are the flip-flops I’ve noticed earlier:

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

* McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.

* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.

* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

* McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:21 PM
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14. sweet jesus
This is why the flip flop charge on Obama won't stick..lol.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:34 PM
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20. Yeah, it would be a pretty bad idea for McSame/Pukes to try an engage on this...
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 02:16 PM
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27. Well done. I am bookmarking for future reference.
Thanks. :)
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:30 PM
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32. Hallelujah I have crossed into the Promised Land! FINALLY--posts criticizing the Repukes instead of
BHO or HRC!

:applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:



:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:18 PM
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36. and I still got alerted - Isn't GD:P great?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:38 PM
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21. sometimes it helps to read the text... for those requiring a sarcasm icon... lay off that iowa water
no text
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:44 PM
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22. Hey DU: don't just read the subject line before you post!
For example, the first line of text gives you everything you need to know about this subject line:
"provided you ignore all of John McCain’s egregious flip-flops."
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:59 PM
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24. Thank U.S News' editor/mogul Likudnik Mort Zuckerman for this biased crap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortimer_Zuckerman

Jewish causes

Zuckerman is also an active supporter of Israeli and international Jewish causes. Between 2001 and 2003, Zuckerman was the chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. Typically, the nominating committee attempts to choose a person who is both respected and uncontroversial. However, Zuckerman was widely opposed by liberal Jewish factions.<9><10> Nonetheless, Zuckerman was eventually elected and served a full term.

In their 2006 paper The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, John Mearsheimer, political science professor at the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, academic dean of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, named Zuckerman as a member of the media wing of the "Israeli lobby" in the United States.<13> Zuckerman replied: "I would just say this: The allegations of this disproportionate influence of the Jewish community reminds me of the 92-year-old man sued in a paternity suit. He said he was so proud, he pleaded guilty."<13>

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 02:14 PM
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26. Thanks lame54.
K&R I get it. Too bad some people can't read.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 02:19 PM
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28. I get it--the headline is just a come-one that is refuted by the text.
Just like the posters who throw "Late Breaking" into their headline when it is not. This use of an inflammatory headline to get people worked up enough to check the text in an attempt to be clever is way overdone here. Overdone and unoriginal.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:44 AM
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37. self delete
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:47 AM by lame54
forgot to check who was signed on me or hubby will repost in my name.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:52 AM
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38. The headline was crooks 'n' liars and part of their story.
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:53 AM by unapatriciated
That is what the guy who alerted couldn't understand. Lame chose not to change their headline.
This board seems to have lost their sense of humor down the same rabbit hole the dropped their critical thinking in.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 05:01 PM
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35. I was ready to kill you before I read the content of your post.
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