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zaj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:22 PM
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A caller to Ed Schultz said Kerry is following the model he always used...
It seems reasonable actually.

The caller claimed to have worked on 4 different Kerry-Senate campaigns, and every time the allegations and attacks start to surface Kerry lets them fester for a time until most of the potential voters have become aware of the issue.

Then he comes out firing and tries to make as big a splash as possible so that his rebuttle gets spread as widely as the lies. The idea seemed to be that if you make your "big" rebutal too early, the story can continue to grow and your rebutal can go unnoticed.

He said that this has been Kerry's M.O. for years.

Just thought I would share, to help those who might be stressing about how Kerry sits back too much.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:23 PM
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1. Thanks..that's good to know.
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obnoxiousdrunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:25 PM
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2. I did hear
that. He also said there is going to be only one deabate in which Kerry tears Bush apart. Other debates will be cancelled due to Terrar warnings.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:28 PM
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3. He is lying low before the repub convention.
Which is wise. The repubs will have the spotlight for a week, let them harp on old attacks, let them feel like their issues are winning. Once Bush and Kerry are on equal money footing, the real race can begin.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:37 PM
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4. it will never be equal.....bush is using all the tax payer money to
campaign with...he is using the plane like it is a little vw bug ....instead of a gas hog.....
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:18 PM
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8. Taxpayer money ?
You mean there's some left ?
I thought Halliburton had it all ...

:evilgrin:
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:50 PM
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12. Using Air Force One is standard for Presidents in election years
I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's an advantage all sitting Presidents have and I'm sure the Kerry campaign has factored that in.

All we have to do is get out there and contribute to our favorite 527s. I'm pretty sure Mary Beth and company have it under control.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:54 PM
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5. thanks for posting this, it's very interesting
Sometimes I forget the Kerry has a good amount of campaign experience and actually has a plan and knows what he's doing.

A lot of my impatience is due to the fact that sometimes it feels like many Democrats don't fight hard enough. It's a knee jerk reaction to want a politician to swing hard and fast when constantly being attacked (especially when the attacks are as bad as the ones from the swiftboat liars).




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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:59 PM
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6. Rope a Dope!
:)
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:13 PM
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7. Ed Shultz has been after Kerry to hammer back all along
After hammering the Kerry campaign over and over for not getting as ugly as the repukes, Ed constantly congratulates the righties for a doing a good job smearing JFKerry.

:wtf:
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:19 PM
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9. Hmm, I haven't heard that.
Edited on Thu Aug-19-04 04:20 PM by Myrina
... I listen to him every day ... alot of righties call in, and then ED lets loose on them.


:shrug:
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:21 PM
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10. It's the thrilla in Manilla
and John Kerry is Ali.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:44 PM
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11. I much prefer the Fight Of The Century as an analogy.
Joe Frazier (the blue collar man's champion) was relentless, answering Ali's taunts with punches, stalking him all over the ring battering, battering, battering. When Ali landed a good blow, Frazier would smile a bloody smile as if to say, "Good one." Then he'd bang his gloves together and go back to the work of winning the fight. After 15 rounds, Ali was worn down from the punishment and Frazier put him on the canvas with his patented left hook -- the first time in Ali's career he was knocked down, as I recall. Ali got back up and finished the fight, but it was over. Frazier and his indomitable will to win had defeated the bigger, faster, brash, taunting Ali.

The Republicans are better funded, have a whole stable of media whores playing head games with the electorate and the Kerry campaign, and have the advantage of incumbency. The Democrats have a fierce desire to right the wrongs of 2000, and to get this country on track -- just as Frazier had a burning desire to put Ali in his place for Ali's racial taunts. Frazier was the "blue collar" champion, a sharecropper's kid who rose to fame and fortune through his hard work, drive, and discipline. There isn't a better representative of what the Democratic Party stands for than Joe Frazier.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:51 PM
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13. That works too
The rumble in the jungle also works. This is where Ali's rope a dope strategy occurred - I don't believe it happened in Manilla - I was wrong in my above post.

If you get a chance rent When We Were Kings. It's the documentary about this fight and it is excellent. At the time everyone thought Foreman was unbeatable. He was a huge, muscular, menacing presence at the time. He was not the smiling face we know today. And he had an incredible punch and a reputation to fear. And Ali tricked him. Ali used his mind, and he won.
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zaj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 05:57 PM
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14. What a great analogy! I hope its accurate and comes true...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:48 PM
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15. The trouble is that this isn't Masschusetts
Edited on Thu Aug-19-04 06:48 PM by depakote_kid
and this isn't the only thing Kerry has to deal with.

He's facing the combined might of an unrestrained right wing media and the Republican smear machine. They have been and will continue to hit him with all sorts of false accusations and distortions- and unless he counter attacks soon and makes Bush the issue, he'll be walking down the same sorry path as Michael Dukakis- whose campaign at least at this point, he seems determined to mimic....

Why his people don't get this is totally beyond me. My guess is that they are so insular and ingrained with the Democratic establishment that they are unable to see that a change in their okans is necessary.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:58 PM
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16. I hope it works again
on the national scale. Running for president is obviously a lot different than running for state office, particularly a state like Massachusetts.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:59 PM
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17. Vellllly Intelllestink.
Thanks for sharin' ;)
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