HRC Bundler: Obama's selection of Solis Doyle is Biggest F U I've ever seen in Politics

[mod mom]

Update: Jason Horowitz over at the New York Observer reports the following: "A former bundler to Hillary Clinton just called in to tell me that Barack Obama's selection of Patti Solis Doyle as chief of staff to the campaign's eventual vice presidential nominee is the "biggest fuck you I have ever seen in politics."



"Either one of two things happen," said the bundler. "Hillary is selected as vice president and they fire Patti, or Hillary is not going to be the vice president."

Later Update: A source with knowledge (though not direct) of Sollis Doyle and Clinton's relationship writes in to dispute the idea that they haven't spoken since her firing. Though, he adds, the move by Obama seems likely to shut the door on the idea of Clinton as VP.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/16/obama-hires-solis-doyle-a_n_107395.html

[Faygo Kid]

1. "Hillary is not going to be the vice president." Has a nice ring to it.

I think the Obama campaign may not have the fondest memories of the campaign she waged.

[K Gardner]

14. No fond memories? Ya don't say ! (I'm personally still undergoing deprogramming for stress-

related illness from it)

[chimpymustgo]

30. Sure makes Obama look petty. Solis-Doyle was clearly incompetent. This doesn't smell good.

[Median Democrat]

35. If so, why did Hillary Stick With Her? Blind loyalty?

I don't understand this. She was a longtime aide to Hillary Clinton. How is this an F U?

[gulfcoastliberal]

38. Excuse me, I'd say Penn was clearly incompetent and Solis-Doyle was the scapegoat for it.

Lets be honest - Mark Penn was the incompetent blow it, not Patty Solis-Doyle.

[JVS]

61. I'm surprised that a campaign that made so much of sexism would scapegoat a woman for a man's...

incompetence.

[mod mom]

63. Funny how that works-isn't it? Who was the power base? My guess Penn way over Solis Doyle.

[hokies4ever]

49. She's well-connected and has relevant experience

It's not like she's Obama's campaign manager right now. She's joining a fabulous team that will expand upon her strengths.

[my3boyz]

53. I read that she is long-time friends with Axelrod. nt

[cstanleytech]

2. Might shut it on VP but what about

a supreme court slot? She does have the basic qualifications, right?

[mod mom]

4. I read she failed the bar in DC-isn't that a requirement?

On the June 1 edition of NBC News' Today, Carl Bernstein suggested that he, in his upcoming book A Woman in Charge: The Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton (Alfred A. Knopf), is the first to disclose that Hillary Clinton failed the D.C. bar exam in the 1970s. Co-host Matt Lauer asked whether Bernstein believed it was "love" or "strategy" that caused Clinton to "move to Arkansas with Bill." In response, Bernstein stated, "They love each other. They always have," later adding: "But at the same time, this is a person who failed her bar exam, another great secret that she kept for 30 years ... in Washington D.C., where she wanted to make a life, and her friends were flabbergasted at this."

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http://mediamatters.org/items/200706010006

[cstanleytech]

8. Interesting, I did not know she failed it, whats the average failure rate for the bar?

Anyway, you gotta admit she probably would be a better choice than another alito, any more conservatives on the court and we will all be screwed.

[Genevieve]

11. Hillary failed the Bar exam twice. . nt

[MonkeyFunk]

10. No

technically, there are no requirements to be a SC justice. you don't even need to be a lawyer.

[Beacool]

12. Oh please.............

Anyone knows that it's no big deal to not pass the bar exam the first time out. Many lawyers take it twice, and here in NY where the bar exam is quite hard, some take it even three times before they pass it. It has nothing to do with their eventual ability to become a great lawyer.

Hillary herself was the one who mentioned in her biography that when she didn't pass the DC bar the first time out she took it as a signal to follow her heart and head to Arkansas. She had been conflicted as to what to do. Her friends thought that she was crazy to do it but she loved Bill, even though it took him a couple of years to convince her to marry him.

[TBF]

17. I'm surprised she didn't take it in an easier state (PA?) and waive in like everyone else...

but it was a long time ago so maybe it was different then. NY and CA are known to be 2 of the hardest, but it's possible DC is difficult if you actually have to take the exam.

[Beacool]

34. I think that she didn't care whether she passed it ot not

because in her heart of hearts she had already decided to follow Bill to Arkansas. All her friends were appalled at the idea and she might have used the bar failure as an excuse. I remember reading that the friend who drove her south tried to dissuade her all the way there and then actually cried when they got there and saw the place.

I give Hillary credit for taking such a big gamble. They sure didn't make her feel welcome!!! She was too Yankee and too liberal for their taste.

[TBF]

44. Well I can certainly relate to those feelings as a displaced Yankee

in the heart of Texas. *sigh*

[americanstranger]

47. As I remember it, JFK Jr. had to take it a few times.

As long as you pass the last time you take it, you're good. :D

- as

[marimour]

5. she doesnt have the qualifications. She doesn't even practice law.

[Dhalgren]

72. There are no "qualifications" for SC.

All you need is a nomination...

[earthlover]

3. Funny, I just read on another blog that this might make it MORE likely for Hillary as VP

I think it should be remembered that there was a LOT of in-fighting in the Hillary campaign. Perhaps this in-fighting continues.

We will see....

[dailykoff]

6. Considering she's chief of staff of nobody,

he may have a point..

[VolcanoJen]

7. I thought Solis-Doyle and Clinton were friends for years?

Boy, when the Clintons slam the door on you, you'd better watch your fingers.

[dailykoff]

9. She went under the bus.

Like Eliot.

[Beacool]

15. Yes, they were.

One of Hillary's biggest mistakes was to put her in charge of her campaign, a task Patti was not up to. She could have gotten rid of her sooner, but she remained loyal to her until she couldn't do it anymore. Mark Penn was another big error.

[mod mom]

19. DUer EV Debs posted a link to this earlier:

"Later she went with David Wilhelm (Bill Clinton's campaign manager) from Chicago to Little Rock, where she became Hillary Rodham Clinton's assistant."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Solis_Doyle

David Wilhelm now lives in Columbus( Bexley) OH and is a strong Obama supporter. Maybe the suggestion came from him.

[slinkerwink]

13. Actually, Hillary Clinton issued a statement and praised Doyle-Solis

“Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we’re all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States," said spokesman Mo Elleithee.

[TexasObserver]

16. It would seem to the be the extreme, one or the other.

If Hillary is on good terms with Patti, it's a sign that Hillary might get the VP.

If Hillary is not on good terms with Patti, it's a sign that she is not getting the VP.

Either way, it sends a signal to Hillary.

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[TheDebbieDee]

20. To me, it confirms that Patti Solis-Doyle was the Obama MOLE

in the Clinton Campaign........

The purveyor of sabotage in the Clinton Campaign has been brought home to roost!

[mod mom]

21. Yeah, I bet it was Solis Doyle who suggested hiring Mark Penn and making divisive

comments to hurt Hillary's chances. I even bet it was Solis Doyle who suggested Hillary juice up the Bosnia story.. :eyes:

[TheDebbieDee]

23. .............

:eyes: We all know that campaigns would never sabotage or spy on each other. That would be unseemly! :eyes:

[mod mom]

28. Do you really think Hillary lost because of Solis Doyle? Really?

Do you think it was this "insider" that threw Hillary's chances? You're better off making the case that Mark Penn (who drained the campaign of $ and gave perhaps the worst advice in the hx of campaigns) was working with the Republicans to hurt Hillary.

This country is in the mood for change. The Clinton's, with their bigwig donors and corporate ties, failed to comprehend the populist movement that was afoot. Thanks to the internet people are better informed of just what a candidate represents, and now has the power (small donations) to make a difference.

[slinkerwink]

22. why would you post something like that?

[TheDebbieDee]

25. Because that's how I see it!

I'm not naive enough to believe that things like this don't go on in political campaigns. Pull your head out of the sand and open up your mind to the fact that someone may have a VERY GOOD reason to see things differently.

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[slinkerwink]

66. how would Doyle-Solis be an Obama mole when she's been with

Clinton for nearly twenty years? Hmm?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

73. You are *very* naive and very delusional. To blame Hillary's loss on any and everything

except for Hillary herself and how she mismanaged her campaign sends a bad message to women all across America. If you can't make it and can't cut it, use sexism as a cover for your bad judgment. It really is disgusting. If I made mistakes and blamed those mistakes on racism and sexism, it would not be tolerated. As a feminist, I would degrade everything that women have fought hard for. Hillary, her surrogates, and her Enablers are disingenuous for continuing to blame sexism and other things for Hillary's loss rather than Hillary herself. It's ridiculous.

[windbreeze]

24. are you serious??

not being snarky...I mean, are you really serious??...Obama must be smarter than I gave him credit for...to have a mole in her camp all along...wb

[TheDebbieDee]

32. Yes, I'm serious.......these things happen.

Chances are Patti Solis-Doyle wasn't the only Obama MOLE in the Clinton Campaign.

And chances are that Clinton had a MOLE or two in the Obama Campaign, too. Obviously, The Obama Moles in the Clinton Campaign did a better job.

Come on, people. Do you really think that everyone that volunteers or is hired to do work (Hirees don't have to pass n FBI background check, after all.) for a political campaign is really a supporter of that candidate?

[Shakespeare]

56. Do you think it sounds more OMINOUS when you type "mole" in ALL CAPS?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What a silly theory.

[Peacetrain]

70. Kindergarten maybe??.. since Solis Doyle was close

to the Clintons for 2 decades.. just think of it.. 20 years ago asa mid twenties type Obama who had been plotting for the presidency since kindergarten.. gets Solis Doyle to buddy up to the Clintons so he can hit the mole button 20 years later and sandbag her campaign.. The man is a genius I say.. genius!!!!

[TahitiNut]

26. "The purveyor of sabotage in the Clinton Campaign" was Hillary herself!

Get the FUCK over it!
:grr:

[mod mom]

31. No one forced those Bosnia lies from Hillary's mouth! Hillary did in herself.

[Beacool]

36. Oh yeah, because Obama never told some whoppers of his own.

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

46. You seem to still have a 'motes vs. logs' problem.

:eyes:

[Beacool]

48. Granted the Bosnia thing was damn stupid,

but Obama has a list of his own. Here's one: he claims that his parents met during the Selma march, problem is that he was already born when it took place.

[TahitiNut]

50. Newsflash: Parents lie to kids.

Not just Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy ... but romanticized ("revisionist") history.

The FACT is that Obama Sr. did come to the U.S. under a program that the Kennedy family supported a year later.

The FACT is that the Civil Rights Movement (which INCLUDED the Selma March) DID make intra-racial dating and marriages safer. I know. Obama's mother was merely 7 months older than me.


Again ... molehills vs. mountains. Relating a family LEGEND is a lot different from reporting ONE'S OWN EXPERIENCE and then dissing Sinbad for calling her on it - in a comedic way, of course.


But you already KNOW this! It's been pointed out a NAUSEATING number of times!
FAR less nauseating than the repeated VOMIT that portrays it as though it's anything close to the Boznia Sniper lie.

[Flying Dream Blues]

51. Exactly which "whoppers" are you referring to? nt

[TheDebbieDee]

33. I am over it! That's how political campaigns are run and why

some campaigns win and others lose - usually because one campaign manages to outmaneuver the other.

Obama is our nominee and he's a great leader but he's also a politician and that doesn't mean he hasn't surrounded himself with some of the smartest, brightest Democratic political campaigners.

[writes3000]

29. Desperate, ridiculous assertion. Solis-Doyle worked for Clinton for over 20 years.

Are we to assume that Obama put her up to this mission back in the mid 1980's?

[Name removed]

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[Mooney]

40. HA HA HA HA (etc)

That is fucking funny.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

45. Yes, Hillary's friend of 15+ years was an Obama plant.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Cali_Democrat]

58. That's hillarious

If true it only confirms Obama has run an excellent campaign.

Pure genius!! Hire a mole to screw up the Clinton campaign!

:rofl:

[dkf]

59. okay, that is a little far out, even for me.

[cali]

62. take off the tinfoil

that suggestion is not merely amazingly stupid, it's paranoid.

[slinkerwink]

64. do you realize that's what people are saying at that hate site No Quarter?

[TheDebbieDee]

71. Know, I didn't realize that. I don't read "No Quarter". Why don't you

tell us what they say at No Quarter, since you apparently spend so much time there!

[NatBurner]

68. good lord

i bet u really believe that too

[roguevalley]

75. that is not true. she has been friends with clinton before Obama

ran for any office. obama is taking talent from everywhere and if it shuts the door on Clinton, ok. Clinton is a dem, not the party. she wants to hold grudges, let her. its all sad.

[Rene]

27. Didn't Doyle sit around all day watch soap operas and not returning phone calls/ Perfect for thef

fool obama.

[Binka]

57. Perfect For Thef? Fool Obama?

I realize you are missing a few prongs on your fork but WTF does this post mean?

[Marie26]

37. Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I don't see why an FU to Clinton was worth saddling his campaign w/one of her most incompetent managers.

[gulfcoastliberal]

41. More incompetent than Mark Penn - or the scapegoat for his incompetence? nt

[Marie26]

43. It's a toss-up

Based on the leaks, they both were pretty much hated by the rest of the staff. But it's just rumors, so who knows.

[Duder]

42. Hillary Clinton's spokeswoman, Mo Elleithee, issued a short statement:

“Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we’re all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States."

[JI7]

54. the selection of Doyle probably has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton

it has to do with her being from same place as Obama in Chicago and Axelrod connection. that she was given the odd position of VP chief of staff even before vp is picked seems to say that they are being nice in hiring her but don't want her to have too much influence in overall campaign direction.

[NYC_SKP]

55. Brilliant move to end any speculation of HRC as VP, once and for all.

So that we can move the fuck on.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. My thoughts exactly. Let's move on from the Hillary saga - she's old news.

[dkf]

60. Goodness...and to think I thought Obama was being nice taking a Hillary loyalist into his camp.

Now I read that it was a huge FU.

I'm getting dizzy.

[JohnnyLib2]

65. Whew! We have a target for all the anger again!

:sarcasm:

[Medusa]

67. I think they'll do opposite of whatever she suggests.

If it's her idea, or she thinks something is a good idea, they'll do the exact opposite. It's what they did during primary season after all. :evilgrin:

[MilesColtrane]

69. IBTL

While it's interesting to speculate about Obama's motives in this hire, some are using the OP to revive party disunity.

I'd hoped that this kind of dreck would have been jettisoned along with GD/Primaries.

Let it go people.

[PoliticalAmazon]

74. I don't think choosing PSD was a good idea, but not because of anything...

to do with Hillary.

I just can't see the wisdom of bringing on a potential mole to the Obama campaign.