If Gore isn't asked, how many people here are ready & hopeful that Wes Clark is Obama's pick?

[Divine Discontent]

Count me in! He was my '04 pick, and since he didn't run this time, Edwards became a strong favorite with his biting reality based comments, focus on the poor, and extremely harsh words about the Iraq invasion and B*sh crimes. I find that of all the people who are available for the VP nominee, we really couldn't do better than to match up Obama with Clark (or if he's not willing, Jim Webb as a backup).

Wes will slam shut any lies they try to use about International Affairs and he also comes across compassionate for being a former general, who has not been in office and can further bolster Obama's change candidacy.

OBAMA/CLARK '08? HECK YEAH! I'd rather he ask Gore, as there are so many positive to gore, especially with him being only 60 this year, and maybe returning to the presideny in 8 years. For me, the 'rightness' of Gore getting back into the White House and pushing GREEN policies and changing this country would be so refreshing, but barring a miracle of him giving up his mantle of being a big spokesperson for change, outside of the political arena, then I believe Clark will make a strong pick.




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[kerry-is-my-prez]

1. Me - I was a Clinton supporter and was going to grudgingly vote - but will campaign if Clark is on.

I will be doing a complete 180 if Clark is on the ticket.

[roguevalley]

62. ME!ME!ME!MEMEMEMEMEMEMEE!

[Crunchy Frog]

2. I don't dare to hope for Clark this time.

(But would be absolutely ecstatic if he were actually picked.)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

13. I know - I was crushed the last time he was knocked out.

n/t

[greyl]

3. Me! nt

[Prophet 451]

4. Ready, yes; hopeful, no

No particular animus against Wes Clark, I just think others (i.e. Bill Richardson) would make a better choice.

That said, if picked, he'd make a fine VP.

[greenman3610]

5. I love Wes Clark, but he has a YouTube problem

his namesake son is all over the YouTube singing
a ditty dedicated to Republicans called
"Suck my ****, you know you wanna"

while I agree with the sentiment,
it would quickly become the only topic of discussion
for a month.

[KittyWampus]

10. OH man, I just checked YouTube and found out it's true. That is a damned shame

[FrenchieCat]

15. So what's wrong with Wes Jr. singing "Suck my D*ck, you know you wanna"?

Should this really affect the Veep vetting? cause to me, that would make the Obama/Clark ticket win by default! :rofl:

[KittyWampus]

16. As someone who is a fan of Wes Clark I have to wonder if you're stupid. To not think that won't

be an issue.

And there's another youtube of Wes Jr. ranting about pitbulls wherein he looks like a complete asshole.

[FrenchieCat]

17. You've been pretty much dissing me for the last few days.....

Not that I mind.....but it makes you look low rent.

[Divine Discontent]

28. 'Not that I mind..........but it makes you look low rent'

I am pretty sure you've never made me LOL, but you just did with that doozie! thank you, the way it was said and spaced - just priceless.

Sure, the son's lyrics about "big fat whore" and "suck my dick" certainly are eye openers but a lot of military guys are like that, and for his dad being in the military, I think it would actually add a few percentage points to the Obama side, where he's currently losing the majority of men to McSame. I'm not saying I approve of the language at ALL, but I think it'd be big news for a few days, Clark would talk it down wisely, and it'd be over.

If not Clark, Biden or Webb would be strong picks, Sebelius & Strickland are longshots but I believe certainly discussed for obvious reasons.

[gravity]

20. It will be an issue for a week

then poeople will forget about it, and start worrying about the issue of the economy and Iraq again.

[KittyWampus]

24. And then they bring up Wes Jr's rant on youtube about pitbulls.

[gravity]

26. So what?

These attacks by the republicans are pathetic these days. It is a comment by his son, and will be ignored soon enough because it isn't important. Clark will say he doesn't agree, and the press will move on the crazy McCain youtube clip.

We've gotten over this Reverend Wright scandal which is much worst.

[TwilightGardener]

40. It'll be an issue. Clark fails the vetting process due to embarrassing family behavior. Next?

[JI7]

32. how is it worse than the Republican Candidate calling his wife a cunt

JR wont be on the ticket for anything the way Mccain is.

[wmbrew0206]

45. Unfortunately , that beautiful moment between John and Cindy was not captured and put on YouTube

[BornBlue]

56. I fear that will give some Hillary supporters ground

on the Obama is sexist charge. I would love to see Wes Clark on the ticket, I think it would give Obama some much needed military strength.

If his son is out there degrading women in this fashion it could hurt him. It shouldn't be an issue, but it could be.

[question everything]

30. If Obama overcame the Osama 'confusion" and his middle name

anything is possible.

Clark was my first choice if Clinton won, and still is for Obama.

[wmbrew0206]

61. Clark's real problem is his departure from EUCOM and what Gen Shelton said about him.

Clark fails the vetting process right there.

[lordsummerisle]

6. It would be a great ticket n/t

[az chela]

7. Whoever BArack picks i will back them.I know Barack will

make the right choice

[Cleita]

8. Wes Clark will be needed in this administration.

I hope there aren't any weird rules that would prevent him from becoming the Secretary of Defense. Our military needs a major fixing from a real general.

[Rhiannon12866]

53. I've wondered that, too. I've long thought that Gen. Clark would be my first pick.

He's brilliant and he gets it. But there seems to be some weird thing that prevents experienced military from serving as Sec. of Defense...:shrug:

[napi21]

9. Gore won't do it. He already WAS a VP! I think Clark is too mild to do well in a campaign.

A lot of Obama's choice I think should depend on who McNut choses.

[AZBlue]

11. What will he say when he's asked why he endorsed Clinton and not Obama?

I am a huge Wes Clark fan - he was my pick in 04 and I still admire and respect him. He'd make a great VP.

But, this is a question that he will be asked if he's the VP - what will be his response?

[27inCali]

12. Gore/ Clark/ Biden/ Richardson/ Edwards/ Sebelius

any of these would be strong picks


Clark and Biden and totally duking it out for attack dog status.

Man have they been rippin McCain (Kerry too)

Obama by himself is so formidable, but ad all the awesome surrogates he has ready to go...

man o man.......

[TheDebbieDee]

23. Please, God, no! Not Sebellius! Or McCaskill either!

[miles 2 go]

36. Gore didn't take the presidency, He won't take the VP n/t

[saracat]

14. Does anyone think that Gore would even remotely consider such a thing? That would be ridiculous..

[rpannier]

21. I don't think he would

From VP to Pres Nominee to Nobel Prize -- then back to Veep.
That'd be a huge step down.
I don't see it happening.

[babylonsister]

18. No and no. nt

[mckara]

19. I've Always Liked Clark

Whoever Obama picks is fine with me.

We MUST win this election! :mad:

[silverojo]

22. I'd go for Clark as VP in a heartbeat

Though I'd be just as happy to see him as Secretary of Defense.

[gravity]

25. Clark would be the perfect candidate with Obama

Both men are great leaders who are smart, articulate, and not afraid to stand up for what they believe in.

[LynneSin]

27. I don't think Gore can be VP again

I could be wrong.

[Divine Discontent]

29. he can be, but I could see how he'd say no, but I'll advise you gladly if asked. eom

[Douglas Carpenter]

31. if Gore does not accept it or he is not asked, Clark is probably the most pragmatic choice

The V.P. slot will have to fulfill at least 3 out of 5 of the following criteria:

1. A Southerner or Westerner or South westerner or border stater

2. Someone with a strong foreign policy and national security C.V.

3. Someone who has particular appeal in rural areas, small towns, mid size cities and outer suburbs

4. Someone from a swing-state

5. Could possibly be a woman

Anyone who does not fulfill at least three of these five requirements is unlikely to be considered as a plausible V.P. candidate.

It seems as though Gen. Clark fills four out of five of these requirements.

I can think of two others; Gov. Richardson and Sen. Webb who might also fulfill most of these requirements. However, I would guess that political strategist would suspect that Gov. Richardson, being Hispanic might be too much to expect on a ticket led by an African-American. This might be considered by some strategist to be an obstacle that could contribute to a decrease in support from working class white voters. Sen. Webb meets four out of five of these requirements, however, he does have some baggage that is apt to draw negative publicity.

So, I would guess that the strongest possible V.P. nominee would probably be former Vice President Al Gore. But I tend to doubt that he would accept it even if he was offered it. Which I would guess leaves Gen. Clark the strongest candidate with the least baggage.

[lxlxlxl]

33. But...!

Do we really think that a VP is going to change anyone else other than our Media people's minds? Why shouldn't Wes Clark be Sec. of Defense or State? Is his strength really being a VP? I think he would be better off somewhere else. Same for Webb....I definitely sympathize with people concerned about Obama's VP, but Sen. Obama seems to be the type of person that can really "change the game" of how people think so poorly about tickets...A VP is simply someone who needs to lead when needed, and possibly be an attack dog for debates.

Ideally, we could wait to see who McCain chooses, that is the waiting game both sides are in now, a VP debate is important, and pairing the right person against the Republicans means a lot more than picking someone based on EC/GE strategy...

I've always had a beef with how the TV/Cable people harp on VP nominations. It's convenient for them, but totally ignores the bigger picture about a candidate and the cabinet he works with.

That's why we got Cheney anyways...

[loyalsister]

34. Clark would be a good choice

Right now women are lining up and trusting Obama to pick a running mate strong on women's issues both historically and by virtue of their political leanings.
Meaning they will have to have walked the walk- and consistently. Choosing a candidate who has shown themselves to participate in the kind of public displays of vulgar chauvinism that Webb or Biden have put on would not be good.
Stronger picks have include Clark, Edwards, Sebelius, or possibly another candidate with a good relationship with women's groups. I really think that Obama should not overlook that relationship.

[lukasahero]

39. Well said!

Great job of explaining what I've been feeling (especially about Webb) but have not been able to express.

[bowens43]

35. The last thing we need is a general in the civilian government.

The men spent adult life seeking military solutions for political problems. No thanks.

[lukasahero]

37. Definitely!

That's the ticket I've been hoping for all season.

(FTR - Gore will not be VP again. No way he'd do it even if asked. I believe it would actually be an insult to ask.)

[New Earth]

38. me!

[truebrit71]

41. Me. He is already out there attacking the fake "hero" bullshit attached to McSame...

...I'm sorry but crashing 5 planes and indiscrimantely murdering innocent women and children with your payload does not simply go away because you are also a POW...And it sure as shit doesn't automatically give you National Security cred...

[TexasObserver]

42. NOT

[wmbrew0206]

46. I agree. I think Clark's departure from EUCOM would be a huge issue

That and Gen Shelton's comments about him would be red meat for the rethugs.

[TexasObserver]

48. There's video of him praising Bush & Cheney in 2003, and then there's his grown son

The first thing a VP choice has to do is NOT detract from the candidate for president. If Clark is named the VP nominee, it will be a huge distraction for weeks, like Jeremiah Wright was. Too much to have to explain.

[wmbrew0206]

50. What do you think about Tony Zinni?

[TexasObserver]

52. Hes' a good guy, but I don't think anyone should be the nominee who hasn't won a major office.

If they haven't won at least a US senate seat or a Governor's office, I don't think they'll be right for the VP. The Joint Chiefs and Pentagon are full of generals, and there is always a place to use good generals. I don't think the VP spot is a good spot for someone who has never held elective office.

[jasmine621]

43. me

[PoliticalAmazon]

44. I wlll address this later. I have been doing more research on Clark...

and, believe me, he is NOT fit for OBama's administration.

In fact, I doubt very much that Obama would seriously consider Clark. His history is filthy with problems, and he would be a nightmare candidate for any party or president.

[wmbrew0206]

49. He would probably be good in an admin position but not as the VP

The Gen Shelton comment would be a very big issue to deal with.

[PoliticalAmazon]

51. IMO, he is not suitable for any position in the Obama administration. n/t

[wmbrew0206]

54. I'll be intersted to read what you have found.

[PoliticalAmazon]

55. I've criticized Clark before and am always met with the "but-he's-a-war-hero"...

bullshit, the same thing WE get from the McCain supporters. I've posted information before, and am met with "but he's a WAR HERO!" and "you hate him."

I don't hate him. He seems like a nice guy. He's certainly charming. But then, so is Bush Jr.

I learned very early on to separate myth from facts and what I want to believe from what is the truth.

Anyway, I'm going to sit down and write solid discussions about Clark, post them here and on my website.

I just don't have time now, but will try to get to it tonight or tomorrow.

[wmbrew0206]

57. I agree. I think that there are other candidates with better national security cred

I think Zinni or Biden bring everything that Clark would and they don't have the baggage Clark has.

[PoliticalAmazon]

59. Thank you. n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

47. He'd be an excellent pick!

Though I did wonder if he could support Obama, since the general was such a supporter of Hillary Clinton. But he would be a brilliant choice, and is a brilliant man, with the military experience which we sure could use. My other choice is Jim Webb. :-)

[Adelante]

65. He is supporting Obama

He endorsed Obama the day before Hillary did.

[Rhiannon12866]

66. Good news. Thanks!

:hi:

[Adelante]

67. You're very welcome

:hi:

[Pachamama]

58. My 1st choice - Gore; 2nd Choice - Edwards; I guess after that, I'd be ok w/ Clark;

:hi:

[tblue37]

60. Me, me, me!!! He was my '04 pick for pres, too. n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

63. Clark would be great and I would LOVE him on the ticket

However I really am a firm believer in letting the Presidential candidate pick the person he or she will serve with, so aside from doing my small little part through threads like this to signal to the Obama brain trust that there are activists out there who would cheer this choice and work their hearts out for this ticket, I leave it to Obama to make the choice that works best for him and wish him luck with that.

But I can hope. There still is a web of Clark supporter connections that criss cross the blogosphere. Clarkies, like Deanies, tended to stay in contact and remained organized. If Clark is on the ticket those networks will go into overdrive for Obama.

[samsingh]

64. me