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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:27 AM
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Hillary Clinton sees new push to pick her for vice president (N.Y. Daily News)
Source: New York Daily News

Hillary Clinton sees new push to pick her for vice president

BY RICHARD SISK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Monday, June 9th 2008, 4:00 AM

WASHINGTON - Potential running mates hit the talk shows
in waves Sunday to tout their bona fides and abilities to
help Barack Obama or John McCain woo disgruntled Hillary
Clinton supporters.

But Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Charles
Rangel (D-N.Y.) said the best vice presidential pick to
go after Clinton supporters was the real deal: Hillary
Clinton.

On ABC's "This Week," Feinstein, who arranged the peace
summit at her Washington home last week between Obama
and Clinton, said, "If you really want a winning ticket,
this is it."

"I think it is an absolutely unbeatable ticket and I think
it would be terrific for the country," Rangel said on CBS'
"Face the Nation."

-snip-

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/06/09/2008-06-09_hillary_clinton_sees_new_push_to_pick_he.html
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:29 AM
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1. I love ya Diane, but most of her supporters do not want her
on the ticket as VP. We prefer her back in the Senate where she can do lots of good work.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:35 AM
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3. and you know this - how? n/t
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 06:58 AM
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13. polls in private forums and a bit of insider info
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:33 AM
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2. The next wave of Hill Shills - you knew it would happen
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 04:38 AM by CakeGrrl
I guess there's no respect for Obama's clear statement that a selection process is in place.

Now Hillary has her buddy DiFi flogging the popular vote argument for her and Charlie Rangel pushing, pushing, pushing the VP slot.

This was probably a condition of Hillary's "concession" that they do this in return for her to wrap it up.

Anyone think Hillary will feign denial that this is being done with her approval?

:eyes:

If Hillary truly supports this party, she will help her voters vote Democratic whether or not she is deemed the best fit for VP.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:40 AM
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4. Please stop with the demeaning name-calling.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 05:07 AM
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7. Feinstein, Rangel, et al are indeed SHILLING on the air. The dots are easy to connect here:
1. Tuesday: Hillary gives the in-your-face non-concession ("I won the electoral votes", "I've got the popular vote", "I will make no decisions tonight").

2. Now we have an article that reports that Hillary planned to take much more time to sit on a decision than she did:

She and her supporters, she told aides, had earned the right to their own day, and she planned to take two weeks to think through her options.

The next day, though, Democratic supporters in Congress pressed her on a conference call to give up quickly. She gave in, hung up and asked top advisers to prepare a plan to withdraw.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/us/politics/08recon.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp

3. Thursday: Obama meets with Hillary, as he offered to do, at a place of her choosing: Feinstein's house.

4. Saturday: Hillary "concedes".

5. Sunday: Feinstein and Tubbs-Jones are on the air waving the "popular vote", "Obama needs Hillary's voters", and "Obama needs to consider Hillary as VP" flags all over the place.

6. Monday: Charlie Rangel (and maybe others?) join the chorus.


I knew Clinton was conceding against her own personal timetable, and this sounds to me like she was indeed figuring out a way to "bargain" using her votes, but decided, in exchange for a faster concession, to have her congressional supporters push the issue on her behalf.

She is NOT supporting the Democratic Party without conditions. Obama needs to shut this VP crap down and put the Clinton support to the test.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 05:53 AM
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10. well, maybe the oby doby's would be a name for Obama supporters in the
media and congress. I was referring to the 'Hill Shrills' you used. please refrain from those kind of remarks. thank you.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:49 AM
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19. "SHILL". not "SHRILL".
But since you're fixating on the label rather than the issue, I'll stop causing the wheel to squeak.

:eyes:

My points, the IMPORTANT points about using the media to undermine party unity on Hillary's behalf, still stand.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:49 PM
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28. Let Her Keep It Up...She's Aching To Be Tombstoned On Wed.
~
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:07 AM
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:19 PM
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24. If you noticed, I was not referring to Hillary supporters in general
nor have I ever name-called her supporters, and you can look that up.

But I have to give you props for fighting name calling with...petty name calling.

:rofl:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:42 AM
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5. oh jeez, please, Barack pick a VP SOON so we don't have to endure this CRAP any longer
she is eminently UNQUALIFIED to be VP, esp. since she won't answer a simple question about conflict of interest without cackling "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" She never met a corporate lobbyist and their payola that she didn't love. She is simply the flip side of the Bushie coin, a war monger and global plunderer, but in sheep's clothing. She is the Senator from Punjab, more interested in benefiting people in India than in preserving American jobs. There are so very many much more suitable and qualified real Democrats for VP--I am sooo looking forward to Obama laying to rest this very STUPID idea, of having a backstabber and scheming plotter a heartbeat away from him, with Bill looking over his shoulder and stealing the show with his media circus and scandals.

She did everything she could to undermine Obama's campaign--and now she should be rewarded with VP because she's the poor widdle LOSER? pfft!
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:46 AM
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6. If Obama would choose Senator Clinton as his running mate I would have no problem with it...
but it will be up to Obama to pick his running mate.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 05:23 AM
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8. Didn't they get the memo? They're *hurting* her chances.

If Obama is seen to be wrestled into choosing Hillary, it will make him look weak and very unpresidential.

He already gets hit for bing young and inexperienced.

If Feinstein, Rangel, and all rabid Hillary supporters are serious about wanting her to be put on the ticket, they will have to show some discipline and shut their flapping yaps.

If this crap continues, there will be *no way* Obama can choose her as a running mate. It will make him look like a total wuss.

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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 05:38 AM
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9. It's as if they're forcing him to a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario
He has plenty of valid reasons to say no, but all the drumbeating on Hillary's behalf will build up hopes among some of her supporters that she'll get the 'consolation prize' of VP.

Then Obama says no - as HRC and her colleagues very well know he might (or will). Then he's angered a group of Hillary supporters all over again because of the hyped expectations.

Why she has some of her colleagues going so far to the mat for her against a fellow Dem and their own nominee for President I don't know and don't like.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 06:06 AM
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11. She's out, mark my words.
Too much baggage.
That's all there is to it.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:02 AM
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17. You can't have a "Govt. in waiting" in the OEB. - Zbiggy
It has nothing to do with her qualifications.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 06:57 AM
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12. Hillary's worst enemies are her supporters now...

For the Hillary supporters who are hurting her chances by pushing this issue, it's understandable... They probably don't realize what they are doing, and that they are being manipulated by republicans to do it. Many of them are probably blinded with anger to the point they don't realize or don't care, and some probably just don't follow things that closely to know that no presidential hopeful can be seen to be bullied into this selection.

But Feinstein and Rangel know the score. They must know they're fast moving her chances from slim to none. And they're democrats, so they have no motivation to torpedo the party.

The only thing I can figure is that they're both trying to win over the women voters in their districts by being perceived as a strong Hillary supporter, regardless of the cost -- even if they cost Hillary the VP slot.

Other than that, I can't make sense of what they're doing.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 07:03 AM
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14. No, her worse enemies
are herself and Bill.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 07:16 AM
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15. But she and Bill are now playing ball...

She's supporting Obama, shutting up about the VP thing, and Bill has retreated to Harlem.

Since her meeting with Obama, she's been making the right moves. It's her surrogates and supporters who are now screwing up her chances.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:21 PM
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26. I'm sure it's all just a BIG misunderstanding.
Feinstein is such a loose cannon.

:sarcasm:
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muleboy303 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 07:32 AM
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16. since 1974 the Clintons have NEVER stopped campaigning
Over 500 days (almost exactly half the entire duration of John F. Kennedy's Presidency), over two dozen televised "debates", nearly 40 million voters and contributors, and over $500 million dollars spent by the candidates pursuing the Democratic Party's nomination,

AND IT'S STILL "NOT OVER" ? NOT BY A LONGSHOT.

At least, when the question is whether "Clintonism"
(the Clinton's variation of the Nixon method for getting elected) is well and truly ended.

The political machinations of the next 10 weeks are likely to brutal and ugly, but also largely hidden from plain view, as Hillary Rodham Clinton seeks to salvage what remains of her quest for power with an effort to be named Barack Obama's choice for Vice-President.

Even before the polls closed on the final day of primary voting, Hillary's VP campaign had begun. (perhaps as long ago as 21Feb in the Austin TX debate, and always remember that since 1974, the Clintons have NEVER STOPPED campaigning, for it is indeed "all they know how to do")

And who will "decide" the question? The 4000+ delegates to the Democratic Party National Convention in Denver in the last week of August 2008. And how will they decide? The questions of "electability", "compatibility", "loyalty", "gratitude", "sympathy", and "grievance" will all play their parts, but the combination of those factors will be subsumed into two major questions:
"Does Barack Obama want Hillary Clinton on the ticket?" and
"Can Barack Obama prevent Hillary Clinton from being on the ticket if he doesn't want her?".

Obama's campaign for the Democratic nomination has been called "the greatest upset in American political history", but it will pale in comparison to the deftness and intelligence it will take to keep Hillary Clinton from becoming #2. (of course, if the campaigns were harbingers, the biggest obstacle Clinton will have to overcome may well be her own self)

She cannot appear to "want it" too much, but she must constantly remind the media, her core supporters, and therefore the Nominee, that "she has not 'given in', is the "best" selection in terms of the general election battle to come (in their opinion), that she has 'earned' it", all while subtly threatening to use the political capital of "identity" (in it's many forms) to Obama's and the Democratic Party's detriment. (the next two/three weeks will be the most critical while the residue of the primary campaign's finale speech is still fresh)

The corporate media will greatly determine the efficacy of her campaign by how much and how often, and in what light, they discuss her "assets and liabilities" (including polling) as well as the trends in polling matchups between Obama and McCain. The number of defections of pledged/endorsed delegates from Hillary Clinton to Obama, and the publicity accrued to them, will also play a key role in the determination.

At some point during the next 10 weeks, Barack Obama will make an "announcement" based purely on political calculus. Whether to "select" Hillary Clinton as his choice for VP or someone else. The calculations will be based on the questions of "is it 'safe' (both choosing her or someone else), will she help or hurt more (in both the election contest and if successfully elected, afterward), and how do the majority of those 4000+ Democratic Party delegates feel, or would likely react, were Obama to be unexpectedly bold?"

Ultimately it is the communicated preferences of the Democratic Delegates/Party Leaders who will decide. Their self-interest derived conclusions will determine Obama's. If they see a viable way to put an end to Clintonism and it's inherent risks, in the form of Hillary's VP quest, and they desire to do so, they will indicate so via back-channels. If the majority feels otherwise, they will be far more public in their assertions.

Watch the major media for clues. The polls highlighted, how often Hillary Clinton is covered as well as Obama's VP "search", delegate defections/assertions, anything "out-of-left-field", and particularly the statements/actions by former President Clinton.

For every day that passes, as one after another, VP possibilities are featured in the news campaigning at Barack Obama's side, as well as every time Hillary (or Bill) Clinton is featured in a headline or cable TV news story, the equation will change. And for all of Hillary's problems with 'math' this year, she is an expert at the kind of 'political calculus' needed to secure the VP spot. It will take a true political genius, and some luck, to thwart her. (again)

Time will tell.

(as of 9June08, i'd rate it 50/50, but if Hillary is not 'selected' by 4July the odds drop to 25/75)

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:17 PM
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23. Muleboy, this is very well written. It deserves its own thread
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muleboy303 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:46 PM
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27. 20 years in Hope sure came in handy this year
thank you very much cryingshame, 'tis most appreciated.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:12 PM
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20. Either Hillary shuts down these efforts to promote her for VP ....
... or she reveals her complete lack of dedication to supporting the ticket. If she can't even control these few loose cannons, how can she argue that she can control any of her voters?
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:13 PM
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21. Rangel wants her to be VP so he can get her the hell out of NY. n/t
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:16 PM
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22. I'm really getting tired of them floating this crap...she ain't gonna be the VP
Obama needs someone with REAL military experience to balance the ticket out. Hillary doesn't have that and setting on the Armed Forces Committee doesn't cut it.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:20 PM
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25. They oversampled Harriet Christian 435 times to arrive at this "new push"! n/t
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