How could Senator Hillary give a great speech with an astounding endorsement of Obama today?

[Catherine Vincent]

Isn't she a Republican? At least that's what some of you always referred her as.

Peace!

[niceypoo]

1. I have noticed that the loudest Hill haters are dead quiet.....

...suffering in silence.

[Yael]

3. Name one.

I have seen every outspoken Obama supporter/non-Hill fan jumping on the respect bandwagon for her today. Me included and repeatedly.

Quit making shit up.

[niceypoo]

6. It is against DU rules to call out members by name....

....otherwise I would.

[Yael]

9. Then PM me. I have yet to see one not standing up for her speech today.

Causing division for the sake of causing division is what you are doing -- and this comes from a long term Edwards/Obama/ABC POV.

[Name removed]

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[lapfog_1]

20. I'll name one... sort of... Me.

All I said was that it was a decent speech. And it was.

And it's time to move on.

I didn't jump on the "love Hillary day" bandwagon.

Doesn't mean I hate her, I just don't have that quick "forgive and forget" switch. But I never did hate her, I simply didn't like her campaign or many of her surrogates. I don't like hypocrisy much (as you can tell from my sig). I found that many of her surrogates demonstrated hypocrisy in large doses. Something about Michigan and Florida and counting votes when Hillary was the only candidate on the ballot and the like.

However, I am ready to drop the whole thing and move on to the general election.

It seems some of Hillary's supporters here just can't do that.

So don't count me on the bandwagon of Obama supporters that thinks Hillary is just ducky this weekend. But you can count me in the group that just doesn't say anything about her. At least until this thread.

And I'll say what I said before... It was a decent speech.

That is all.

[SwampG8r]

14. i object

i myself put an OP up that thanked her for her actions
and wishing her the very best
it was snark free
and as such fell to the bottom of the list
interestingly the only response it drew was from someone who was himself a rabid obama follower as am i
and he too experessed positive thoughts to senator clinton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6319896

[Ravy]

17. I imagine some of them were more anti-Hillary than pro-Obama....

I would look at some of them to move camps now that their arch-enemy is gone.

[MethuenProgressive]

27. The "fuck you Hillary Clinton" thread posted after her speech made it the "Greatest page"

And that certainly wasn't the only HillHate thread/post that afternoon.

[Yael]

2. Put the snark down.

Thanks

[yourguide]

23. +1

[scheming daemons]

4. Her future political viability in the Democratic party left her no choice...

Don't get me wrong... great speech.



But it wasn't the speech she wanted to give today. It was the speech she had to give today.



Kudos to her for stepping up to the plate.... but you know Bill was gritting his teeth throughout.

[lapfog_1]

5. Who is it that can't leave this alone? - n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

8. I'm just getting it all outta my system.

The way some of the Obama supporters behaved here has a lasting effect. :)

[lapfog_1]

10. Yes, lets make this totally one sided, shall we...

BTW, I had over 403 posters on ignore until just a few days ago.

Don't make me regret removing them.

[Catherine Vincent]

11. You had 403 posters on ignore?

That says a lot about you. LOL!

[lapfog_1]

12. No, it says a lot about THEM

as almost 25% received their granite cookies.

And, just so you know, I estimate that another 10% to 15% were retreads.

Anyway, Obama won, Clinton, who acted like a republican, lost. Get over it. Move on.

I put them on ignore when it was obvious to me that Obama was going to win. So I didn't have to deal with Hillary supporter hate filled name calling idiocy.

So... if you are really on board with the Democratic party and our nominee, welcome.

If you are simply here to stir up old crap... see ya later.

You can start by donating $100 to the Obama campaign, and an additional $100 to the DNC.

Donating to the DLC doesn't count (at least with me).

[Catherine Vincent]

36. I can't believe you put me on ignore again!

:cry:

[musicblind]

15. yes it certainly does say a lot about that poster.

403? wow. Ignore is a root word for ignorant.

[lapfog_1]

18. You folks really don't know how to "move on" do you?

I ignored them so that I wouldn't waste time either reading their hate filled posts (remember that *I'm* the "kool aid drinking cultist" according the Hillary supporters).

I had already moved beyond the primary season sometime around Wisconsin.

Anyway, I was right, the primary season was over, Hillary lost.

And, in my opinion, she is not a Democrat. Democrats do NOT do what she did to other Democrats. As far as I know.

So, get over yourselves, move on, join the party and elect Obama as our next President, or leave. I really don't care anymore.

[musicblind]

21. How dare you tell me to join the party as if I were not a part of the party and not behind Obama?

Great way to assume much?

I have a huge issue with people who ignore dissenting opinions. Be they the opinions of fellow democrats or fellow republicans. This has nothing to do with unity or getting on board. I have been on board for a while now. I will always support Hillary and John Edwards as WELL as Obama. I think Hillary was a fine candidate, and was horribly mistreated and misunderstood on this board. It has no reflection on Obama or his ability to make a spectacular president. Never once have I bashed Obama or said he was anything but a nice person.

I HAVE, however, been very consistent, this whole primary season that there is no excuse for ignoring someone else's opinion because it disagrees with you. That is the same as being willfully ignorant. It is as bad as right wing politicians who ignore evidence for evolution. They think they are 100% right and don't want to hear anyone else say different.

Hell, I listen to right wing radio, and watch right wing shows because I WANT to know what the other team is saying. That way I am always the most prepared for an argument, I know what they are going to say, and how to counter it.

People who dismiss attacks on their ideas as being being unworthy of their attention are dangerous. There is a reason that CEO's crash when they surround themselves with "yes men". There should always be a dissenting opinion present in your life even if it is 1000000% wrong and you know it is. It is not a waste of time, it is a gift of perspective. The last thing we want to be is ethnocentric, egocentric, or stuck in an echo chamber.

I think people who ignore other posters are beyond rude, and are stuck in their own world.

I also think it is funny when posters ASSUME (ass out of u and me) things about myself or other posters. I do support Obama fully. I began full support of him as the nominee on Tuesday. I have ALWAYS said that I support him as a person, and think he is a great person. I first backed Edwards, then Clinton, and now Obama. I have been very outspoken against the idea of hating or strongly disliking ANY candidate. I have even been consistent enough to state that people shouldn't hate McCain, only his policies.

I implore you to refrain from ignoring people who disagree with you in the future, because if you don't then one day you will be caught by surprise and will regret having contributed to your ignorance of the opposing teams strategies.

[lapfog_1]

22. how dare YOU to pass judgment on ME for how I read

posts here in this forum.

Which is what YOU did.

Last I heard, this is a free country and I don't have to read everything posted on DU.
If you think that makes me ignorant, fine, I really don't give a flying fuck what you think of me. But you don't have to chime in with your stupid little comments, do you?

IF I choose to ignore people so I don't waste my time reading their stupid arguments either against the candidate I've chosen to support or in favor of the candidate they choose to support, what difference does that make to YOU? I determined that Obama won after Wisconsin, actually I had a good feeling he would win long before that... but that's not why I choose to support him. But I didn't like reading all of the negative shit in this forum about our nominee for President so I ignored any and all Hillary supporters. Period. Just like I don't have to watch Faux noise either. Or do I have to watch that crap too? (in your opinion, just so I'm up on what the opposition is saying?)... where does it end, do I have to read worldnetdaily and newsmax as well? Those were all SOURCES for some of the anti Obama postings here by the folks I put on ignore. Shit, I suppose I have to go join Freeperville too so that I'm not an ignorant idiot in your opinion.

And if you don't like my posts, you can "ignore" me. (and I guess that WON'T make you a rude little person in your own mind)

[musicblind]

24. No, I would never ignore you. Just as I have never used the ignore function.

I find great fault in ignoring a dissenting person's opinion. If you choose to disregard the information I provided... you are correct. You do have the RIGHT to be ignorant. That doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Why do I care? Because ignorance people who only hear their own view points damage the country I live in.

And yes, I feel I do need to make these comments, because I am not joking when I say that ignorance is dangerous.

To ignore ANYONE who supported Hillary just because they supported her shows a personality that does not WANT to know if what they believe is true or not... they just want to believe it.

Again, dangerous.

It is not passing judgement to point out ignoring someone (especially entire groups of people and ideas) leads to ignorance. That is stating a fact. How can you be fully informed if you do not have all of the information?

It brings to mind a three year old with their fingers in their ears screaming "la la la la la, I can't hear you!" as a response to an argument they don't like rather than taking the risk of having their view points challenged. Do you not at all see this point? That THIS is the reason that ignoring everyone that say something unpleasant to you is a bad thing? If you had said you ignored 10 people because they were spamming with random rambling, I could have an easier time understanding... but ignoring 400 plus people makes it look like you were trying to ignore an entire point of view merely because it disagreed with yours.

And no, there is nothing wrong with checking in on Fox News to see what they are saying. To automatically discount anything from Fox News as not worthy of your attention just because they have a right wing bias you disagree with is not right either. It doesn't mean you have to BELIEVE a word they say.

I have been in managerial positions several times, and over large numbers of people. I have had people come to complain about policies or other employees and each time they did ... I would listen to every word they have to say. Because listening is equally as important as the response.

[lapfog_1]

26. Welcome to my ignore list (likely again).

It's a great idea to ignore you... you have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation.

I have a limited amount of time, therefore I choose what conversations to get involved with. No one invited YOU to chime in with your little snark about me, so butt out already and STFU.

If you want to listen to Fox and wingnutdaily and freeperville, you go right ahead. I think it's fine and dandy for you to waste your time there. They have a proven record of lying and it's simply not worth the time and effort to determine if the next thing out of their mouths or keyboards is one. I simply assume that it is.

I ignored 400 people who were fighting a losing (lost) cause. And they wouldn't realize that it was lost. They wouldn't listen to reason or rationale argument. I think of my reaction as more like giving some 3 year olds a "time out". If I had been a moderator or if this was my board, I would have banned most of them as they were simply agitators (possibly some of them were "operation chaos" members). Few had post counts higher than a few hundred, and most profiles showed that they had joined DU within the last few months, that is until they started hiding their profiles. A full 25% were banned for violations of the rules here.

And it's not up to YOU to pass judgment on me for my use of DU functions or how I spend MY TIME. If you disagree with the CONCEPT of "ignore" I suggest you take it up with the owners of this web site. But sitting in judgment of me is not your right.

And, oh yeah, BTW, I have been a manager to 100s of employees, as well as CEO and CTO of middle sized corporations. Listening to someone who is an employee is a much different topic than listening to people here. And even then, after you have listened to someone and let them vent their frustrations... THEY have to sign up to being on the team, even if they disagree with the approach or who was chosen to lead the effort. If they don't, your responsibility to deal with them (either find a job role where they will be productive and pro-active, or suggest that they find new employment). That's called leadership.

[musicblind]

29. You don't address the intelligent points i try to make, you just keep stating that you have a right

to ignore people. I said that you DO have that right. But I did ask you to address the points I am making. You wont do so. In fact, you prove my point again... rather than have a suitable come back... you merely ignore me.

Though I doubt I was on your ignore list the first time as I did not advocate very many of Hillary's talking points. Except I have recently declared that I favor her or Edwards was VP choices.

and to your last comment. I never said you had to agree with them, but you SHOULD listen to them. You agree with me that listening is appropriate rather than sticking your fingers in your ear.

You have not given any reason for why it does NOT lead to ignorance when you ignore entire GROUPS of people. You have not given any arguement other than the fact that you have the right to do so.

I don't believe we should get RID of the ignore function. I said, if you had told me you had 10 people or so ignored because of their heavy spamming... that would be one thing. To tell me that you have 400 people ignored with the ONLY critiria for being ignored is that they supported a democratic candidiate that was different than yours... I think that is going to lead to bad results.

If you are choosing to ignore me, that is fine, but it proves my point... because now you are ignorant of the witty and intelligent information that is in this post and you will be unable to have the opportunity to come up with your own witty and intelligent rebutal. I, however, have lost nothing by going on your ignore list. My post will still be read by the masses, and I will still be able to read your posts... but the difference is that you will not be able to give a rebutal. I think that is sad, because I feel that your rebutal to my post would be just as important to the equation as anything that I have to say.

It is sad that a CEO and CTO of a corporation would "take his ball and go home" like a spoiled child on a basketball court if he doesn't get his way. This is a DISCUSSION board. Not an AGREEMENT board.

I should not be so hard on you in the way I discuss things, but I want you to understand that I am making these points because I believe in them with all of my heart.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

33. holy shit...you only listen to your own thoughts?...you had 403 on ignore?

sad

[MercutioATC]

7. Why are you looking for a fight?

Sorry, I'm not in the mood to play.

[Cheap_Trick]

13. She sure as fuck acted like a republican

with the slimy campaign she ran. She sure as fuck acted like a republican when she repeatedly endorsed McCain. She sure as fuck acted like a republican when she advocated the war and still hasn't apologized for being wrong.

Her speech may have made some of it forgiven, but NONE of it forgotten.

[StevieM]

30. Noone is asking for your forgiveness--there is nothing to forgive, she did nothing wrong.

And since when do Republicans stand for universal health care?

Steve

[lapfog_1]

32. She did nothing wrong?

She didn't manage her campaign well. She didn't plan for the primary contests after February 5. She tried to disenfranchise union voters in Nevada and then LIED about it.
She lied (repeatedly) about her experience in Bosnia. She compared a republican presumptive nominee for President FAVORABLY to a rival Democrat. She left her name ON the ballot in Michigan in direct violation of an agreement that she signed (operative phrase was "not participate"... not "not campaign"). She implied that a rival candidate might be a "secret Muslim" (as far as I know). Her surrogates (including her husband) tried to belittle a fellow democratic candidate as "doing as well as Jesse Jackson" or "only in the race because he is black". She belittled ALL of her rivals DEMOCRATIC supporters as cult followers with her "the sky will open up and the choirs will sing..." speech. She implied that she was finishing the race because "something might happen" to her rival AND she brought up the Bobby Kennedy assassination in a wholly inappropriate historical context... and could be misconstrued by some of her more deranged supporters as a "green light" to make something happen to her rival. Her final act was to get her surrogates and supporters on the Rules and Bylaws committee to vote IN THE EXACT OPPOSITE WAY they voted previously on the issue of Michigan and Florida. I wonder how they would have voted if Hillary had not left her name on the ballot in Michigan or Edwards (lets say) had won Florida?

Oh, she left thousands of small businesses across America holding the bag when her campaign went $30M into the red.

But no, she did nothing wrong! :sarcasm:

[StevieM]

35. Every example you just gave is a blatant lie on your part, and the "muslim" accusation was

particularly idiotic. It symbolizes the absurdity of the whole campaign.

Steve

[lapfog_1]

37. Right, and you folks called US the "kool-aid drinkers"

Absolutely hopeless.

[Cheap_Trick]

34. In the 3 instances I gave

she acted like a republican. She "did nothing wrong" in YOUR opinion, but alas, not EVERYBODY shares your opinion.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. I love your passive aggressive stuff

it always works at home

DOESN'T IT?

[Name removed]

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[Ino]

25. Bobblehead gave a grudging, glum endorsement of Obama

along with her self-aggrandizing speech. And she might as well be a Repug, considering her Senate speech in favor of and VOTING endorsement of Chimpy's war, Kyle-Lieberman, bankruptcy bill, etc.

Happy?

[JoFerret]

31. It was (much) worse and more disgraceful that that but

no looking back.