Why does Obama not include the DCCC And DSCC in his new lobbying rule - why the exceptions for

[papau]

former lobbyists, unregistered lobbying firm partners, and state lobbyists?

Also, allowing the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee to continue to accept lobby and PAC money this election would seem to undermine the message.

Or am I mis-informed about the new Obama lobbyist rules?

[backscatter712]

1. Obama doesn't control the DSCC or DCCC.

That's my understanding of how these organizations are run. Obama has control over the DNC, and was able to change the rules there, but can't give direct orders to the DSCC or DCCC.

[papau]

3. OK - thanks - but still why the exclusion for state lobbyists, etc?

[Occam Bandage]

9. Because there's no conflict of interest involved in a Federal-level entity accepting money

from a state-level lobbyist. The problem isn't "LOBBYISTS ARE EVIL AND WE SHALL CRUSH THEM," the problem is the inherent conflict of interest in accepting money from people who are attempting to persuade you to vote in a certain direction.

[papau]

13. The Illinois state coal lobbyists that funded Obama's State Senate runs do not have the

appearance of a conflict?

"the problem is the inherent conflict of interest in accepting money from people who are attempting to persuade you to vote in a certain direction." - true - but do those folks need to register as Washington federal lobbyists if they drop by the Chicago office for a visit?

[democrattotheend]

26. If they drop by the Chicago office, they'd have to register as federal lobbyists, I think

I think if they lobby a federal legislator at any office they have to register as federal lobbyists. State lobbyists lobby state legislators. I applied for a job a couple years ago with a firm that did state lobbying, and it was solely lobbying state legislators.

[Occam Bandage]

33. No. There's no conflict, so long as they are not lobbying him for anything he would do

as a Senator or a President. If they are attempting to lobby him, they need to register as federal lobbyists.

[stahbrett]

2. As the nominee, Obama effectively leads the DNC, not the DCCC and DSCC

I guess that's the separation of powers thing in action.

[papau]

4. OK - thanks - but still why the exclusion for state lobbyists, etc?

[cali]

15. you poor thing.

pitiful.

[stahbrett]

25. If Obama was running for governor, I'd guess he would do that

Maybe Hillary will do the same if she runs for governor...

[Danger Mouse]

5. Enjoy it while you can...only a few more days now...

[AZBlue]

7. Seriously.

3 days, 14 hours and 56 minutes.....

[Danger Mouse]

11. Most of the Clinton supporters have come over with peace and dignity...

some aren't even bothering to disguise their continued resentment.

[AZBlue]

21. I'd say the vast majority have done that.

And it's been wonderful! But there's always a few....

[Occam Bandage]

12. Was this on one of the HateBama blogs? There's been like three threads using similar wording,

all asking the exact same questions, all going silent once they're answered.

[AZBlue]

20. Maybe the conference calls are still going on without Hillary?

[wvbygod]

16. And then what?

Only the questions that you approve of will be allowed?

[Danger Mouse]

30. Then stupid flamebait about our nominee will not be allowed.

Don't try to snow me. Papau's intent is as clear as day.

[wvbygod]

35. An intent to discuss why half the Democratic funds are still in question seems fine to me

You seem to be saying that any facts about our party that are not altruistic and happy,
shiny issues are off limits. How should the issue have been approached to make it legit
in your mind?

[Danger Mouse]

39. How about not posted by someone notorious for posting nonstop flamebait about Obama?

That would be a good start. :hi:

[PM7nj]

6. The DNC and DSCC/DCCC are not (officially) connected.

They are separate bodies. The DSCC and DCCC are Hill committees.

[Barack_America]

8. Why don't you contact those organizations and ask them?

I'd love to hear what they have to say about it.

I mean, if it's really that much of a concern.

[Yael]

10. The DNC reports to him now. Congress Critters are independent

of his organization.

[papau]

14. true - but the state lobbyist cut out from the new rule makes me scratch my head

[cali]

17. *snicker*. sure they do.

[Yael]

18. I am sorry you are confused. Let me help.

Senator Obama does not want his campaign littered with lobbyist contributions.

Senator Obama now heads the DNC (or Dean reports up to him -- however you want to parse it).

Senator Obama does not want his party political organization littered with lobbyist contributions.

Congressmen/women and Senators may belong to the DNC and may endorse Senator Obama, but they are not within his organization and do not report up to him.

This is their individual decision just as it was his.

[joshcryer]

22. Does the DNC have power to pressure them?

[Yael]

23. No clue.

[Occam Bandage]

34. What do you mean by "power to pressure them?" I mean, you have the "power to pressure them."

So do I. Anyone can "pressure" anyone else to do something. Doesn't mean anything.

[smiley_glad_hands]

19. You make me scratch my head. lol

[Warren Stupidity]

36. No, you just have lice. See a doctor.

[muryan]

24. Its funny

I heard this on foxnews today, and got an email about it from an intern at the American Enterprise Institute.

I guess what I'm saying, which rabidly right-wing outfit did you pull this from?

[bhikkhu]

28. One or another, I'd guess

The tone has changed but the intention seems the same.

I have to say, though, I'm happy to see such questions here, as long as they are reasonably put and answerable. This one seems ok.

[muryan]

29. I am too

I'm just trying to point out the genesis of the question, most importantly the framing of the question. I actually think its a good one, but with a pretty easy answer.

[bhikkhu]

31. Though there is the old trick of poets involved

You don't have to say anything, really, just put some words together in close proximity and see what happens.

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[Richard Steele]

37. Wednesday is gonna be rough on you, isn't it? nm

[last1standing]

38. Do you have to interview for the position of concen troll or is it simply a test you take?

I know if anyone knows that answer it's you so please let us all know. O8)