Hillary's blog is amazingly negative now

[GoesTo11]

I just went there and the top blog story is about her speech, 1800 posts. Not one saying they will vote for Obama, most saying they never will, all about how horrible he is. Talking about voting for McCain, and how great Hillary is. This isn't some outside group, like Marsh or 44. This is her website.

Hillary's work is far from done if she wants to stay welcome in the party. I really hope she can restore her future and the party's and not just blow it all.

She has to cut this crap out of her site, tell her supporters to cut the crap, and give real and sincere speeches about Obama's strengths, not just vague "he's a Democrat so you have to vote for him even though he's not as good as me." She has to give real and sincere speeches begging her supporters to not vote for McCain and explaining exactly why. She is positioning herself as the political leader of the Women's movement - tell women why they must not vote for McCain.

Take a look, really, this is shocking to me and the fact that it is up there on her site and that her supporters are still spouting this belies her conciliatory words of today.

[yourguide]

1. And they moderate that site too WTF???

Her staffers approve every post. They are allowing this crap to be posted????

[K Gardner]

18. Disappointing if true.

[yourguide]

52. I am scrolling through all of the posts...

a couple of the posters mentioned their posts were being censored. I tried to post on a blog months back and my posts never made it on the site.

There are a few sane supporters on the site telling the others they are sick of being bullied and they plan to follow HRCs wishes and support Obama.

[NYC_SKP]

55. Yes, sadly, true. This one post caught my eye last night:

This is just a sample of many shocking comments:

Tonight one of my friends called me. Yesterday she volunteered at her Church as she does every Thursday, helping to prepare meals for the needy, or homeless.
She could not believe her ears, at what some of the AA were saying about Obama being the nominee. It got so bad that some of the women had their cell phones ready to call for help.
No, this isn't going to be pretty folks, I don't see any good coming out of this at all.
Now, my friend, does't know if she can volunteer next week because she is afraid.....it's just the beginning...........What did they say about us being "typical, bitter, uneducated, white people." I have heard it all...........Pray and light candles for Hillary, when I checked at gratefulness.org, there were only 309 for HRC. We need more, and lots of prayers for Hillary.......Good Night everyone, till tomorrow
by LillaBet at 6/7/2008 12:21:57 AM

And I think it needs to stop.

It's her official website, for goodness sake, and to do nothing about it constitutes tacit approval.

[Andy823]

73. This sounds more like

A "Limbaugh" ditto head talking, one of his soldiers who are trying to keep the war between Hillary and Obama going, and drag voters to the McCain camp.

[NYC_SKP]

76. I utterly agree but

it's shameful that it made it past any moderators.

[roseBudd]

83. No you have no idea how scared most whites are to go to the ghetto even to volunteer

[chimpymustgo]

85. Have mercy. You guys monitoring her WEBSITE? Let her people say what they want right now.

You people are insufferable.

[chascarrillo]

102. "You people"?

[psychopomp]

123. It is certainly being smammed by OpChaos'ers

The site moderators are allowing GOP trolls to post inflammatory messages that run counter to Sen. Clinton's stated goals. There are a large number of posts that have the same messages:

"I will never vote for Obama, McCain is better."

"The news media, DNC and Barack Obama have conspired to cheat Hillary Clinton out of the nomination."

"I am leaving the Democratic Party to register as an Independent."

[Beacool]

160. Not GOP trolls.

Many Democrats have changed their registration to Independent.

[Colobo]

132. So you don't see anything wrong with what they saying?

[JuniperLea]

159. Do they? Where is that stated? eom

[anonymous171]

2. Remember all 310 members of his44 produced over 100,000 posts.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. and HCF.net has less then 200 active posters

These people are vocal,but thats it. They do not represent a movement. Their small ranks will lose steam as we go on.

[ObamaKerryDem]

68. And to think they are STILL talking about "Denver", even after the speech today..

Guess they don't even believe it out of Hillary's own mouth. :eyes: Well, as they say...denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I bet a lot of them will turn on her, especially if she goes out on the campaign trail for him or even becomes his VP. That's what happens when obsession steers the wrong way..

But as you say, it's, while very vocal, a minority. And who knows if they are even sincere? Sometimes I think they are just GOP plants, sent to start shit among the party. *Hey if they are willing to actually change their registrations to vote in Dem primaries for Hillary, just to mess things up because they are afraid of facing Obama in the fall, they are capable of something equally insane* And if you go through the blog on Hillary's site, a lot of the anti-Obama posts are made among a specific group of people, posting back and forth, over and over again. So obviously, not EVERYONE thinks like them. Thank God! *shudders*

Ah, I REALLY should stop lurking on that site; sure, it's good for a good laugh every once and a while, but otherwise...*gag*

[roseBudd]

133. They are 200 fan girls, a few guys & a token Gay Guy dispersed among 50 states

I got the impression most have barely followed politics prior to the Hillary Idol Show.

[yourguide]

31. Thanks for that reminder.

[Blondiegrrl]

94. ... and the majority of THOSE posts were made by just 24 people.

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

3. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rush sicced his 'Op Chaos' sheeple

over there. Those folks are not Dems and never were.

[Swamp Rat]

14. I do not doubt that for a second.

Limpballs knows Operation Chaos is in its “Last Death Throws.”

[mrreowwr_kittty]

60. Probably a lot of them are but it's a moderated site so there's no excuse.

If those are the kind of people who post there (and I just checked for myself and the OP's assessment is correct) then the site needs to be shut down.

[ZinZen]

62. Babylonsister, that's what I am thinking

It has all the sounds and signs of Limbaugh, Malkin and FreeRepubs over there.

[JuniperLea]

158. I think you nailed it...

This is just another ploy to further divide us... to create an illusion of another wedge... they have nothing, so they have to make shit up.

[sufrommich]

Those are republicans posting on her blog...

it's very easy on the internet to claim to be anybody you want to be.These aren't Hillary supporters.

[Political Heretic]

4. Its fringe internet. It's like looking at youtube comments and thinking that's representative of

the country.

Don't worry about it.

She delivered an amazing speech, and her true supporters will continue to stand with her as she works to put our democratic nominee in the white house. Those who are still spewing anti-democrat (because that's what it is) venom weren't really with the party to begin with, and we - united clinton and obama supporters - will win without their help.

[MethuenProgressive]

5. Link?

None, eh?

[uppityperson]

10. Here you go. Or, go to her website, click on blog, then on top post.

Just in case you don't trust my direct link. There are other topics on Du about this also.
http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/07/162034#view_comments

[MethuenProgressive]

17. I've seen much worse on DU today.

Heck, a "fuck you Hillary" thread made it the "Greatest" page after her speech.

[uppityperson]

27. No wonder you are on my buddy list.

"I won't ever vote for Obama, just McCain" on Clinton's website is not negative enough, or doesn't equal "fuck you Hillary". Got it. Good thing you, unlike the majority of DU members have always been a paragon of niceness.

[MethuenProgressive]

32. "the majority of DU members have always been a paragon of niceness."

Yeah - "fuck you Hillary" is on the Greatest page out of "niceness"..
:rofl:

[uppityperson]

64. Once again you miss the point.

Since you continue to do so, I'll try it using small words.
1) sarcasm
2) calling Hillary a nasty name on DU does not = ranting you will vote for McCain rather than Obama.

[cornermouse]

122. The hatred of Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea

on DU has gone far beyond nasty name calling. I don't know how you can even try to justify what you've done.

[uppityperson]

153. What have I dont that you don't know how I can justify it?

I hardly ever post in GD-P, and don't insult. What have I done? Serious question. Maybe you confuse me with someone else.

[GalleryGod]

156. Grab some Effexor.

Actually...double-own the dosage!

[movonne]

28. Was that the tues night speech???

[QueenOfCalifornia]

39. That was pathetic.

I saw it too and I also called the OP on that BS.

It is ultra low class.

I am very disappointed by some of the regular posters here who are doing whatever they can to fan the flame bait threads.

[JVS]

66. you may be shocked to learn this, but she isn't the nominee. It isn't important how people feel...

about voting for her, that's not on the agenda for this fall.

[GoesTo11]

12. Here's a link

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/

[uppityperson]

13. I'm amused by MethuenProgressive's profile...

"Please join me, and let's band together to end the personal attacks and anti-social behavior currently rampant in DU's GD-P! Respect our moderators, and please read Skinner's "DU Presidential Primary Guide to Good Citizenship and Survival" that is pinned to the top of the forum! Remember we MUST defeat the GOP in November! Unlike the majority of DU members, I've said for over a year I'll vote for who ever our nominee is."

no comment needed.

[LowerManhattanite]

143. He threw that silly bit of buillshit inclusiveness...

...after getting bounced on his ass outta here for a week's suspension for constant flame-baiting and personal attacks.

It IS pretty damned funny to read considering the source, eh?

[uppityperson]

152. I missed all that.

It's been on my buddy list for quite some time, missed the suspension. Funny, thanks.

[MethuenProgressive]

19. Thanks. All four posts there were great stuff.

:dem:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

119. These posts?

HILLARY WE ARE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY...

BUT WE WILL NOT VOTE BO...

by Vel at 6/7/2008 12:33:04 PM
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Hillary..........................................

We support you FOREVER!!!

BUT we will NEVER support BO!!! He doesn't deserve it! He stole it!!! NEVER means NEVER!!!

Also, we will FOREVER remember what BO, his nasty supporters, MSM, & the UNdemocratic DNC did in this election.

McCain 08!!!

Hillary 2012!!!

by People at 6/7/2008 1:33:08 PM
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Sheeeeesh!!!

When you first go to HillaryClinto.com now they want you to sign up to support BHO.

NEVER.............NEVER............NEVER.......NEVER

McCAIN 08

HILLARY 2012

by Iowa Hillsters at 6/7/2008 12:26:52 PM





Stuff that just warms your heart huh Meth?

[TahitiNut]

44. It's obviously an insane asylum.

GOPhers who've lost their way to reality. :shrug:

[Bodhi BloodWave]

16. two links

the newest blog: http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/07/162034#view_comments

the one i think the OP is referring to: http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/05/144631#view_comments

If the OP actually was referring to the first link that would mean the mods have deleted 1k posts o.O

[PatGund]

149. Wow......

If those were the ones they DIDN'T delete.......

The ones that claimed that Sen. Clinton supporters that were signing on with Sen. Obama's campaign were all "paid plants" were particularly outstanding. (And, sorry to say, something I've encountered elsewhere too. It's like they can't understand that anyone would do something silly like, oh, I dunno, get behind the party leader??)

And the ones claiming they would vote for McCain are just sad. It's the only reason I can see for voting against your person's wishes and everything she claims to stand for. If they're not GOP plants, then they're very sad and shallow people.

[muryan]

140. Its probably the people from CH

Mind you, these are the posters banned from DU for being completely crazy.

Oh, and they are casting spells against posters here...watch out!

:rofl: :rofl:

[undeterred]

6. And they think Obama supporters are cultlike?

What is she, a goddess?

[stray cat]

8. Pretty scarry stuff - you're right - hopefully fringe - looks like a lot of repeat posters

[Mezzo]

9. give them time and space and back the fuck off, kay?

sheesh

[mrreowwr_kittty]

67. No. This is Hillary Clinton's OFFICIAL blog and it is a disgrace.

"Time and space" does not include accomodating disgusting online behavior. If Hillary Clinton truly intends to support the Democratic nominee then her staff needs to shut down, or at least moderate, that blog. The MSM has already gleefully jumped on this and are using these kind of comments to gin up divisiveness among Democrats.

And if the situation were reversed, and it were Obama supporters loudly screaming about how they refused to support Clinton on the blogosphere and elsewhere you'd probably feel the same way I do.

[Colobo]

134. It's a disgrace indeed.

[newmajority]

11. This is all part of the DLC plan

They're manufacturing this "massive outcry" for Hillary to be forced on the ticket as VP. Astroturf the blogosphere. Rig the polls. Talking points to the whore media.

Hell, some people are actually starting to believe this shit.

[Booster]

15. Don't you think it's time to let your hatred of Hillary go? Your

guy won and you should be happy about that. Hillary said she supported Obama - what more do you want?

[Cha]

20. The OP said nothing about hating hilary..

just some facts that you apparently want covered up.

[Booster]

29. Oh, bite me.

[Emit]

40. nice

:eyes:

[Cha]

57. Typical hilary shit...

Only hilary didn't say "Bite Me." in her speech today.

[lojasmo]

96. Gladly.

[Colobo]

135. So you are justifying the hatred of the members of her official blog?

[GoesTo11]

24. The primary is over, and bygones can be bygones

But I said what more I want. I see a big threat from those of her supporters who she got so riled up about sexism and so negative on Obama that they now are starting to organize against him. I want her to nip this in the bud. I want her to tell her supporters that McCain is their opponent. She didn't mention John McCain once in the speech today. She has to make clear that they have to go for Obama and against McCain! I want her campaign and her website to stop blogs like these, and I want her to denounce the other websites and organizations that claim to be Democrats but are now working against Obama and for McCain, and of course not just publicly but any behind the scenes encouragement and support that is going on has to stop. She has to put out the fires she lit. Look, she may be about to do all this. But she has to do it if she truly wants to get a Dem in the White House after this election.

[MH1]

30. What I want

is for Hillary to show the stellar leadership that a US President should have (she was interviewing for that job after all), and LEAD her supporters to start doing the right thing. That would include asking her staff to moderate her own blog a little better.

If she really is the leader her supporters claimed, then she can lead most of her supporters to support the Party's nominee.

We shall see.

[ampad]

33. Um... do you know the definition of hate?

I mean seriously, is there a new rule on DU that I don't know about? Did you folks go in and re-write the definition of hate in the dictionary? This is getting really old.

[silverojo]

84. I wanted to hear HRC tell her supporters why NOT to vote for McCain

She was far too vague. She needed to list the issues on which McCain has been against everything she's ever worked for. She needed to come right out and say, "If you support me, you will not vote for a candidate who is George W. Bush's twin."

That, to answer your question, is what I wanted to hear.

[muryan]

141. We would like if her people would actually do their job

and moderate the blog. Some of the posts there are digusting. If that trash was allowed on an Obama blog it'd be on Rush/Foxnews within minutes.

Edit: Its not Hillary hatred, I'm actually a huge fan of hers. But her supporters need to take a xanax or 2

[cliffordu]

21. Thanks for your concern

[RoyGBiv]

22. Is this necessary?

Did you really need to bring this here?

Really?

Today?

What purpose does it serve?

Well, since you did ...

If you browse the posts a bit, you'll notice a couple of things.

First, there's a core of a few individuals who are posting numerous, similar comments. Color me suspicious that these individuals are representative of anyone other than an extreme fringe or Republican "Chaos" operatives.

Second, while I can't prove anything at the moment, I'd truly love to run a writing analysis on the entirety of the comments, looking for patterns of similarity between supposedly different individuals. The ALL-CAPS rants, some with identical phrasing coming from accounts with different user names, should raise some eyebrows if nothing else does. And there is a lot there that should raise some eyebrows.

... if one is paying attention.

[GoesTo11]

26. I really hope you're right that this is all RW dirty politics

Hard to tell. It's entirely possible. But her campaign should put a lid on it.

[RoyGBiv]

36. Perhaps ...

Their terms of service certain provide them with the opportunity.

[NYC_SKP]

59. I'd love to see an analysis.

Including those repeated misspellings (speach) and especially the precious assortment of words derived using the prefix "Hill", like Hillfamily, and Hillblinders.

At times it looked as if only four or five original writers were responsible for all the posts, judging from grammar, syntax, and spelling.

[RoyGBiv]

70. That's the impression I got ...

Before a purge seemed to take place, I found five specific posters who were accounting for at least half the posts, and a lot of those who responded to them had similar (if not identical) posting styles.

And there's no accounting for the "egg it on" factor. I've no doubt some of the more legitimate malcontents wouldn't have said a word if not for the massive number of complaints.

There's another hard to analyze thing too.

Compare what was happening on the blog with what was taking place on DU at the same time. The primary war has been vicious here, and die-hards remain, but the tone and tenor of this place changed in an instant ... and not entirely because mods were having to prowl every thread to delete things. In general, people were calming down and being civil. Why would that happen only here?

In any case, whatever is actually going on over there, I strongly doubt it is representative of what is taking place among the majority of Americans.

[NYC_SKP]

75. Agreed, and actually a couple pro-Obama comments made it on today.

Here is the most recent reply to the top post on the main blog.hillaryclinton.com page:

<snip>
Hillary and Obama stand for ending the war in Iraq before more of our daughters and sons are brutally murdered. Voting for McCain means voting for a continuation of war. Voting for McCain means a conservative on the Supreme Court. Voting for McCain means green energy issues and womens issues will be ignored.

Your bitterness does not speak well for what Hillary stands for and fought for. I am sorry that you are not able to see it for what it is.

Bless all of you and may you eventually see that the issues are bigger than any of us. What matters is our young people and our people unable to speak for themselves, children, mentally ill, impoverished and undereducated.

I will vote Obama to fight for the fundamentals of the democratic platform and I will continue to fight to have the DNC become accountable to the public. I abhor what happened but I will not risk one more American life because I am angry or hurt over their usurption of votes.

by Megan Michaels at 6/7/2008 7:36:18 PM

[roseBudd]

136. I noticed the same thing but my impression is this is a fan club, it has a definite

cult of personality bent. Still it is moderated. WTF?

I do think they have purposely limited the information they are exposed to, hence the kitchen sink parroting of things HRC said abot Obama, including Ayers & Wright, McCain loves America, etc.

[NYC_SKP]

155. Strange things there today

Very few negative comments and the last blog from yesterday ended with 784 entries, the last of which was quite positive toward Obama.
Today's entries look like a completely different forum.

Someone seems to have stepped in and done made some differences in policy, moderation, something.

[npincus]

23. Let's hope they're just venting.

[sfam]

25. I'm not surprised about the NOBAMA comments. I am surprised about the Vote McCain ones...

If Dems vote for McCain while saying he is more "qualified" - as is all the responses there, they are sort of saying that issues don't really matter to them. Who knows, that may be so. But hopefully after a few weeks or so, this talk of "Lets make Obama lose so Hillary can win in 2012" will sink home in terms of its actual meaning -

"Vote McCain 2008 for Hillary 2012!" means more soldiers die, more people lose their jobs, more years of no health care, etc.

They can't really mean that I think. I hope they don't anyways..

[MethuenProgressive]

34. The OP also complains they're posting: "... how great Hillary is."

:eyes:

[sfam]

38. I expect it to be filled with tributes to Hillary. No problem there... but the McCain stuff...

That really says they just don't care about issues. But again, perhaps this is short term stuff. My fear is they believe the absolute worst of Obama just as most Obama supporters want to believe the absolute worst of Hillary.

In other words, had Hillary won, we probably would be seeing similar things from Obama folks. This is the problem of being truly wedded to your candidate. The issues drop to far less importance for many.

EDIT: And if your comment is that the OP is a bit silly for being bugged at the praising Hillary stuff, I agree with you.

[MethuenProgressive]

35. dupe

:eyes:

[jgraz]

37. I signed up and posted there -- you should, too

My post suggested that all of the bloggers go down to their local mall and look at the teenagers there. Then imagine the boys dying in Iraq in 2 or 3 years and the girls dying from back-alley abortions.

Then they can decide if their egos and need for revenge is worth destroying the country over.


I sent it in 10 minutes ago. Let's see if it actually shows up.

[jgraz]

51. hmmm... it appears even mild pleas for unity are not being allowed on there

Makes you wonder how sincere they are about backing the Dem ticket... :shrug:

[Emit]

109. Did your post get deleted?

[jgraz]

113. I submitted several -- they were never displayed.

Mostly congratulating Hillary on a brilliant speech and saying let's move forward and kick McCain's ass. I guess that sort of unity is considered flamebait on hillaryclinton.com.

[Emit]

114. I could understand if that were one of the other sites mentioned here often

but, isn't this her campaign website? I find that unsettling. Wonder who's responsible for maintaining her website and if she is even aware of this.

[jgraz]

147. One more try this morning

Perhaps they just couldn't handle the volume yesterday.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

92. I did. I left a comment about how the entire blog was a disgrace.

And needed to be moderated or shut down. Funny thing is, my comment still hasn't shown up! Maybe it got moderated, irony of ironies. :grr:

[progetto]

41. just checked out 44 and HCF

it's going to take them some time to detox.

[RoyGBiv]

42. FYI - An Update

The comment thread that had over 1800 posts at the time you pointed us to it now has 738 as of 5:41 central time.

I was in the process of wading through a number of posts by a group of individuals noting similarities, and many of those posts are now gone. Not even the standard "violated terms of service" note is there.

Some purging seems to be taking place...

[OzarkDem]

43. Leave them alone

They are very disappointed in their party and have good reason to be.

Most of them will probably support Obama, but its healthy for Dem women to send our party and its leaders a very, very strong message to stop taking women voters for granted. I hope this brings a sea change in the Dem Party and gives Dem women equal opportunity they don't enjoy today.

[smiley_glad_hands]

46. Hill lost fair and square. eom

[OzarkDem]

77. and she has a base of supporters equal to Obama's

be nice if you want their support.

[roseBudd]

86. No she doesn't , if California 's primary were in June, Hillary would lose

[OzarkDem]

98. Onto ignore for you

:hi:

[havocmom]

107. Ignore all the posters you want, but the truth can't be ignored. HRC would have lost CA in June

The more we all saw of the horrid way that campaign was run and the lack of ANY moral compass in it, the more we were glad she was a sinking ship and outta money

[roseBudd]

129. The kitchen sink may have been her only chance but it severely damaged her in the process with

progressives. She pandered to low information and racist white votes in KY, PA & WV. She sold her soul. Many former supporters have lost all respect for the Clintons.

[CaptJasHook]

116. Can you just put me on ignore too? I have nothing good to say to you.

[smiley_glad_hands]

99. Why should I beg them to do what any sincere dem will do anyway?

[ima_sinnic]

91. Hillary lost because of her own incompetence and her own crappy campaign

... and the only message these vote extortionists are sending is that they are actually republicans, if they are going to vote for McCain. Women in the Democratic Party have every opportunity that men in the party have. They even have the opportunity to lose, and to lose GRACEFULLY, as Edwards, Kucinich, Biden, Richardson, and so very many before them have.

if these fake "feminists" are so concerned about "equal rights for women," why aren't they massing behind Cynthia McKinney?

[NotThisTime]

131. Incompetence is a strong word, she simply listened to the wrong advisors and the wrong advice

[EFerrari]

111. Dem women voters split about equally for Obama, in the first place.

In the second place, no one is taking us for granted -- that's leftover campaign baloney that's been in the sun too long.

[CreekDog]

138. I don't believe most of the outrageous posts are actual Hillary supporters

I just don't buy it. Most of my relatives were Hillary supporters but they are happy to vote for him.

[Blue-Jay]

45. Don't believe it.

If we look at the recent polls, it appears as though ~20% of "Hillary voters" are promising to vote for McCain. Some of those were never Democrats to begin with (thanks Rush, you fuckin' dick!), and quite a few others are experiencing what I'll call primary withdrawal, and will end up voting in November for the candidate with the platform that is most similar to Sen Clinton's. (Give them some time, they'll come around with the much-needed help of Sen Clinton herself...)

There are also some former Democrats who will NEVER vote for a "nigger" (yeah I said it, because it needs to be said). And you know what? FUCK them! We don't fucking want them in our party.

Of the aforementioned ~20%, I predict that we'll get the vast majority of them back (probably 3/4), and we should welcome them and be as gracious as Sen Clinton was today.

The rest? Get prepared for an ass-kicking. No amount of fake-ass calls to the rogue's gallery of AM radio jerkoffs is going to help you. You're going to hear a lot of media coverage about people like that, but don't believe it. Never give up. Never give in.

[AlCzervik]

47. Well said Shitbrick.

:thumbsup:

[Blue-Jay]

50. Snootchie bootchies!

[FloridaJudy]

78. Look at the math

If 20% of Senator Clinton's supporters are acting like spoiled brats, that means 80% are grown-ups, or at least know how to play one in public. I look forward to working with that overwhelming majority in the near future.

Hillary showed a lot of class today. I believe that most of her followers can do so as well.

[Auntie Bush]

48. Let her supporters get it out of their system.

I wonder if Obama had just conceded if there would be negative or hateful comments? Her passionate supporters NEED time to decompress. Be compassionate and understanding of what they are going through and feeling.

[cottonseed]

54. I feel for them. I really do.

After a few days, they need to go through this site and start purging the McCain and Republican party advocacy posts.

Hillary is a major Democratic figure. Her Web site at hillaryclinton.com and blog at blog.hillaryclinton.com is visited by hundreds of thousands of people the world over. I understand there needs to be a mourning period, and some time for her most dedicated members to work things out online, but in a few days, after already suspending her campaign and pledging to work for the Democratic party, she needs to begin moderating (re: cleaning up) her blog's comments sections.

The advocacy for writing in Hillary, voting McCain, and changing party affiliation is not helpful to say the least. Let's please go out and kick McCain's ass this election.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

82. They need to be purging it NOW and they should have been doing it all along

It speaks volumes of the sheer incompetence, disorganization, and lack of professionalism that is rampant throughout the Clinton campaign that those comments are allowed to stand.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

72. Let them do it on other blogs then.

Allowing angry supporters to vent themselves on her OFFICIAL website sends a message that is inconsistent with her speech this morning.

You are probably right that there would be ugly comments on the Obama site were the situations reversed, but the crucial difference is that the Obama campaign has always done a very good job of moderating its blog and those comments would be deleted. There is simply no excuse for page after page of bitter vitriol toward the Democratic nominee on a campaign blog that is supposed to be moderated.

[Auntie Bush]

97. This place is moderated too

and I've seen some pretty hateful comments.

[Blarch]

49. she created a monster she has no control over.

[roseBudd]

87. she stoked their emotions

[cottonseed]

53. I posted about this yesterday. It is an important issue. That blog needs moderation.

Hillary is a major Democratic figure. Her Web site at hillaryclinton.com and blog at blog.hillaryclinton.com is visited by hundreds of thousands of people the world over. I understand there needs to be a mourning period, and some time for her most dedicated members to work things out online, but after tomorrow, after conceding/suspending and pledging to work for the Democratic party this election, she needs to begin moderating (read: cleaning up) her blog's comments sections.

The advocacy for writing in Hillary, voting McCain, and changing party affiliation is not helpful to say the least. Let's please go out and kick McCain's ass this election.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6308389&mesg_id=6308389

[Blue Diadem]

56. I've been watching it for a couple days now,

I've been shocked at them allowing some of the links I've seen and allowing posters to promote a Republican.

I realize those who support her are upset, but IMO posts promoting party change, links that are filled with lies about another democratic candidate and posts encouraging voting for Republicans should be handled swiftly.

I was on the Kerry blog in 2004 and I remember the moderation with strict rules regarding such things.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

80. Thank you. Those comments are on there for the entire world to see.

I find it unbelievable that people here on DU, who would never tolerate an onslaught of freeper trolls while the mods sat idly by, are making excuses for the unending spew of vitriol toward our Democratic nominee on Hillary Clinton's official blog. I don't care if they are Operation Chaos dittoheads or genuine supporters who "need time to heal", the kibosh needs to be put on that shit.

[Clear Blue Sky]

58. She only dropped out today.

Give her supporters some time to deal with this. Right now they are venting.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

69. No. The Clinton campaign needs to take control of its own blog.

Those people are entitled to feel whatever way they want but if Hillary Clinton really intends to support Barack Obama 100%, as she claimed this morning, then she needs to not allow her angry supporters to use her offical website to vent their frustrations. That is inconsistent with her message of party unity. Let them post on Hillary is 44 or the Hillary Clinton forum, which are not associated with her campaign. That blog needs to be moderated or shut down.

[sampsonblk]

61. There are some very..."unusual" people on that site. - nt

[Geek_Girl]

63. It's most likely a bunch of RW Freeptards Trolling her blog, trying to stir up shit

nt

[GoesTo11]

65. 97 pages there before there's a single pro-unity comment

I read down - this is the version after the mods there took out 1000 posts - and just wanted to see how far I'd get until there was a single person saying they would even vote for Obama. Then I page upped from there back to the beginning to see how many posts there were. I did page up 97 times to get from that comment back to the beginning, so maybe 400 negative comments before the first pro-unity one. Of the negative comments, about 1/3 are merely praising Clinton and saying they'll support her forever, 1/3 are saying they'll never vote for Obama, and 1/3 are saying they'll vote for McCain ("Rain McCain" they say). They are also saying that the way to get HRC elected in 2012 is to have McCain now. They are being absolutely explicit about it, with organizing links etc. If this is McCain dirty tricks, they are very good at it. But I don't see how there could be 0 pro-unity posts out of 400 - there would have to be some sincere HRC supporters posting there out of 400, but all the posts were negative. What the hell is going on?

[RoyGBiv]

71. Can't let go, can you ...

You understand you're part of the problem, right?

Have you *seen* what has been taking place on DU today, other than in the relatively few threads like these? Actually, I shouldn't even say "in threads like these" because the tone even here is far removed from what it was even a week ago, when the front page was littered with vicious bile. Have you noted the volume of the good will? Do you care?

I'll ask again. What is the point of this? If some idiots, whatever their true purpose, want to make asses of themselves, why not let them and ignore them and then try yourself to take part in something positive? Really...

[Colobo]

137. Do you agree with what they're saying?

[99th_Monkey]

74. I'm sad to hear that. But if they REALLY love Hillary and a REAL Democrats, they'll come around.

so I'm not too worried about this yet... time will tell I guess ... It's certainly something to be
tracking. Thanks for your post./

[Orsino]

79. 1800 posts from all 500 people who'll refuse to vote for Obama...

...or who still want to say they won't. If Obama wasn't enough of a draw, Clinton will bring the rest--all but the few haters who were never in it for sake of the nation.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

81. Stop Trying To Sour The Good Will Being Spread Around Today.

We all know there are fringe zealots that are posting stupid shit on her blog that will not be easily swayed. But instead of focusing on that fringe crap, how bout you look around you and let in, and let others enjoy, the sincere good will and feelings that are all around the party right now. Focusing on the exceptions is just dumb and in my opinion an attempt to snatch the positive vibe from the air for sake of bringing back divisive negativity. But we see through it, and won't let this dumb crap sway us.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

89. It's not a "fringe". It's page after page of ugly vitriol, thousands of posts.

On Hillary Clinton's official blog. We're not talking Taylor Marsh, or No Quarter, or Hillary is 44 here. Those sites are independent of the Clinton campaign. Hillary Clinton's official blog is not. It's inexcusable, and indicative of a sloppy and unprofessional organization that, quite frankly, deserved to lose.

[crankychatter]

93. that shit's duck paddling under the surface right here - nt

.

[Emit]

117. Who's we?

:shrug:

[cottonseed]

151. You Need To Butt Out Of Something You Don't Understand

hillaryclinton.com represents a giant in the Democratic party. Her moderated blog is acting now as a McCain advocacy site. It is no different than continuing to run television ads urging voters to register as independents, write in Hillary, or vote McCain. Worse yet, they're using Hillary's blog to actively organize against the Democratic nominee.

[Phred42]

88. Those 1800 people NEVER were Democrats

They were CULT members of the Republican-lite DLC

They no longer matter - Phuck em

They can now come out of the Closet and declare they are the Republicans they've always been

[alteredstate]

90. Wow. I wish I hadn't peeked at that site.

;(

[lojasmo]

95. 1800 posts by 300 people. Fuck every one. EOM

No way I'm going to that shit hole.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

103. Representing 0.0001% of the Electorate...

...and they were voting for McCain anyway. Let them rant.

[lojasmo]

130. yup

[endelfam]

100. malicious blog....

The problem is not what's on the site. It's what posts the moderators are blocking. I have a good friend, a Hillary supporter, who's posted there occasionally before. She tried to put up a post supporting HC's speech but she was apparently blocked. Another friend of hers had the same results.

I had also tried to do a "unity" post but wasn't surprised to be blocked since I had no prior history of posting there. I've heard the same from others.

My guess is that Hillary has no idea what is going down at this point. But someone better step in and do something before Fox news pays a visit to the site.

[Peacetrain]

101. There are a 1000 self appointed disruptor's out there

and just enough fringe ..but it is about disruption.. and using it for disembodied talking heads of radio and crank tv commentators.. this is the next phase..

[and-justice-for-all]

104. It is a really sad thing to read...

Those folks are so distraught that HRC did not get the nomination, they are willing to cast out Obama and the entire country. Pathetic!

I was not HRC fan, but if she got the nomination I would have voted for her. I would have voted for any of the Democratic nominees in November.

I also doubt the legitimacy of those posting the "We wont vote for BHO, ever." they seem to have rather peculiar similarity.

[featherman]

106. Some sincere, angry and deluded being egged on by a few GOP operatives

posing as HRC supporters in a classic wedge operation. Standard operating procedure. "I've registered at JohnMccain.com and you should too. McCain 2008, Hillary 2012" blah, blah, blah. It may gain a handful of votes for McCain from the naive, stupid, and angry but... what true Democrat could stomach a subscription to a GOP blog for long? Nobody we want on our side anyway. Bigger fish to fry this year.

[jenmito]

105. I signed up and tried to post a post saying Hillary wants us to unite behind

Obama and if we don't vote for Obama, she'll be blamed for his loss and she won't win next time, and my post didn't show up. I tried a similar post and THAT didn't get posted, either. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

112. It could just be that their mods are overwhelmed right now.

:shrug:

[RedLetterRev]

108. After a long hiatus...

I've returned to DU. Thank goodness that goodwill and actual moderation (what a freakin' concept) predominate here. The same kind of incompetence as being displayed by the HRC official-blog moderators has also been going on over at Kicking Ass. The "I'll vote for McCain" screeches started there pretty soon after operation chaos got going.

Quelle surprise :sarcasm:

KA has been slowly dying since 2004, sad to say. A lack of moderation and through several changes of staff, they've never managed to get ahead of the Sybil-trolls (ones who log on under four or five names and talk to "each other") and the software has only gotten worse. As much as I have volunteered to write code, donate time and effort, lend a hand (as have quite a few other PHP-savvy Dems) no such offer to help improve the blog was even once dignified with so much as a "thanks but no thanks". To any of us. Ever.

Sad to see that the same invasion has taken place on HRC's official blog, and sadder to read that there's no more control over it than has taken place at KA. No, I won't go read over her official blog... the vitriolic Sybil-posts at KA have already made my eyes bleed, let alone what's been cross-posted at DU as samples. I've gotta believe that most of the screaming posts are RW war-room Sybil-trolls (several login-names using "free speach" whilst vehemently agreeing with one another, yah, there's ya a tip-off). (Is English a totally dead language amongst the RW?)

I want to believe that the entire of Hillary's voters haven't collectively lost their minds. McKook as an alternative is too scary to contemplate. (As Arianna Huffington put it : any candidate who wants to continue the failed Bush policies shouldn't be allowed to have the sharp scissors, let alone be in the WH). I can't bring myself to believe that there is some "majority" (like say, more than 300 people, minus some percentage of Sybil-trolls) will vote for McKook for spite. That's a RW reaction ("If I don't get my way, ALL my way, and RIGHT NOW!!! I'll haul off and do something truly destructive to myself and my fellow citizens"). Most Progressive folks I know, when faced with a disappointment such as Hillary's loss, would say, "OK, Plan B. We'll take what we've got and work with it." Lemons to lemonade, that sort of thing. RW'ers have fall-out-in-the-floor, chew-the-carpet tantrums. Not that Progressives don't (I can rant with the best :(), but show-your-ass fits are pretty rare.

I just don't buy an en-masse mental collapse. I'm very suspicious of Sybil-trolls (having seen enough at KA). I hope that her official-blog admins learn from the slow and painful demise of Kicking Ass. If they let trolling go on long enough, then good people with positive things to do for the Progressive cause will go find a place (DU, Kos, HuffPo, BlueNC and a host of other fine venues) to participate. (To wit: here am I.) The trolls will remain, even past their usefulness to the RW. For them, it's an adrenaline-addiction they'll never shake. For once-fine venues, it is a sure and short path to irrelevance. It's really sad when RW freeptards can claim responsibility (deserved or not) for shutting down Democratic and Progressive blogs. Hope Hill clamps down before it's too late.

And thanks for having me back. It's good to be "home" again. :toast: to DU and DUers.

[paulk]

110. it's the obama daily outrage krew, I see

it's an addiction

[CaptJasHook]

115. If you want your blood up

Check out Hillaryis44 or this one http://www.hcsfjm.com/

I can't believe how stupid and spiteful some people can be.

:tinfoilhat:

[progetto]

120. Some of these sites may well be just repug fronts n/t

[PatGund]

150. How Ironic.....

The big banner on top saying "We DO NOT ALLOW ANY OBAMA LIES here", when their entire stock and trade IS Obama lies. Just like NoQuarter has devolved into.

[milkyway]

118. Like rightwing sites, the commenters are incoherent and have only a crude ability to use the english

language.

I have noticed for a long time in mainstream sites that draw commenters of both the left and right that progressive/dem commenters are much better able to think and express themselves. The commenters at Hillary's blog, and those at hillaryis44, are very much like rightwing extremists--full of insult and vitriol, and utterly lacking in any evidence for their incoherent ramblings.

[cornermouse]

121. Did you ever hear of the concept of "live and let live" or

"mind your own business"?

If you want to push what has become the common line on DU that "the candidate isn't responsible for what their supporters say (thus freeing themselves from taking responsibility for their words and actions on DU) and it shouldn't affect your vote", then you have to find a way to accept whatever is going on elsewhere. To do anything else is blatant hypocrisy and a double standard (something every woman knows far too much about).

[dorkulon]

124. But this isn't about Hillary, it's about her supporters. /nt

[cornermouse]

125. And you're going to do what?

Track every single one of them down to their home computer and cut off their access to the internet for the rest of their lives or until they agree to vote for Obama with a smile on their faces? You've lost your collective minds.

[BeeBoppinLula]

126. uh, Hillary got as many votes as O, so you don't really determine if she "stays welcome" in the part

party. jeezus christ, you act like O won 70-30 or something.

[TexasObserver]

127. he did, if you remove all the Republicans and DINOs who voted Hillary

Take out her Republicans who are never going to vote for her the fall votes, and he did beat her about 60-40. You conveniently failed to include in your calculus the caucus states.

[Honeycombe8]

128. Anyone, incl. Limpball's Repub "chaos" voters, can post there. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

139. No surprise but I give Hillary minor props 4 her unity speech, although a day late & a dollar short.

[Why Syzygy]

142. I think the radical Clinton supporter sites have been heavily infilatrated

by RW operatives. They are TOO gung ho to vote for McShame. I reckon some of them will wake up to the fact that they are being played like a cheap two string banjo.

[wisteria]

144. They have a couple of months to get over their disappointment. Let them vent. n/t

[JVS]

145. This is not surprising; her campaign cultivated poor loserdom from Iowa on.

[cornermouse]

146. Paging Dr. Freud. Paging Dr. Sigmund Freud.

You are needed in GD-P immediately. Mass denial in progress. Paging Dr. Freud. Dr Sigmund Freud.

[GoesTo11]

148. Seems they have gotten the message

There's one last new thread, 39 posts, all normal. And then it appears the blog has been frozen.

Probably got completely hijacked by "mods" who were really Op Chaos type disruptors. In fact, this is strong evidence of dirty tricks.

Someone at the Clinton campaign has figured it out and apparently stopped the problem.

Good work Clinton campaign. A fine step toward unity. Thanks from your party.

[Puzzler]

154. Hillary supporers who say that they're going to vote for McCain...

... clearly don't give a rat's ass about the core Democtatic issues that Hillary stands for.

[Beacool]

157. Why is it shocking?

Her supporters are just expressing their views on her site. Don't go there if you don't want to read how people truly feel about this primary. I don't go to Obama's site, what for?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

161. Wednesday. nt

[cottonseed]

163. The are actively advocation for McCain's campaign. On hillaryclinton.com.

It's an issue. It's not venting any longer. The blog is moderated and someone in her campaign is pressing "approve" on each of these posts. They're organizing against Obama and advocating leaving the Democratic party. It's not hate on Hillary, it's people concerned that her blog is no longer serving a useful purpose. There are many independent sites that can be used, not the blog belonging to the biggest name in the Democratic party.

[Beacool]

164. Her supporters are expressing their feelings.

I imagine that Obama's supporters have expressed themselves negatively against Hillary on his site just like they do here, or am I wrong?

As for many changing party affiliation to Independent, that's true and I know several who have done so already.

[cottonseed]

167. Expressing feelings includes actively organizing for McCain?

on hillaryclinton.com?

Look, I don't care if people lash out at Obama, register as independent, rail against the media for it's sexism during this race, openly talk about what could have been. It doesn't bother me. What does, is that Hillary's Web site is a major media destination and some posters are actively advocating for John McCain. In some cases, organizing. What bother me is that these are moderated forums. I'm not advocating a blackout of criticism of Obama, but some of the stuff there is lain ridiculous.

[TexasObserver]

166. Well, in her defense, her organization runs so poorly, maybe they never were told.

In fact, the boards over there are probably run by volunteers, many of whom are GOP operatives who were only too happy to be in charge of posting there.

[cottonseed]

168. I would not doubt that.

This stuff isn't rocket science though... I could go in and clean up some of that garbage in a little over an hour.

[Zavulon]

162. They have the same sense of entitlement she does.

Since I don't see how any even remotely competent candidate can lose to McStain, this doesn't bother me at all. I laugh at the whining Hillbots and wish I could see them cry.

[knixphan]

165. for every sore loser who leaves the Dems

let's replace 'em with TWO new registered voters.

Got it, folks?

Let's go. All your unregistered friends and family are hereby called out.