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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:24 PM
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McCain: "I Hate War" (OMG, he can't be serious)
New McCain General Election Ad: "I Hate War"

Peace With Honor

It took me a little while to figure out what this http://digbysblog.blogspot.com">new John McCain ad reminded me of.

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"Only a fool or a fraud talks tough or romantically about war," McCain tells the camera. "I was shot down over Vietnam and spent five years as a POW. Some of the friends I served with never came home. I hate war. And I know how terrible its costs are."

Never mind that McCain routinely romanticizes war, such as in his books like Faith of My Fathers or Worth The Fighting For (yes, for some reason there's a "the" in there). But let's try and determine what's really going on here. In the midst of a war he's cheerleaded for five years, he comes out and tells us how much he hates war, leaving unsaid any desiresor strategies to end the current one.

It reminded me an awful lot of this Richard Nixon ad from 1968:

(Video: Nixon commercial)


Nixon talked in slightly more explicit terms about new leadership and an honorable end to Vietnam. But there was no substance behind the talk. While the visual styles are different, each suited to its time period, these are basically the same ads. Rick Perlstein writes about the Nixon ads in his book Nixonland on page 333:

Nixon's commercials would run without narration as well. The sound would only be music and snippets from stump speeches. The images, rapid-fire collages of still photographs, told the story just as effectively with the sound off, a visual semaphore. TV specialist Harry Treleaven was so proud of their aesthetic force that he screened them for curators at the Museum of Modern Art, hoping they might be added to the collection. The aesthetes were unimpressed: "The good guys are either soldiers, children, or over fifty years old." It was a telling moment: that's why Treleaven believed they belonged in the museum. He responded, "Nixon has not only developed the use of the platitude, he's raised it to an art form" - a mirror of Americans' "delightful misconceptions of themselves and their country." (He meant it as a compliment.) (Gene, the combat photographer who created the spots) Jones's assistant imagined staging the State of the Union the same way - intercut with heart-tugging stills.

While McCain's spots have that personal touch of narration, they really are meant to evoke the same "delightful misconceptions" - meant to make the viewer feel good instead of informed about any agenda or plan for the future. If you felt good about Nixon pursuing an honorable end to the war in Vietnam, you were comfortable with his escalation into Cambodia and carper-bombing of the North. If you feel satisfied with McCain's explanation about his hatred of war, you won't mind so much when he declares it approximately once every 28.4 seconds upon reaching the Oval Office.

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Last year, the RW National Review contemplated who among the Repub candidates would be able to run an ad similar to Peace with Honor:

Nixon '68 (Jonah Goldberg)

Brink Lindsey and Ross Douthat see past as prologue in this Nixon ad calling for an honorable end to the Vietnam war.

They might be right. But, this raises an interesting question: Which Democrat could plausibly run such an ad? Frankly, with the exception of Joe Lieberman, it's hard to see how any of them could play the Nixonian peace-with-honor card. That's because the analogy breaks down when you look at the nature of the two parties, both in '68 and today. Vietnam spelled the end of Democratic hawkish internationalism and, to a certain extent, the beginning of a new Republican era of hawkish internationalism (there are important caveats to be made about the GOP, but irrelevant to this discussion).

When Richard Nixon promised an "honorable end" to the Vietnam war it had specific resonance because of Nixon's record as an anti-Communist hawk. Anti-Communists trusted that Nixon understood the real threat of Communism. Hillary may have — until recently — burnished her hawkish credentials, but she's hardly a Democratic Nixon. And her supporters are hardly the war-on-terror equivalent of raging anti-Communists. Does anyone think that Hillary is particularly passionate about the Islamist threat? Is there anything like a Nixon-to-China move she could pull off? And the rest of the Democratic field is far more dovish than Hillary.

The irony here is that the most likely candidate to run the most persuasive Nixonian strategy would be one of several Republicans. McCain, Giuliani, Romney, Thompson or even (especially?) Gingrich could all pull off this sort of ad better than any of the Democrats. Of course, it would have to be a bit more subtle. But the point remains that the '08 Democrats — their real advantages notwithstanding — are not poised to be the Republicans of '68.


McCain hates war?

Kerry: "when McCain disavows diplomacy, he is stacking the deck in favor of war."

McCain on Iraq


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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:30 PM
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1. Oh yeah...
I know someone who has supported every war the U.S. has ever started who says "nobody likes war" which is hogwash.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:27 PM
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11. On every issue, McCain is all talk,
and completely inconsistent.



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progetto Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:42 PM
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20. interesting comparison.
America was expecting an end to Vietnam, but Nixon's "peace with honor" was really just a cynical lie. If it was known that the war would lasted all through Nixon's administration he'd have lost the election in '68.

McSame is going down the same path.

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:38 PM
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2. ....but I like killing people, said McSame to Lieberman....
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Goat or Panic Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:42 PM
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3. McCain
He don't like the war.
But the war likes him
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:43 PM
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4. sure he does hate war. Heh.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:43 PM
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5. war hero mcbush gets $5k a month....full disability...
$60 grand a year. Tax free...It's called 'having thy cake and eating thy cake too'....something only the well to do understand, being different from us plebes...
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pension22apr22,1,6562984.story
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:40 AM
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17. How can you be disabled and have full time job? this country is ass backwards
and why does he take the money?
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:01 AM
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18. Jeff Farias (NovaM radio) was talking about this...
it is wrong on so many levels...If John was poor, or even middle class- then hooray for a good, no strings attached pension, but mr pig has 9 HOMES! NINE! And he advocates for wealth and power over the lesser majority- and he sneaks around doing it.
I hope he's elected the next president. IF the USA allowed it, it would deserve his mindless stupid mentality
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:09 PM
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6. His plan for fighting terrorism is...
to drop bombs around the world until he hits a terrorist. However, his only reason for wanting to drop bombs around the world is to fight terrorism and he hates terrorism. QED.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:11 PM
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7. And Obama hates war even more. So vote for Obama.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:11 PM
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8. McCain loves war and making new veterans.



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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:25 PM
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9. Finish the quote. "I hate war, but it's all I know."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:34 PM
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10. Best part about Obama vs. McCain:
It's time to hold the Republicans accountable for the war, and then end it.

One fact about the GE: The hard core Repubs don't care about making life better for all Americans. They're going to vote for McCain, McConnell and the other Repubs no matter what. McCain will play up Iraq, and Obama will slam him on it.



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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:39 AM
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12. He also said it in his recent speech that pre-empted Obama's acceptance speech
I put it in this compilation of both speeches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4HT6-PFsc
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:19 AM
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13. Very cool video. Thanks. n/t
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:24 AM
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14. its hard to argue with the man when he says he hates war....
considering what happened to him in vietnam.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:26 AM
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15. This new commercial he has put out with this line GIVES ME A FREAKING HEADACHE
He's such a horrid liar....
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:29 AM
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16. Sure he does. He was dropping parcels of candy on the Vietnamese.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:51 AM
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19. The unhappy warrior

The unhappy warrior

By JONATHAN MARTIN | 6/8/08 6:51 AM EST

Openly frustrated by what they see as an ongoing double standard in the press’s treatment of his campaign, Sen. John McCain and his aides have been aggressively denouncing unfavorable stories as “smear jobs” and “scurrilous attacks,” while the candidate himself has launched a series of stinging attacks on Sen. Barack Obama.

It’s a dangerous posture for a candidate whose political success is intimately tied with his image as an irrepressible happy warrior — equal parts President Ronald Reagan and Vice President Hubert Humphrey, with a dash of his old Arizona buddy Rep. Mo Udall’s sharp sense of humor — and whose appeal to independents owes nearly as much to character and personal narrative as to issues and ideology.

For McCain and his small coterie of fiercely loyal advisers, it’s a fine line to walk. Having clinched the party’s nomination in early March, his campaign has spent the last several months finding ways to insert itself into a press narrative that’s been dominated by the just-ended Democratic fight. To that end, they picked up and extended the media-guilting campaign begun by Hillary Clinton and "Saturday Night Live" and sharpened their critique of Obama.

But in doing so, they’ve already raised the question of whether McCain can maintain his upbeat warrior image while running an uphill race against an opponent for whom the candidate can barely conceal his contempt, and covered by a press the campaign sees as biased.

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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:47 PM
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21. noone loves war, McFuckface, but you THRIVE on it!!
Sorry for the crudeness but I saw this ad and I felt nauseous. You can just tell how much he's having to act - he doesn't mean a damn word of it! (Except the part of having to keep it going).
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