22% of Hillary supporters will not vote for Barack Obama ??

[kentuck]

I saw this poll a couple of days ago. Also, they said that 12% of the total Democrats would not vote for Obama? I wonder if that number has changed today?

But, if less than 12% of the Democrats vote for Obama, I would guess we would still come out ahead? Because I would bet that more than 12% of the Republicans will not vote for John McCain. But I never saw a poll about that number??

I really do not believe this is a big problem. There are many more disenchanted Republicans than Democrats. Look at just the number that was reported to have switched Parties in PA alone. As Dick Cheney once said about al Qaeda in Iraq, they are in their "last throes". Although the last 8 years have been unbearable for many of us, it had the effect of giving the Republicans enough rope to hang themselves with. I, for one, will rejoice at the demise of this Republican Party. They have betrayed our country and all their supporters. It will be interesting to see just how many stay with this bankrupt, incompetent, and criminal political "Party"?

[cynatnite]

1. I think it'll change considerably over the next month or so...

If Hillary is given the VP slot it will probably almost disappear. If not...I'm prepared to give them time up until they vote. If they vote for McCain over Hillary...well, they weren't real Hillary supporters to begin with, IMO.

[papau]

2. there are even polls that break that 12% of all Dems down - 5% are racist - the rest wait for HillVP

[progetto]

31. Polling will under-report racism in the GE

Obama will need to compensate with strong support from independents.

[KingFlorez]

3. This election is about issues

All the issues you mentioned weigh very seriously on people's minds and are what will drive them to the polls. Granted, there are some Clinton supporters who might be petty, but the majority will turn out for Obama.

[JoFerret]

4. Unuseful and irrelevant

Why bother posting?

[kentuck]

5. Is that your opinion or do you have some facts to back it up?

Why bother answering?

[JoFerret]

7. facts?

a poll taken a few days ago is a "fact" that has relevance?

[kentuck]

Why don't you say what you really mean?

The poll was taken yesterday or the day before. Totally irrelevant? Perhaps? This would not be the first irrelevant post on DU. Do you agree with that? :shrug:

[JoFerret]

16. Why bother posting? (is what I really mean)

but you are dead right about posts and threads. And I have made many such.

[TahitiNut]

10. It is 3 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes and 24 seconds until Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 12:00:00 Noon ..

It is 3 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes and 24 seconds until Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 12:00:00 Noon (Washington DC time)

[EFerrari]

6. I agree with you that is an insignificant number and, it may not reflect

what our numbers will be going into the election.

This party is on a fair way to healing many divides this year. Gender, ethnic, roots v insiders. It's going to be great. :)

[justinsb]

8. It's not a big problem

We typically associate it with Republicans but the Dems have historically also had a problem with race.

Remember, once upon a time, about the 1860s the Dems were the party that supported slavery. The Southern States were solidly Dem for 100 years - until desegregation and the voting rights act. This is just the purging of the last of the racists from the party. While 12% of Dems may not vote for Obama he is bringing hundreds of thousands of new voters in - young people, disenfranchised blacks and others. There are also a significant number of 'Republicans for Obama'.

The Primary fight, vicious as it was, was more than Obama vs Clinton - it was a (long overdue) reshaping of the Democratic party, the fall of the DLC, the purging of PACs, Lobbyists and others who ultimately corrupted Democratic policies and (as I said above) the purging of the last of the Racists from the party. Replacing what was lost are people who formerly felt their voices didn't matter.

It's a brand new day and their 'polling methods' haven't changed to accommodate the new Dem. coalition.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Even without the Hillary supporters, Obama will win in a walk.

All he has to do is to run as the unRepublican, just as he won being the unClinton.

[kentuck]

11. I think the story of the general campaign...

will be about how many Republicans voted for Obama. I suspect there will be a large number?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. I think the independents will hold the key. Whether (I), (R), or (D).

Americans are conformists. A sad, but true, fact. They will vote for the candidate that's most "acceptable" to most of the other voters.

As it is, most people, whatever their political designation are disgusted with the Republicans and want a change. They see McCain as just a continuation of the same regime however much he wants to distance himself from it.

All politics is local. What most see is their jobs in danger, high gas prices, an unending and unwinnable war, the deterioration of the infrastructure that surrounds them, and general incompetence in government. And, rightfully, they blame the Republicans more than the Democrats.

The few Democrats that won't vote for Obama, for any number reasons, (he's black, he's "inexperienced", too liberal, etc), will more likely sit it out than vote for McCain.

The few Republicans that will vote for Obama, will be dwarfed by the number of Republicans who will sit it out because McCain is too old, too conservative, too liberal, etc.

The left, long ignored, will turn out for Obama (if he doesn't stupidly accept Hillary as VP), because he's the unHillary.

Of course, Obama might strangle a kitten on national TV or get caught exposing himself to old ladies, but I doubt it.

[papau]

15. A unity ticket makes winning easier per the polls as Hill adds 5 to 8 points-but have at it your way

[Zhade]

41. Obama isn't stupid - he's not going to hand mcLame ammo like the Tuzla video.

Waaaaaaaaaay too easy for him to prove clinton a liar that way. Likewise, the video of her endorsing mcLame over Obama would undercut the ticket.

I seriously doubt Obama's that bad at strategy - a doubt supported by his beating the pants off clinton.

[niceypoo]

36. Without her supporters, he would lose by at least 22%

Dont delude yourself.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. Humbug. Even Hillary could mop the floor with McGoofy.

[napi21]

12. I think a lot of them will change over time. The emotions are still high

and the wounds are still very sore. Time heals all that. I'm not worried about any Hillary effect on this election. I'm much more worried about the potential Pub 527's and what's yet to come.

[dchill]

13. 22% of Hillary supporters would have voted...

for McCain in November. That's all I'm saying.

[Andy823]

14. I think polls will change

As time goes on. People need time to regroup and think about things, then I feel that most will be behind Obama.

[suston96]

17. Let's check numbers after the effects of this incomparible speech sink in.....

Clinton supporters may be disappointed but they surely do not want John McCain to appoint the next 3 or 4 justices to the US Supreme Court.

[DiverDave]

19. Fucking repukelicans

thats all they are, they only supported her because KKKarl wanted to run against her.
Oh, and Hillary for VP?.
More fodder for KKKarl, she isn't the best choice, My personal favorite is Bill Richardson, as the Hispanic vote is a HUGE chunk.

So, if they (the assholes saying they wont vote for Obama) say they wont, it's because they never intended to vote for the Democratic candidate anyway.

[MiniMe]

20. Give it a little time. It would have been the same way if the results were reversed.

There are still a lot of raw feelings right now.

[Hatchling]

21. Give it time.

I wasn't going to vote for him until today. I was planning on voting for Cynthia McKinney.

But Hillary's speech today convinced me to vote for him. I still don't like him, but I will respect Senator Clinton's wishes.

Meh. Maybe he will grow on me.

[bigwillq]

22. Give it time.

Let's give the Clinton supporters some time to get over the disappointing and emotional loss. I feel many will come around by Nov. 4.

[terrya]

27. Agreed. She just gave her concession speech a few hours ago.

Give it some time.

There are so many things hinging on this election...among them a chance to appoint a Supreme Court justice or two. That ALONE should sway the Clinton supporters who are disappointed right now.

[Carrieyazel]

23. Any firm evidence on why more than 12% of Repubes will go with Obama?

Repubes always manage to stick with their own at the end.

[anonymous171]

24. No candidate gets 100% of their party's vote.

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[LiberalFighter]

26. A polling this close the end of the primary and 2 months before the convention is worthless.

When people are given enough time they will heal and the party will pull together.

For those that have access to television media in your area contact them tell them you think they are a bunch of vultures trying to pick at dead meat.

[sampsonblk]

28. We'd still win. But this situation will improve rapidly

If only half of them are just mad about the primary campaign, we can expect them to get a grip by November.

Even if they don't we should still win big, and control the WH and both houses of Congress.

[dorktv]

29. I can see how they would not support him in the General.

Some of them are just furious over what has happened.

Others have geniune issues supporting him-experience, his policy proposals, yada yada yada.

And really the whole "but if you elect McCain the world will come to an end" meme is not going to work. We did the Anybody but and it failed. We need to have reasons to support the nominee, not "the other guy sucks ass."

[spanone]

30. when any true democrat enters the voting booth, they will vote democrat

[Hobarticus]

32. That number's suspect to begin with...

But I really believe that any informed voter knows what's at stake.

[MadBadger]

33. Are you thinking of the CNN poll that said 22% wont vote and 17% will vote for McCain?

It really isnt that bad since in that poll, Obama would have lead 59-35. So reall its 22% of 35.

[hardtoport]

35. If you look back at other primaries,

I'm sure you'll find that people always say this. John McCain is battling the " won't vote for him " wing of his party, too. I don't think hardcore wingnuts are going to vote Obama any more than I believe progressives are going to vote McCain.

Things will look different in a few months when the debates begin.

[Imagevision]

34. The condition of this country by the time of the GE. will certainly change sensible minds...

I believe Obama doesn't need Hillary to wipe the floor with McBush

[Blondiegrrl]

37. The number was 30 percent a couple of weeks ago. So I guess that's an improvement.

The rate will continue to drop as we come closer to November.

[mtnsnake]

39. I think a little time will will cure those poll numbers. Wait and see

Pretty soon the Right Wing is going to be launching fierce attacks on Obama. I think that once everyone is reminded of how horrific the Republicans are, they'll quickly start realizing that the Republicans are our enemy, not Barack Obama. Democrats are just too intelligent to let another Repuke sneak in the back door, despite any hard feelings that people might be having right now. There are some people who are extremely disappointed and embittered, and I think they're expressing it in those polls, but once a little time passes, I think that most of them will come around.

[Zhade]

40. Big talk. I doubt more than a handful of petulant online whiners will be that stupid.

They'll likely vote for Obama, even without clinton as his VP (I suspect she won't be).

[sandsavage]

42. Former Repub loving Obama

You might be surprised how many of us there are. Total disgust for the Repub Party for eight solid years does that to us. Then to have them run Mc Noddle was the final straw for others. My husband and I will no longer support the Republican Party (never again) Many folks our age 64 and 65 are voting for Obama. So the old, white and Native American will be there to support Obama.

Grief has several stages. Please just give Hillary's people time to heal. Be there for them in all these stages. Anyone that has ever lost a loved one or saw what they thought was there last chance of
of a dream almost a miracle coming true, can identify with there feelings.

My husband and I, also our friends have supported Obama from the get go. We would have been overwhelmed if he had not won.He is our hope and dreams for the future of the young. Hillary's people are hurting
just as we would have been. Let us keep that door open and stand in the door with arms wide open.

On a lighter note. I understand Mc Noodle is very superstitious. Let's steal his lucky shoes, lucky feather, lucky coins etc. He has a pocket full of lucky stuff. Turn his bed around so he can't find his lucky side of the bed. Hide all his lucky movies. I can't remember the rest. He needs all this stuff before any speaking engagements. Have to leave all that to you youngsters, I don't sneak so good anymore.