Flame away

[Rosemary2205]

put me on ignore if you must.

I supported Edwards then Obama, but I defended Hillary repeatedly through the primary season. IMHO it was 90% all part of the game - on all sides. Nothing done by either side really bothered me. I thought a lot of both of them and would be proud to vote for either in the GE. And, in spite of what others may think, I personally think it was pretty civil primary.

But, before GD-P is no more - I really just need to, I guess, embarrass myself by saying Hillary's behavior starting on Tuesday gives me a stomach ache. I've checked into DU a couple times this week but have most been so overwhelmed by life that I missed quite a lot. So I'm getting this out of my system now that everyone else is busy with "kumbaya".

I understand her ambition made it hard for her to just let something go that she fought so hard for - and she might need time to adjust to losing. But my God, anyone who won the Nom deserves better than to have runner up be introduced as "the next president of the united states" AFTER the Nom clinched. Add to that the historic nature of either one of them getting the Nom and that kind of disrespect by the other one just makes it turn my stomach more.

The other day, I heard about that midnight meeting they had, laughed on DU about how they were probably high fiving each other about how they kept all the media attention on the dems. I didn't know then about her thinking she was the next POTUS on Tues. before their meeting.

I'm glad Obama is being gracious and letting her have this time to be the biggest story. His time will come. Strategy wise it's smart to play ball for a while longer. I guess I'm just thinking he earned being the top story, and asking him to have to be gracious was rude. Not the end of the world, but pretty dang rude.

So hate on me all you must. I respect Hillary overall and was all set to hold hands and say Kumbaya. But after her choices this last week, I find I need more time.

[AllentownJake]

1. No Hate

I was pissed Tuesday but calmed down later in the week.

She dreamed of this for a long time so it must have been hard and I'm trying to empathize for the past week's behavior.

She redeemed herself today though in my eyes.

[cynatnite]

2. As I understand it, he intentionally stepped aside for the moment...

in order to give her the headline of the day.

[JoFerret]

10. If he wants to win

he had no choice. So of course he did the right thing.

[chimpymustgo]

50. Obama NEEDS Hillary 100%. He'd better let her have what she wants. A day to thank her supporters

and shine - really, is not too much to ask.

[JoFerret]

67. 36 million holes in the glass ceiling.

.

[loyalsister]

31. Because.....

I still burn, for example, with the thought of my one loss in politics.....
It was a race in which everything that could go wrong did go wrong, in which my own mistakes were compounded by tragedy and farce.......
And so, less then halfway through the campaign, I knew in my bones that I was going to lose. Each morning from that point forward I awoke with a vague sense of dread realizing that I would have to spend the day smiling and shaking hands and pretending everything was going according to plan.....
I'm not suggesting that politicians are unique in suffering such disappointments. It's just unlike most people, who have the luxury of licking their wounds privately, the politician's loss is in public display. There's the cheerful concession speech you have to make to a half empty ballroom, the brave face you put on as you comfort staff and supporters, the thank you calls to those who helped, and the awkward requests for further help in retiring debt. You perform these tasks as best you can, and yet- no matter how convincingly you attribute the loss to bad timing, or bad luck, or lack of money- it's impossible not to feel at some level as if you have been personally repudiated by the entire community, that you don't quite have what it takes, and that everywhere you go the word "loser" is flashing through people's minds. They're the sorts of feelings that most people haven't experienced since high school, when the girl you'd been pining over dismissed you with a joke in fron tof her friends, or you missed a pair of free throws with the big game on the line-- the kinds of feelings that most adults wisely organize their lives to avoid. -Barack Obama p. 105 "The Audacity of Hope"

He also writes pretty extensively about empathy in another chapter. He is being a congenial opponent. I for one am pleased to see these qualities shine through.

[Muttocracy]

3. I haven't seen today's speech yet but I don't see how 1 speech

can make up for months of writing ads for the McCain campaign, and her conduct last week.

And as far as being asked to donate to her sinking ship? No way. Let the millionare couple and the people who kept giving her money after it was pointless finish that off. Whatever money I can spare will go toward Congressional races and the Obama GE campaign.

[breakaleg]

4. I agree. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[JoFerret]

9. Too late. Hillary just set the agenda

Don't hang back.

[Rosemary2205]

11. The Nom should be setting the agenda.

As runner up she can repeat it and hammer it home. But the Nom and the party set the agenda -- and they have.

Hillary gave a great speech. But her power to "set the agenda" for the GE is over.

[JoFerret]

16. She just did

he can "reframe" or reword it as the current lingo has it.
But Hillary laid out the progressive agenda for the democratic party.
And we should all fight for that agenda to be the election platform.

[EFerrari]

20. Did you know that Obama is our nominee? Happened on Tuesday.

:party:

[JoFerret]

22. Yep. I absolutely realize that

And we will win in November with that clear agenda.

Have any problems with those issues being the planks of the election platform?

[EFerrari]

23. It's not up to Mrs. Clinton to set the agenda.

I'm sure she could do a very adequate job. But, it's not her decision nor her place to do it. and for you to continue to insist that she does isn't really in the spirit of this day or even, in the spirit of her speech, is it?

[JoFerret]

26. Too late.

I think it is very much in the spirit of her speech. We need to work our hearts out for the issues that matter. That means all of us. It's up to all of us to insist on the agenda of social and economic justice, health care for all, environmental and social progress, bring the troops home and end the war.

No back tracking centrism.

[EFerrari]

28. Thanks for making my point. n/t

[JoFerret]

29. Whatever your point was?

You didn't actually seem to have one.

[bvar22]

47. "health care for all"....

That's not what Hillary said.
Hillary said (repeatedly), "health insurance for all".
BIG DIFFERENCE and a windfall for her financiers. I will actively oppose THIS part of her "agenda".
As far as the rest, vanilla pablum that was supported by ALL 9 of the original candidates.

BTW: Obama set the agenda.
He threw the Lobbyists (Hill's friends) OUT of the DNC, endorsed Dean as chair of the DNC, and committed to a 50-state strategy (an anathema to the authoritarian Clinton DLC).


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[JoFerret]

56. So let's "re-frame" (dont you hate that word already?)

to mean universal single payer health insurance.

Let's do the right thing.

[bvar22]

62. I am absolutely with you on that..

Single Payer will have to be achieved in the Congress, and Obama with his feet held to the fire will sign it.

:toast:

[JoFerret]

66. Now that could be a great task for the "We are the ones" folk

Get something significant achieved in addition to the worship and blather.

[depakid]

17. Conventions are NOT stalinistic

They're for rigorous debate about the platform and in some cases, about who the nominee should be.

That's the nature of the system.

[JoFerret]

27. Indeed yes. And that's why we need to keep at the issues that matter

The ones that set us apart from the GOP and remain true to democratic values.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

12. When you see her speech you will feel the animosity and bitterness being sucked right out of you.

No kidding. I was extremely upset with Hillary for multiple things, and I really felt all that just being swept away. It is a new day and looking backward is pointless.

I hope you post again after you do see it and tell us if the grudge book didn't get wiped clean or close to it.

[Muttocracy]

64. nope, didn't change anything for me

(I think animosity and bitterness are a bit strong - I'm more incredibly annoyed by her whole campaign.)

First 5 minutes - about her, about people giving $ to her, about her 18 million voters, Hillary = fighter fighter fighter (I hate it when politicians say that generically)

First mention of Barack, not convincing, frowning, reading off script, weak applause from Bill. More like a floor statement on the senate than a call to action on his behalf.

Still seems to me like she was TOLD to give this speech by the NY congressional delegation and others. (NYTimes article today says she was going to wait 2 weeks to do this).

Hillary now has 40 years of public service/political experience

Contrast - speaking about her husband's administration with much more energy

Is there a reason she didn't say Gore's name?

Are some in the audience booing when she said yes we can, and his name?

The slip backwards line from NH again :eyes:

"my friends" ?!

And overall, it was mostly about her and women's struggles, and sort of an, oh well, guess we'll have to vote for him.

Even if she wanted to have the women's theme, why couldn't she have said, Barack Obama was raised by a strong independent-thinking mother and loving grandmother. He has a wonderful marriage to another strong woman, Michelle, and two lovely young daughters. Etc. I just thought of that off the top of my head. How hard would that level of detail have been?

I don't buy that this should have been a speech about her for her supporters. She already DID that on Tuesday.

It was an OK speech, but many days late, compelled by others, pretty predictable, and not a reason to vote for Obama except by default.

[Meshuga]

5. It's over. It's in the past...

The focus should be November and she is willing to help Obama win the White House. I welcome that.

[BklynChick]

6. ITA with you. I'm glad Hillary finally did it today and it was a great speech, but what she did on

Tuesday was unforgivable. Just because I'm happy about how she behaved today doesn't take away the anger I still feel for what happened on Tuesday which should have been an 100% shining moment for our presumptive nominee. And sad that it had to be a gang of her NY delegation and others to finally tell her about herself and MAKE her do the right thing.

[dana_b]

7. why should you be flamed?

that would be silly. It's perfectly fine to need more time. There were a lot of harsh things said on both sides (from us too) so it may take some time, and it may not come.

[davidwparker]

8. Hillary had every right to continue her campaign as long as she wanted.

Past Tuesday, it was difficult to see her not coming to grips with the reality of loosing. Her time, IMHO, was 2004 when she would have had it hands down. (All props to Dean.)

She should have been up front with NY and said 2004 would be a possibility and took her chances of not winning the senate seat.

:sarcasm:
It's not like she needed the money. $109 million in 7 years between them isn't bad.
:sarcasm:

[TBF]

13. Rosemary, I am no fan of Hillary's, and I didn't even watch her speech

until Skinner posted it. After reading his commentary I decided to give her a chance and I watched it. She did very well. She suspended her campaign and endorsed Obama. It's ok if you're not ready, but if you haven't watched the speech you may want to give it a chance. I could go on and on about mistakes she made during the campaign, but I have to say she did her job today and I was impressed. I may have even liked her a little bit.

[Cha]

14. I appreciate your thread, Rosemary.. Reality

is a wonderful thing especially after 8 long years of the bushite Orwellian nightmare.

Time will tell with hilary. My son on Kauai thought it was a great speech and was emotionally drained afterwards but said hilary will have to earn being trusted again.

[1Hippiechick]

15. I agree but got trashed on another thread. Everyone is just raving about her speech today

but I was underwhelmed by it all. It was all about her, about women's rights, about the historic significance of at least putting a crack in that glass ceiling for women--that a woman could at least be considered for president (I guess Obama was chopped liver and the fact he is a black man was not AS significant), etc., etc., ad nauseum. Throughout the campaign I tried to believe that it wasn't about women-supporting-Hillary-just-because-she's-a-woman, but her speech today confirmed that it was. I keep going back to the fact that Hillary's and Obama's platforms were almost identical, so why the sore losers? Add to that all the ugly videos of older women threatening to leave the party if Hillary didn't receive the nomination. What does that say about Party loyalty? Further, it shows her supporters to be governed by their emotions rather than adhering to and embracing the democratic process that was followed. It's Margaret flouncing home with her toys when Dennis doesn't do what she wants him to do in the Dennis the Menace comic strip. That behavior and attitude hurts ALL women and makes us appear disqualified to hold positions of leadership.

I sat here in disbelief as I listened to the talking heads discuss how wonderful her speech was and I'm thinking, 'Did they hear the same speech I did?" Throughout her "its-all-about-me-speech, she would toss in a phrase or two about Obama--of course, after she changed her tone to less than enthusiastic--but then it was right back to it's-all-about-me-speech. Only toward the very end of her speech did I think her speech took the tone that should have been emphasized throughout; namely, it's about the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and about the Democrats taking back the White House. Only toward the end did she ask her supporters to think about 'what could have been' had the Democrats been in the White House for the past 40 years. At that point, she was asking her supporters to focus on the fact that it is about supporting the DEMOCRATIC PARTY--points that should have been the focus of her speech rather than the closing comments. So, I am right up there with you, Rosemary. I am tired of hearing how all women and how Hillary have been disrespected in this campaign. I've already posted elsewhere that it was THEIR behavior that cast a pall on all women, regardless of party affiliation. I personally think her supporters' behavior has set the women's movement back. AND, I hold her responsible. My party wounds need time to recover from the damage she has inflicted on our party.
:puke:

[EFerrari]

18. Right there with you.

:hug:

:grouphug:

[ampad]

19. You are entitled to that

This is what pisses me off about some on this board. It is not going to happen overnight. The people who are so gun ho, well all of them are not going to transition to Obama overnight. Hillary ran her campaign for months and she put some pretty divisive shit out there. If it is going to take those people some time it is going to take those of us that were disgusted with her actions some time to forgive and forget. I'm not ready to forgive her nor do I have some new found respect for her because of what she done today. She was suppose to give that speech on Tuesday not days after. Praising her for her actions is like praising someone who proudly proclaims "well I take care of my kids" No shit you are suppose to take care of your kids. No shit Hillary is suppose to help unite the party. She is not suppose to come out having her surrogates announce her as the next POTUS, what bullshit. So you take your time and don't bother with those who tell you to move on already. We are entitled to our time just like they are.

[1Hippiechick]

21. Right on!

:headbang:

:yourock:

[fadedrose]

41. I not only need time, I really need to be drunk, drugged or senile

in order to forget my gripes . . .. .

Lots of time is needed. It would help to see Obama elected with no more interference from you know who and see him come through his first crisis. Maybe then we could breathe easier.

[marions ghost]

55. well said

If Hillary believes those fine words in her speech, she's going to have to continue to convince her followers to vote for Obama because she has done some real damage. The seeds of division were sown and watered and fertilized and we were treated to such surreal moments as McAwful's announcing her as "Next Prez" when it was indeed over. I am disgusted with the way she ran her campaign. She betrayed what should be Dem values. We could have called the speech a coup for her if we did not know what else we know...the dirty business

Oh sure, this bitching has to be over eventually for the sake of party unity. But some of us will not get around the campfire for kumbaya. Not after what we've witnessed in Hillary's sleazy campaign.

[Muttocracy]

65. thank you for that post

:thumbsup:

[truedelphi]

24. Rosemary, you have shown yourself to be a loyal and sensible

Person throughout this Primary hostility stuff.

And this is a very gracious post, also. It must be difficult to know that the person you believed in didnn't secure the nomination. I am not sure I coud handle Obama losing with the amount of diginity you demonstrate in this post.

Obama was someone whose campaign I reluctantly signed onto. He has won over my heart and soul in short order.

Whenever I forget why, he hands us something like his recent proclamation that there will be no PAC money or lobbyist money accepted any more.

I hope that he will win you over as well.
:toast:

[BooScout]

25. It's politics......and shes a lot more gracious than many...

Teddy Kennedy refused to concede to Carter and took his bid to be President to a floor fight at the Convention.

I'm just saying.

[Rosemary2205]

32. That actually would not bother me.

If they took this horse race all the way to the convention and did it with a straight face I would not mind in the least. I really wouldn't. Politics is politics and I've been around long enough to see some pretty nasty battles. Like I said, IMHO this one has been remarkably civil compared to some I've watched. Still, for all the talk of unity, I just don't think Hillary is going to go from "next president of the united states" on Tuesday and Kumbaya on Saturday.

As I said, I think she was rude on Tuesday. And honestly, if she wanted to fight until the convention then a little rudeness is called for. Just be straight up and say so. Acknowledge that the media has given Obama the title of presumptive nominee but she thinks a lot can happen between May and August.

Anyway, I guess I need more time because I don't trust the kumbaya part.

[gateley]

30. It's true that we Obama supporters need time to heal, too.

We've been hurt by what we've viewed as her betrayal to our Party. I don't know how we will deal with the "I'm prepared, John McCain is prepared, Obama has a speech" comment (which she repeated at least three times). The RNC is already using that in an ad.

I feel like a woman who has been cheated on repeatedly by her man - and kept giving him the benefit of the doubt each time. Maybe this time... But whenever I thought that about Hillary, she would do something again "as far as I know", that felt like another kick in the stomach.

I thought it was telling that so many of the people in her audience on Tuesday didn't even know that Obama had clinched, and she and Terry McA -- it seemed to me -- deliberately encouraged the belief that it wasn't over.

Her speech today was good, but I noticed she stopped smiling when she began talking about supporting Obama. She would look down a lot when saying his name. I didn't experience the same rush of hope that so many did. I'm afraid I still don't trust her.

So thank you for posting this thread, and thanks to all of you who share these feelings. I WANT to believe and trust her, but it will take time.

[fadedrose]

33. You're right

We Obama people do need time to heal. I admire the Hillary supporters. I feel she is not and was not worthy of their hard work, love and devotion.

I have many sore spots, one of which happened today. Her mini-speech in the middle of the big speech was about how some day a woman will win the presidency, how she managed to put cracks in the ceiling, etc.

In my opinion, she did not lose because she was a woman and I resent her using this as an excuse to blame the loss on the voters for their chauvinism instead of taking the responsibility upon herself. It is no picnic being black and just getting into the neighborhood, college, etc., that you want, forget about the presidency.

Her war vote, her mishandling of the campaign - getting into massive debt - and now expecting Obama's supporters to pay her way out of it - her coziness the craziest segments of the right wing, her votes in the Senate - these are the reasons she did not win. In her speech today, she made no concessions about mistakes made by her or her campaign. They have it nailed as a loss because she's a woman. Nonsense.

God, how I would have loved a woman running that I could have voted for proudly and enthusiastically.

No, she did not lose because she is a woman and anyone who believes that has got to be a racist or an incurable man hater.

Another post mentioned something quite true - that when the Clintons ran for office in 92, they talked about progressive left policies, and the reality was that they governed from the conservative right. People remember, and those that do do not want any more Clintons in the White House, man, woman or child.

[crankychatter]

34. I personally know people today that are still suffering from Clinton's War on the Poor

While they suffer in abject poverty...without food or medicine... living in shelters and in the streets.... in fucking cars

I will NOT forgive

[fadedrose]

36. Thank you for posting that

I feel like there's still some reality left in DU . . .



Does unity here mean wearing a blindfold and gag and suspending belief in facts? 'fraid so.

Group hug and all that.

[ampad]

37. Seems like it

We are suppose to put them on pedestals now and behave like repgis. This hate meme that is going around(you know every time you say something about Hillary you hate her) sounds eerily like that patriotic bullshit the repigs threw at us several years ago.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. ?????

Under Clinton the percentage of Americans living below the poverty level was at its lowest level in the history of the republic as was African American and Hispanic unemployment...

[fadedrose]

40. foggy memory

I used to go on Ebay a lot and order fabrics. Used to do a lot of sewing. There were so many people selling fabrics left over from factory closings in PA and the NE and they all had complaints in their descriptions like, to paraphrase: Thanks to Clinton's NAFTA bill, factories are being forced to close. Laid-off employees were able to get leftover rolls and sell them on Ebay, the factories no longer to exist.

Same with pottery. This is back starting in '96 when I got my first pc. Subsequently, more people lost their health care too. Things were still pretty good when Bush took over and finally killed everything.

The high employment figures were mostly people working were with the internet, and we all know where that went.

Nafta would have been okay if the President had made sure the US was treated fairly and competition had the same restrictions.

People on welfare suffered too from what I heard.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. O K

African American and Hispanic unemployment were at its lowest level in a generation as was the percentage of Americans living below the poverty line...

Twenty eight million new jobs were created during his administration and we went from record deficits to surpluses...

There's always going to be folks who hit hard times... It is our responsibility as a people to do the best we can to help those folks...

Outside of making sure the safety net is intact; Medicaid, unemployment insurance, social security, AFDC, Food stamps , et cetera I don't know what can be done to help everybody immediately... It's certainly been beyond the reach of any administration or any system of government...

[crankychatter]

43. It takes a village to EAT a family

the work search requirements for single parents and people w/disabled family members... have driven many people and families into abject poverty

if you have a second... hundred dollar, non-running vehicle in the driveway... they'll say it's worth a thousand bucks and deny food stamps to your children

if you have an autistic child that would cost a thousand or more a week to provide child care for... they'll require you to "look for work," and deny you welfare

I have no idea how many hundreds of thousands of people are ineligible for welfare that previously were... surely some of them needed to get off the dole...

But I DO KNOW, that damn few Bureaucrats lost THEIR jobs..., by comparison

[crankychatter]

46. When middle class Americans are getting plunged into poverty

now... as a long term result of NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO agreements... as a result of Clinton repealing Finance industry regulations in place since FDR... it's a big problem.

Back when the poor were being pushed into the streets... it wasn't a problem for folks...

Just like when Reagan pushed the mentally ill into the streets... it was only a problem when they were in Middle Class areas, causing problems.

Just like when Crack or Heroin are predominately a problem for Black people... it's not a problem... when WHITE kids started dying... all of a sudden we get a War on Drugs... which has turned into a War on Minorities and another War on the Poor... with draconian laws... extra penalties for crack as opposed to powder cocaine... three strikes you're out laws... marketed as addressing violent crime... now used to imprison minorities for LIFE IN THE PENITENTIARY... sometimes for misdemeanors... because a misdemeanor while on parole... is a felony

Some of ya'all live in a fucking bubble... nothing is unjust until it's an injustice TOWARD YOU... or yours.

"While one of us is in chains... NONE OF US ARE FREE." Solomon Burke

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. Again

1) (African American) and (Hispanic unemployment) were at their lowest level in a generation

2) The percentage of Americans (living below the poverty line) was at its lowest level in a generation.

3) Twenty eight million new jobs were created.

4) It was the longest economic expansion in the history of the republic.

5) We went from record deficits to record surpluses

6) Crime rates were at their lowest level in a generation.

Now, nobody suffers more from crime than poor folks...I favor diversion for first time drug offenders but if you're selling death, i.e., crack , meth, heroin et cetera I think they should put you away and throw away the key or put you in a room with a mom ,dad, daughter, son, wife whose lives were ruined by your action.

[crankychatter]

52. All of the above are side effects of the dot com boom

and if you think a few bags of heroin deserves life in the penitentiary

you are from Neptune

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Diversion For Users...Prison For Small Time Dealers...

Those who made millions off the misery of others can go to Hell... I have mentored at risk kids... Go into the hood and ask folks with addiction problems and their families how they feel about the people who fed them or their loved ones that poison...

[crankychatter]

54. I live there - and I've been working with addicts and families for decades

You seem to think the good guys go after the bad guys

maybe one too many episodes of Hawaii 5-0

I can't help you if you can't find ONE merit in my position

best of luck

[dorktv]

35. That makes perfect sense.

I was reading the "oh yay! she gave in so now I no longer hate her" posts and going "so when you get what you want, you like the person but when they say no you hate them?"

It does not make sense. Two days ago she was an evil person who contemplates murder if put on the ticket and today she is the gracious uniter? Pfft.

[fadedrose]

45. Yesterday we were at war with east asia, today we are not at

war with east asia, we are at war with north asia. you need help with memory problems or risk be called horrible names like hateful, spiteful, unfair, chauvinistic, McCain lover, repub, disloyal, all kinds of BS. Group hug for successful loss of memory achievers....

Sorry, I need more time. I've learned to like Nixon so anything's possible. (Oh, Julie Nixon Eishenhower supported Obama - I knew that Nixon couldn't be all bad to be her father)

[Shakespeare]

48. You make a very good point.

There was plenty of hurt for both sides.

[Blondiegrrl]

59. I feel the same way. I can lay off the bashing, for unity's sake.

But I simply cannot bring myself to trust Clinton (either of them).

[barack the house]

39. It really is time we move to the positive energy it is what made Obama our nominee and will win the

ge.

[gateley]

49. Absolutely agree --

But that doesn't mean we shazam! automatically trust Clinton because of a speech. I think I'll always be looking at her with a wary eye.

[2rth2pwr]

44. Who asked him to be gracious? Wth r u talking about?

[mcctatas]

60. Funny thing about Barack Obama...

no one has to ask him to be gracious, he just is...

[Arugula Latte]

57. I was furious with Clinton and her camp on Tuesday, but

now that she has officially stepped aside I'm just letting my anger flow out of me as much as possible..Aiming for Unity.

[Inuca]

58. She gave a good speech

good for the party, good for Obama, and good for all of us. Also a self-serving speech, and I do not mean this as criticism, just stating the obvious I think. She did not experience an ephiphany in the last couple of days, she is exactly the same person she was, with the good AND the bad. I did not experience an epiphany about her either. Today's speech is perfectly consistent with how she acted in the past, including doing everything she thinks necessary in order to "win". And at this point, winning means having a political future, possibly a very successful one. She had to take one for the party today, and she did, end of story.

[crankychatter]

61. Obama has 16 months of hard campaigning with decency against a well oiled slime machine

Clinton has a speech she gave on June 7, 2008

[ampad]

63. LOL

That about sums it up. She needs to do more than just give a speech IMO. Those who think I'm being too harsh know what they can do. There are some things that she has done that I will probably never forgive her for. With that said Gobama because at this point Hillary is irrelevant.