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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:05 PM
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What Did BHO Offer HRC at the Secret Friday Meeting to Deliver Such a Tremdendous Endorsement ?
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 01:09 PM by oldpol
SCOTUS nomination would be the only thing I could think of or a job for Bill heading the UN and compensation for campaign debts
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:06 PM
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1. Little, if anything is my guess.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:06 PM
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2. Hillary cares about her reputation in the dem party and she believes in the dem party
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:06 PM
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3. Go away--it seemed sincere enough. Hillary didn't need an incentive...
...after all, she's a Democrat.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:07 PM
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7. she hadn't had that incentive for the last 6 days...
unless Chelsea possibly implored her to do it
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:56 PM
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38. Lighten up! Give her time to get things planned and thank her millions
of voters. Why be so impatient? What difference did it make?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:10 PM
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uh, hmmmm.....

she sure could have fooled me during the campaign.

But whatever, it was a decent speech.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:06 PM
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4. a fair shot at the VP slot, a good slot at the convention, help with $, and respect
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:08 PM
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9. full payment of debts and the DNC donor list was probably #1
but such a speech---wow!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:16 PM
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19. if she delivers the next five months, she is entitled to have help
that debt reminds me of the old saw

Q: How do you eat an elephant?

A: One bite at a time.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:07 PM
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5. He probably was respectful and gracious (like he always is) and
appealed to her better angel. Oh, and he probably also offered to assist in paying off her monster campaign debt. As to the rest, we shall see.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:07 PM
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6. sticks and carrots
she was whipped into endorsing

the carrot will eventually become apparent

good question though

it's important to note that it's always a game, eh?
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:07 PM
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8. Putting her in charge of health would be my hope
That's where I think she would be best used.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:08 PM
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10. Is it possible that Hillary just happens to love the democratic party?
and despite what many think of her... deep down she's a good person who wants to see a Dem win and doesn't REALLY feel that much animosity towards Obama after all?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:10 PM
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15. I don't think it's insulting her to acknowledge that this IS politics after all....
Such things happen routinely. That's not unreasonable to wonder about, in and of itself.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:09 PM
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11. Maybe they're just two grown-up people who sincerely want to see a Dem victory in November.
I assume that what he "offered" her was a sincere listening ear.

sw
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:20 PM
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24. yup
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:10 PM
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12. He offered to take Chelsea under his wing and give her
a position in the White house...Just kidding I haven't a clue
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:10 PM
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13. A chance to bow out gracefully?
If she left via a scorched earth policy, her Senate and political clout would have gone right out the window.

A semi-graceful exit allows her to save face.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:11 PM
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17. How are you feeling after that speech? n/t
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:35 PM
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32. I'm glad she took the high road
This makes her look better in the eyes of people who turned on her over the past few months.

And I have long maintained that, while she and her acolytes got a bit too nasty toward Obama, the prolonged primary race was good for him. He just fought off the most powerful political machine in the country, and the GOP is left with virtually nothing left to attack him on. In addition, the prolonged exposure helped fill his financial coffers.

In other words, the Democratic battle sucked all the air out of the room, so much that McDole became a virtual nobody that few cared about.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:34 PM
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33. Good analysis
Frankly, I'm capable of forgiving many things that happened during these primaries. They were the nastiest I've ever seen, especially overtly pitting certain groups against others. Blacks vs Jews sticks particularly hard in my craw but that really is politics. It's unacceptable and I'm glad Obama has taken a different route but it's not uncommon.

She played particulary hard proving that a woman can successfully go against a man anytime. So what if she groined him a few times, men have done that to each other too in the past.

I don't think these Primaries could have turned out better if Howard Dean had choreographed every step of the way.

We knee-capped the Republicans. I'm proud of that.

Now to hold them accountable on the issues we want.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:10 PM
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14. I hope something where she'll make a real impact for women and children
in our country and all over the world. It's past time for them (us) to have a passionate advocate. She'd be superb. Please not SCOTUS. This isn't a slam on Hillary but there are many other people who can do SCOTUS too. She's unique and needs a unique, trail-blazing position where her unique skills will really change this country and help change the world.

With someone like Hillary, the country needs to think out of the box. She earned that.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:20 PM
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22. I was thinking a Cabinet Secretary too, but she is probably better of as Senate Majority Leader
but Harry supposedly says he isn't going anywhere
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:11 PM
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16. Obama has always been respectful of Hillary's abilities and she will have a role in the future...
If he simply reiterated what he has already said about seeking her advice, that she will be instrumental in achieving health care reform, that he appreciates her potential--I'm sure that was adequate.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:11 PM
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18. It would be interesting to find out how and what is being brokered
especially for those of us who like chess. :)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:35 PM
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34. I think the oil war in South America is what was being brokered.
What alerted me to this was Mark Penn being a paid agent of the Colombian government--and Colombia being a key Bushite player in the war to regain U.S. corporate control of the oil in Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia. I think Clinton is on board for this war, Obama not so much. I think this may be why the Clinton's were so adamant in asserting that only Hillary could win the GE--because our Corporate Rulers MUST have that oil, and they control the voting machines. Hillary may be many things to many people--some good, some bad--but one thing I am certain of: She is the front person for the Corporate Rulers' agenda in the Democratic Party. And their agenda can be summed up in one word: Oil!

Iraq is a disaster area (they will never reach full production again). Iran is well-defended and has powerful friends (China, for instance). Mexicans are balking at the privatization of their constitutionally protected oil resource. Where else is there oil?

The Bushites have reconstituted the 4th Fleet (nukes), which will be off the coast of Venezuela by mid-summer (and in particular off the state of Zulia). The Bushite strategy--since they have been unable to destroy democracy in South America--has been to fund, organize and arm fascist secession groups in the oil states of Venezuela (Zulia), Ecuador (coastal region) and Bolivia (eastern, white separatist provinces), to split off fascist mini-states where the oil is, from control by the national governments (democratic, leftist, into social justice and regional autonomy). Colombia (adjacent to Zulia)--and larded with $5.5 BILLION in U.S./Bush military aid--is totally on board for this war, and has already tried to provoke it (first shots fired in March of this year--with the Colombia/U.S. bombing/raid into Ecuador).

Clinton is tied to Colombia though Mark Penn. Bill Clinton was the architect of "Plan Colombia" (the arming of Colombia). Penn is the paid lobbyist for Colombia on the Colombia/U.S. "free trade" deal. Colombia has one of the worst human rights records on earth--and labor Democrats in Congress balked at favored trade status to a country were union leaders are chainsawed and their body parts thrown into mass graves--among other, numerous atrocities. So getting this "free trade" bill through Congress was likely high on Clinton's agenda with Obama--perhaps no. 2, after the oil war against Venezuela and its oil-rich allies.

The Clinton's are dependent on corporate backers who designed U.S.-dominated "free trade," and MUST HAVE more oil (to tanker "free trade" goods around the world, and as the engine of corporate profit, here and abroad). Obama, not so much--he has us 1.5 million small donors, for instance--who want peace and justice, and are starting to suffer, ourselves, under Corporate imperialism. I'm not saying that Obama is all that virtuous compared to Clinton. His statements about Iran and particularly Venezuela and Ecuador have me very concerned. I'm just saying he is relatively freer of corporate backers.

So, what I suspect took place at this meeting was a confrontation of these two major components of the Democratic Party--those previously in charge (the corporate/ war Democrats, into getting the OIL), and the candidate (Obama) whom the people have flocked to, who are sick and tired of that agenda. We tend to think of things too personally--because that's how the media plays it, as a distraction from the issues. Clinton wants debt relief, or to be VP, or whatever. Obama wants her support. But larger forces are very much at work (including us, the American people--we're a force), and very important policy issues, including war and trade policy. And this is how I'm reading it: top of the agenda is the oil war the Bushites have, in fact, already tried to start in South America, and have set up for major action in late summer, not only to grab the oil (or try to) while they have Bush-Cheney in the White House, but also as a CAMPAIGN ISSUE.

What was specifically traded? Who knows? But I imagine Clinton saying something like this to Obama: "You know they'll Diebold you, don't you--if you don't go along with this?" (i.e., U.S. military support for the "independence" of Zulia--or Santa Cruz in Bolivia.) "Make me VP" (or whatever), "and I'll signal my backers that you're okay with the new oil war. And he wonders, "how cleanly can it be done?", and she says, "minimum casualties," and he says, "what about reaction? it may destroy U.S/Latin American relations for the rest of the century," and she says, "naw, they don't like Chavez anyway, down there" (which would be a lie--he's as popular with South American leaders as he is with Venezuelans and millions of others on the continent--VERY popular). And maybe Obama swallows this lie because he is NOT well-informed on the matter (if his speech in Miami, a few weeks ago, is any guide).

This is a FANTASY conversation, I want to stress. I'm trying to convey what I think the meeting was really about--not personal horse-trading, but SERIOUS, IMPORTANT, EVEN GRAVE policy differences, and compromises.

I know this may come as startling news to folks who haven't been paying much attention to Bushite activities in Latin America. I suggest you read what Donald Rumsfeld (yup--that Donald Rumsfeld)--wrote in the Washington Post just six months ago. He urges "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies" in South America.*

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*"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html

(Note: It's mostly about the Colombian "free trade" deal, but bear in mind that that "free trade" deal is one of the bribes to keep the Colombian fascists on board for war against Venezuela and Ecuador (also Bolivia), by harassing their borders, running drugs and weapons routes through them, phony "war on drugs" incursions, spraying their farmers with toxic pesticides, slandering them as "terrorists" (recently), colluding with/arming the secessionists within the oil provinces, assassination plots (and dirty tricks) against Chavez and others hatched in the Colombian military, and use of Colombia as a launching pad for U.S. military support of the secessionists.)
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:17 PM
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20. Much as we may like to consider these things
Perhaps that meeting was just a meeting between 2 highly powered people who realize they need to be on good terms with each other in the future, rather than any sort of bargaining or other dealings.
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:22 PM
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26. Methinks you nailed it............ nt
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:19 PM
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21. Secretary of Health or Labor..
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:20 PM
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23. Maybe Commerce
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:21 PM
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25. She did it on her own
She didn't need anything from Obama.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:24 PM
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27. Oh Noooo..it's another Clinton conspiracy... a plot...
fantasy in a vaccuum devoid of facts. :evilgrin:
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:28 PM
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28. He probably agreed to stay out of her way today...and to offer
her an entire day at the Convention...prime time speech included.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:33 PM
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29. Since she has stated before that she would support him if he won the nomination,
I doubt that he had to offer her anything to get her endorsement. She is quite capable of doing the right thing simply because it is the right thing to do.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:34 PM
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30. Big something.
SOS, HHS, SCOTUS.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:34 PM
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31. Of course there are perks to her concession
some stated, some implied.

I think she wants a position in the administration where she can wield some real executive power. And she'll likely get it.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:35 PM
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35. More likely they had a frank discussion about her options....
He also probably committed to the Universal Health Care proposal and to let her lead the fight on that one.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:50 PM
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36. Rent money
for the venue? Fund raising help, most likely.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:51 PM
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37. The unity of the Democratic Party and a chance to win the White House back.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:35 PM
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39. Does anyone know exactly where they met to talk?
because from what we were hearing that night...the meeting did not take place where it was supposed to...I'm curious if anyone knows for sure...wb
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:51 PM
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40. Never mind...I found out....n/t
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