Can we stop bashing Hillary now? Do we have to wait till Wed. noon?

[Auntie Bush]

In my book...anyone who dares disparage Hillary from this moment on is not a uniter. In fact they are traitors to our party.

Let us not vote for Obama because there is no other choice as a Democratic. Let's us pull that lever for him because he pulls the strings of our heart and in turn...the strings to our pocketbooks.

Let's be a forgiving, understanding and polite party...the kind we used to be. Now get with it! Dammit!

[stray cat]

1. I think it is past time bashing either Hillary or Obama - ignore flame baits against either!

[Auntie Bush]

2. I hope everyone takes that advice!

[niceypoo]

46. Most attack threads have ended...

There are a few who will never get over it. That is a personal issue that they will have to deal with, most of us are over it.

[BlooInBloo]

3. Although her renouncing of her racist supporters was impotently late, at least she DID renounce them

As for bashing-refraining, it's the same rules as for anybody else, as far as I'm concerned. As long as she doesn't act so as to undermine the Democratic Nominee, I won't have any issues.

EDIT: I'm not implying that I *think* she'll do anything to undermine the Democratic Nominee. Just putting the qualifier on for clarity of the boundaries. The boundaries are (for me) the same, and not more restrictive, as for anyone else. If Dean undermines Obama, I'll slam him, just for (a purely theoretical) example.

[JoFerret]

31. She roundly condemned ALL prejudices

get with the program.

[BlooInBloo]

32. (shrug) Ok.

[JoFerret]

34. Not so easily dismissed as that.

.

[crankychatter]

Funny, Obama wins and the first most important rule, don't criticize Clinton

.

[Auntie Bush]

11. We already new better not to bash Obama

and people aren't that I can see...but they are still bashing Hillary at every opportunity. Let's take her advice and join hands...and stop posting negative comments.

[niceypoo]

47. Some people will never get over it.

But that is a personal weakness, IMHO

[JoFerret]

54. You DO want to see Obama win don't you?

.

[shrub chipper]

4. As one who has bashed her

in the past, I wholeheartedly agree that it is unacceptable from now on.

United we stand.

[Window]

5. K/R.

:kick:

[shrub chipper]

6. As one who has bashed her

in the past, I wholeheartedly agree that it is unacceptable from now on.

United we stand

[crankychatter]

7. First Black Candidate in US History and since Tuesday it's ALL CLINTON ALL THE TIME

no

criticism is not bashing

The first best benefit of the death of GDP will be that I don't have to listen to Clinton supporters bristling and personalizing every criticism

Shaming us for saying "ouch" every time you kicked us in the nads

[MonkeyFunk]

9. oh grow up

the next 5 months are all Obama's. Clinton took a couple days than you wanted and you act like she stole your puppy.

[crankychatter]

15. you're a personal insulter... you do it with every breath

back to the bin until we have a VP selection

[JoFerret]

55. And your sweetness makes every thread a pleasure.

.

[rodeodance]

63. and you had to have a snark in your above post.

[Cheap_Trick]

37. you've been acting like Obama stole Hillary's puppy

for some time now. He took the job Hillary wanted.

Your point?

Oh that's right, you don't really have one.

Just one more sour grape.

[dorktv]

64. she did steal mine though! And ate him!

;p

[Auntie Bush]

16. Then stop criticizing and no one will kick you. Simple!

Stop being so cranky with your chatter.

[Zhade]

71. So your demand is that people stop pointing out problems with our own?

Or those ostensibly our own, anyway?

Sorry, you don't dictate the discourse - here, or anywhere.

[frogcycle]

24. whiney baby

[JoFerret]

53. Oh your poor thing

I had no idea you were so vulnerable and susceptible.

[OneSelf]

8. Anyone still bashing after today

Invested too much in the candidate and too little in the bigger picture (ie: winning back our country).

[noiretextatique]

10. some people are here only for that purpose

we should just ignore them, and hopefully they will go away.

[Yael]

12. Agreed

She hit one out of the park for the party today.

[Auntie Bush]

30. Thanks Yael

That make up for a lot.

[yourguide]

13. Can we stop bashing Obama now? Do we have to wait till Wed. noon?

[JVS]

14. You can stop whenever you want.

[wildflowergardener]

17. her actions

I think if she keeps giving great supportive speeches like she did today - there should be no reason to bash.

Meg

[BootinUp]

18. The loonies will just point out that Hillary is the Devil's Spawn

,of course, lol, to justify their ridiculous and never ending tirades against her.

[tekisui]

19. She has my admiration and made me proud today.

She gave a wonderful speech, and I thank her.

[TahitiNut]

20. Senator Clinton should be treated no better nor worse than any other Democratic Senator.

Just as DUers critique Senator (Ben) Nelson, Senator Landrieu, Senator Feinstein, Senator Stabenow, Senator Schumer, or any other Democratic Senator or congressman, so should we critique Senator Clinton.

Senator Obama is now the "presumptive nominee" and there should be zero tolerance for any advocacy of non-support or (worse) support for opposing candidates.

[last1standing]

21. She has made amends for her Tuesday lapse.

So long as she works to elect Barack Obama in 2008, I support her in everything else with no reservations.

I wasn't happy with the way she ran her campaign which is the major reason I turned to Obama after Edwards dropped out. Now she is no longer smearing Democrats and I can return to supporting her, happily.

[RamboLiberal]

22. I can sign on to that - Fantastic Speech

Anyone who continues to bash is not listening to either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama! Let's move on and kick McCain's and Repuke ass!

:kick:

[Clintonista2]

23. K&R

[bkcc]

25. I concur.

I'm glad she's finally ended this thing and is standing behind Obama.
Let's move onward to November and beat McCain.

[reflection]

26. I'm down with that. n/t

[hokies4ever]

27. Is that a Hillary supporter trying to change the rules mid-game?

:rofl:

On a serious note, I don't think that people will continue slamming her on here. I'm sure they'll get the smack down put on them if they do.

[dana_b]

28. I agree!!

forgive and move on. She has, so can we.

[OregonBlue]

43. Not only was it a great speech, it took a LOT of courage to stand up there and not just endorse

Obama but to do it in a very convincing way. I can't applaud her enough. I became an Obama supporter after Edwards quit. I would have voted for Hillary (in spite of Bill). Let's unite now, the Supreme Court, voters rights, women's rights, human right, depend on us getting it together. As you say, FORGIVE AND MOVE ON. SHE HAS. SO CAN WE.

[IsItJustMe]

29. I am an Obama supporter, leave Hillary the fuck alone or you will get my proverbial foot up your ass

Hows that? LOL

[stray cat]

35. Awesome!

[Auntie Bush]

40. I hope you take your shoe off first!

Even Hillary haters don't deserve that. Well....most of them anyway!

[IsItJustMe]

45. LOL. Heck of an image just went through my mind.

[MindMatter]

33. There is no reason to bash her if she doesn't invite it again

Obama supporters are focused on winning the election. We honestly don't care about Hillary one way r the other, and I'm confident that none of us will go out of our way to bash her

UNTIL she pulls her next LIEBERMANN stunt.

It is all really up to her. If she is true to the words she spoke today, she won't hear a peep out of any real Democrats.

But be fairly warned. There is zero tolerance for any Clintonesque bullcrap. She has to support this election effort all the way.

[depakid]

48. That's EXATLY the same argument that abusive men use when they batter women

She invited it... She asked for it... She provoked it.

[Warren Stupidity]

57. Hyperbole much?

[depakid]

58. Not hyperbole to recognize a pattern

Unless of course, one doesn't like what it might say about their behavior.

[Warren Stupidity]

61. You have got to be kidding.

Clinton is a politician operating in the public sector. In that capacity, when she says or does things, the public (that would be us) gets to 'bash her' by responding to her actions with our own words and deeds. For example by criticising her on public forums and or not voting for her. In no sense other than the common use of the term 'bash' is this equivalent to spousal abuse. It is not abuse of any sort, unless you believe that political discourse, which is by nature contentious and acrimonious, is abusive. It most certainly is not equivalent to spousal abuse and it is massively dishonest to claim it is. The OP used the term 'bashing', the poster you blindsided was simply pointing out that if Clinton acts in the public sphere as a politician in a way that the poster finds wrong, the poster will feel free to attack ('bash' - the OP's term -) Clinton here in this forum. Duh. Not Abuse, Not spousal abuse. Not an honest post on your part.

[depakid]

78. The sorts of words and personal accusations that have been common on this forum

have little if anything to do with sober and/po rational discussions about policy or procedure..

They are- plain and simple, what one in an interpersonal relationship would call abuse. Sorry if you can't handle that reality.

Over the past several days (if not a couple of weeks, maybe months or some several months) they've been rationalized away- for all sorts of reasons, which in the end, amount to cowardice- or perhaps the unwillingness or incapability of have a little self reflection about what one posts on a public forum.

Same holds true, btw of partisans on the other side of the Democratic nomination process.

She made me do it- yep isn't that what you've seen?

[Warren Stupidity]

79. Oh that is a huge and braod brush. But I've seen this talking point

elsewhere. In fact it is all the rage over on those insane clinton supporter forums where they are all voting for McCain now that the nasty wife beaters have driven poor little Clinton out of the race. Keep insisting that criticising Clinton when she deserves to be criticised is the equivalent of beating up your wife. Massively dishonest and divisive on your part. What is your motivation?

[MindMatter]

66. What bullshit. Just stop. Please

That kind of nonsense doesn't do anybody any good.

[Zhade]

73. Except that she DID lie, she WAS caught in those lies, and she DIDN'T apologize for them.

You do a disservice to actual victims by painting clinton as one - of her own actions.

[cliffordu]

74. Somehow snarking a major political candidate and my next door neighbor

beating his wife into a coma are not even on the same planet, but thanks for playing....

[Zhade]

72. Exactly. It's not like her past lies and machinations didn't happen.

If she doesn't fall back into a pattern of dishonesty, cool. But I *will* criticize her (telling the truth about her bad acts is NOT bashing) as I would anyone else who lies.

[Catherina]

36. We can stop RIGHT now but I reserve the right to correct the record

if someone, guaranteed to be a shit-stirrer acts up. I imagine HRC's passionate supporters would probably stomp on them first so maybe that reservation is silly but other than that I'm with you all the way Auntie Bush.

I feel like we just won an election and happy days are here again.

[Willo]

38. We all keep our own books. Hopefully, she will now act like a responsible dem,

step out of the spotlight and let us get on with the McCain and the GE support

[jgraz]

39. Like any politician, she gets slammed when she does badly and praised when she does well

Today, she gets nothing but praise from me. :thumbsup:

[Meshuga]

41. I agree. It's over and she has been more than graceful to Obama

in her speech. She is not trying any tricks and she is going to be a great asset to Obama in the campaign. I am excited to have her on board to help Obama.

[intaglio]

42. Most sane people have finished bashing but ...

could I remind people to remove anti-Hillary and anti-Obama omages from Photobucket and like sites so that they no longer appear here.

[harun]

44. It takes a while for everyone to switch gears (n/t)

[eleny]

49. "anyone who dares disparage Hillary" or Obama

[DevonRex]

50. Yes we can stop. nt

[Buzz Clik]

51. I'm done. Hers was a great speech.

[ampad]

52. Why?

Does it personally hurt your feelings or something? I like how everyone says "its's something personal with those who bash" but I think it's something personal with some of ya'll that cannot stand to hear, see or read criticism of Hillary. Is it gonna cause some of you to jump off a bridge if somebody criticizes her or doesn't *gasp* think that she is all that great? Is it really hurting you cause I would really like to know. I'm not going to stop my criticism of anybody for the sake of you or anyone else on this board. This is a discussion forum, a forum to discuss. I don't need to bash her because there is so much about her that I can legitimately criticize. There is so much about Dean I can criticize, Edwards, Biden and so on. I don't expect in a few months that if Hillary votes for something that I find outrageous to be attacked from all sides because she ran for POTUS. Would that be fair to those Deaniacs who still love him, yet every couple of days there is a thread criticizing him most of them from Hillary supporters. Why don't some of you give the Deaniacs the same respect you demand and yes you demand it. Trying to dictate what people say on a anonymous message board, talk about having issues.

[Auntie Bush]

56. It has nothing to do with ME.

It has EVERYTHING to do with party UNITY. How could you misunderstand such a simple concept? How is Obama going to get her millions of voters if they keep bashing her? How is Obama going to win the GE if half the Dems won't vote for him? We need everyone's support and working together if we want to win the GE. Sounds like you won't be one of them. You sound a little bitter. Relax! Have a glass of wine! I'll join ya! In fact I already started.

[ampad]

59. It is obviously about you

Because any sane, reasonable person does not come to an internet message board and allow strangers to shape their vote. Do you honestly believe, that with the way the economy is going and the war that folks are gonna not vote for Obama because someone said something mean about Hillary on the DU or because someone criticises her a few weeks down the line? Do you think those kids in Iraq give a good god damn what someone says about Hillary on the DU or a freaking blog? Most of them are counting on us to do the right thing regardless of our feelings. It simply amazes me the luxury that some of us have. You know the luxury of worrying about what folks say and do not say on the internets about our beloved candidate, our e-feelings and such. Homeless people, wounded vets, folks with no health care, the young men and women in Iraq, well too bad they don't have the luxury. I bet you they would love to sit at a keyboard and tell people to pay special attention to their e-feelings or we might lose their precious vote, pathetic. You see that is how I put it into perspective.

No I am not bitter I am a realist. I know many Hillary supporters that will more than likely vote for Obama even though they are disappointed. They also know that I cannot stand the woman but my criticism of her in no way shape or form is more important than their lively hood and their families because as far as I know an opinion is just that an opinion. You can either behave like and adult and agree or disagree, debate or not debate or move on. Or you can behave like a child and keep telling me "we need these people, we need these people" You see I have more faith in those people than most of you. I know that when the chips fall they will probably look back on this time, look back and McCain and say no way in hell, my family is way more important than my hurt feelings. I'm not willing to give up my right to have an opinion of any politician because I would sure hate to see the Dem party go the way of the repigs, You know anytime you said anything remotely bad about Bush you were a traitor, remember those days. I'm not a repig I don't walk lock step and no one is gonna bully me to do so.

Naw I'll pass on that wine cause I don't drink and no I really don't need to relax. If you cannot handle criticism of Hillary then have two glasses of wine and enjoy.

[Auntie Bush]

65. Here's to you sweety!

:beer:

I'm speechless!

[Zhade]

76. HELL. YES.

Now THAT'S the kind of verbal courage we need!

[Zhade]

75. clinton's not the candidate, and likely won't be the VP.

Should we not criticize a single thing any Dem does for this elusive "unity" THEY don't show when they vote against OUR best interests?

How positively Stockholmian that concept is!

[Blue-Jay]

60. Call me crazy, but most of the threads today have been praising Sen Clinton.

It's a nice corner we've turned.

[union_maid]

62. I think you're absolutely right

The intra-party fight is over. Bashing is totally counterproductive. And knowing how you strongly supported Clinton I think this is very important coming from you. Thank you for posting it.

[martymar64]

67. Don't worry Auntie. The true haters on both sides will fall to the wayside

Now that the selection of our nominee has been resolved, it'll die out fairly quickly. Most of us are now concentrating on taking on McLame. A few that were more emotionally invested in their candidates may take slightly longer to get it out of their systems, but they will. The hardcore haters generally don't last here that long, they'll be gone soon enough.
My personal feelings are that I'm glad the primaries are over. I've gotten into way too many arguments with those that I'd agree with on other issues. I'm more than ready for a little unity.

Now whaddya say, let's go kick some Republican ass!

[Zhade]

68. Pointing out the FACTS - like her lies - is not bashing.

NT!

[CarbonDate]

69. I'm on board.

The war's over. My candidate won, and she who was our enemy is now our ally. I'm happy to have her support.

I hope Hillary supporters also see this: Hillary and Obama are on the same team. Abandoning the Democratic party means abandoning Hillary. If you want to elect a man who calls his wife a "cunt" President, be my guest, but don't pretend it's about women's rights. It's clearly not.

[scheming daemons]

70. I stopped.

[Colobo]

77. It's time to move on.