FOBs Warn The Obama Campaign About Completely Trusting The Clintons

[Me.]

“That is the atmosphere in which Clinton has now offered herself for the vice presidency. One of her supporters, prominent in Democratic politics for nearly half a century, saw the handwriting on the wall several weeks ago and approached Obama agents to suggest a unity ticket. "There was absolutely no interest -- none at all," he told me. "They wanted no part of it."

For some reason, the Clinton camp thought the popular vote would sway the Obama people to put her on the ticket. The Obama people weren't buying it, according to Novak.

Washington lawyer Lanny Davis, an indefatigable advocate for Bill and Hillary Clinton over the years, on his own wrote Obama Tuesday night urging him "to select Sen. Clinton in recognition of the more than 17 million Democrats who supported her at the polls." Davis also talked about a petition drive to promote that goal. The Obama camp's response was not positive.

April Ryan from American Urban Radio Networks said early in March that the unity ticket was highly unlikely. Here is what she said from an appearance on Hardball with Chris Matthews, according to the transcripts
http://j2k.naver.com/...

RYAN: Chris, this is a trust issue. I‘m telling you, everyone I talk to, they‘re saying it is a trust issue. J.C. Watts, a Republican, has said, look, he cannot trust her. She can trust him.

Also, people who the Clintons had stay in the Lincoln Bedroom said the same thing, and they said it would help to bring the party together, but he could not trust the Clintons”

“Folks, this is astonishing. Clinton loyalists are warning Obama that he cannot trust the former first couple.

When Obama rebuffed the Clintons through private channels on the veep slot, the Clintons tried to force his hand. As stated in the http://www.politico.com/...
, Hillary was laying claim to the veep slot knowing Obama did not want to give it to her.

Then, in a vigorous pushback to the increasing Clinton pressure, the Obama camp announced a trifecta of vice presidential vetters — a list that pointedly included a female Obama backer, Caroline Kennedy, niece to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.).” cont…


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/7/23819/28564/389/531504

[MonkeyFunk]

1. it's over

stop this bullshit.

Fuck the hate, fuck the haters.

[Me.]

34. First Of All

If it was over we wouldn't be waiting for the concession speech and GDP would no longer exist. Secondly, as long as her people keep up the BS of trying to force her onto his ticket, this remains relevant. Thirdly, advocating for one's candidate is not hate, especially when his opponent is still trying to force certain issues. If it had been by one vote or an inch, the winner is still the winner and the person who lost doesn't get to dictate the agenda.

[roguevalley]

39. get a grip. if she had DONE THE RIGHT THING TUESDAY none

of us would be here. you are really sad. don't blame us for her. she's done this to herself.

[galloglas]

41. Miss Andry of 2008 !!

It seems that most of the venom spewed by Hillary's supporters has alleged sexism and misogyny by anyone who opposes Clinton. FonkeyMunk knows, don't she?

But, as she says in a recent post, "you guys deny it" (which seems sexist to me!). To which she adds, "It's still going on today - fuck the hate and fuck the haters."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6301723

And, of course, all those "Haters" are male, we are left to presume, due to the first quote, "you guys deny it".

Perhaps it is time we all examine another word. One that has been demonstrated constantly on these boards: misandry. Find references below.

And you, FonkeyMunk, after reading your loverly gutter mutterings for weeks, do hereby nominate you for a title: Miss Andry, 2008


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

http://www.123exp-health.com/t/01084062197 /

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwords/m...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misandry

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misandri...

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/misandry_is_the_mes... /

and this up-to-date account from Academia

http://mqup.mcgill.ca/book.php?bookid=1323

perhaps males here at DU feel some an eerie familiarity in this YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM&feature=rela...

[LakeSamish706]

2. I hope that the Obama camp stays strong on this issue.... Having her on the...

ticket is a very, very bad idea... This would not bring the change that Obama so wants to bring to Washington.

[DAGDA56]

3. I have trouble with any sentence that ends with "according to Novak".

[EFerrari]

7. Me, too. But, the same sentiment has been reported by people like

Howard Fineman, whom I do trust.

[merh]

14. pppsstttt

what is FOB?

:shrug:

:blush:

[EFerrari]

16. I have no idea!

:hi:

[merh]

31. LOL

that's okay, others seem to :freak:

:hi: :hug:

[tblue37]

27. "Friend of Bill." (n/t)

[Papillon]

28. FOB is a Friend Of Bill.

[papau]

8. LOL - very true - and Edwards was made VP nominee because of his 2nd place finish

[janetblond]

4. Of course the Clintons CAN'T be trusted. THAT'S Y she lost.

Yes, Hillary ... it IS all about you and your EGO!
YOU did this to yourself.
That's Y you lost.

[jasmine621]

5. Still repeating the GOP meme from 1992 on. sickening.

I would say that most of the Clinton "supporters" can't be trusted...the way they stabbed her in the back since 2000.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

10. considering her kitchen sink strategy? Her "he only has a speech"?

Don't forget that the republicans are using Hillary's words, video clips of
her - to attack Obama.

She knew that would happen.

[janetblond]

26. "He only has a speech" ... Sweet Hillary!

Hillary is a WITCH of the worst kind.
Hey Hill!
Thanks for the talking point.
Now the GOP has a great video they'll run the next 5 months of YOU glorifying McCain and belittling Obama for "a speech".
B*tch!

[pocoloco]

18. LOL she didn't get stabbed

She shot herself in the ass with sniper fire!!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

6. if he picks her, the whole world will see him as weak and subserviant to her

it would already have appeared that way, but she made it much more so.

[papau]

9. if he doesn't pick her, the whole world will see him as weak and subserviant to Obama fan nuts

[EFerrari]

15. That doesn't even make sense. n/t

[babylonsister]

35. No surprise there. Typical, actually. nt

[Kahuna]

17. Am I wasting my time waiting for you to grow up?

:shrug:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

19. Hillary is already proving that she cant be VP by trying to order the Pres candidate around

she has talked herself completely out of any chance at being VP.

But she and Bill won't submit to the vetting process anyway, Bill doesn't want
to reveal the donors to his presidential library.

This is Obama's candidacy, and he cannot let Hillary control any part of it.

Any candidate for VP has to undergo the vetting process. He has already stated that.

[Adelante]

25. I agree

Also I don't see Obama running with an IWR voter. It's his ace against McCain.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

23. You can't be VP if the RNC is playing videos of you to attack the Dem candidate

there is already one such commercial.

Hillary has given the GOP much to work with.

[galloglas]

42. A slave to The People ???

"the whole world will see him as weak and subserviant to Obama fan nuts"

It seems that the dilemma you see for OBAMA's choice is back and white (no pun intended): Either choose Hillary or not. And "the whole world", split into absolute pro's and con's, will be either happy or enraged, as the case may be.

If so, I think we could assume that choosing Hillary for VP would please all of her fervent (fulminating??) supporters. But, consequently, enraging the rest of the entire world, including all of the US citizens who will vote for him.

So the other side of that coin is NOT choosing her which would enrage the HillBots, but pleasing the remainder (generally referred to as "the citizens of the US").

So OBAMA's choice is either A) choose Hillary and make YOU and your ilk happy, or B) choose not to choose her which makes him "him as weak and subserviant to Obama fan nuts (generally referred to as "the citizens of the US"). Correct ?? :wow:

Get a grip, will you ??

[terrya]

11. This is not good, especially today.

Come on, goddammit. Hillary is making it official today and the Hillary supporters here are sad, as they should be.

There was no need for you to post this.

[EFerrari]

20. terrya, has someone started a thread for you guys yet?

:hug:

:grouphug:

[terrya]

22. A couple.

Thanks. :-)

:hug:

Look, I know some people here hate the Clintons. But today isn't the day to post something like the OP's post.

[EFerrari]

32. Today seems like a good day to have an official "Hillary's speech"

thread for her supporters and their DU friends. People are going to post what they can under the rules, why not make a nice thread to be in? If you want to start one, I'll help keep it kicked.

[Leftist Agitator]

38. "But today isn't the day to post something like the OP's post. "

You're right. That day was three months ago, after Hillary lost 12 consecutive contests.

But Her Royal Clintonness refused to acknowledge reality, and so here we are in June having to have this discussion that should have taken place, and ended, long ago.

You can thank Madame Inevitability for that.

[Me.]

36. Having Been There

and suffered through other electoral disappointments. I do understand how it feels and sympathize with those who feel the same way today, but this business of trying to get her on the ticket, a consolation prize if you will, does not sit well with me. When Bill was the nominee, none of the others felt they had such a right.

[Honeycombe8]

12. What's a FOB? nt

[Kahuna]

13. "Friend of Bill." nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Of all people, politicians should know better than to trust politicians.

If only that concept would spread to the general public we would move towards democracy.

[noiretextatique]

29. best post in this thread

thanks for being the voice of rationality :applause:

[blm]

40. Heh - true. They'd have to have one helluva record on open government for ME to trust one.

And that means damn few.

[CakeGrrl]

24. Exactly what I keep saying. The Clinton campaign has done nothing to build trust

And it's the biggest reason Obama should not take them onto the ticket.

Hillary's campaign against him has been about nothing but tearing Obama down, and she was still at it 4 days ago. The man wins the nomination, and on the same night it happened - and she KNEW it would - she's:

* still telling her supporters (and the rest of the viewing public, let's not forget) that she's the best person for the job
* still whining that everyone (Obama) wanted to push her out
* still beating the drum that she's still the one that's going to fight for their votes to be heard (not Obama)
* still pushing the straw man argument that she "won" the states that add up to 270 GE votes
* still pushing the false "popular vote" argument

Anyone who doesn't realize that is where her fanatics get this thinking needs to be directed back to this speech.

It was extortion to the last. 'If you don't give me something I want, I'll keep poisoning this well.'

Whatever she says today, no one will convince me she had an "epiphany of support" and is now willing of her own volition to support him.

She'll say what she needs to say to save face with Capitol Hill, but will she really mean it? Not a snowball's chance in hell, in my opinion.

After all the Clinton campaign has said about and done to Obama, he'd be a fool to believe a 180° shift in her thinking.

And he's no fool. He'll do what he needs to do to make sure he can provide a valid reason for not taking her onto his ticket, and if - IF - the Dem leadership has any sort of stones, they'll have his back on the issue.

[PATRICK]

30. The MSM loves to sow distrust

back into this campaign. It is not a necessary part of the VP consideration. All the argumentation on behalf of HRC as VP is also moot though at least it is positive.

Her VP selection is a five alarm fire. If one alarm is secretive and highly negative personally, that too is moot. You simply exclude people with high negatives. That vetting has been done and reaffirmed during the campaign. Many other fine Dems will likewise be more quietly excluded with careful research that again is much more than the personal trust issue. Two honorable Dems have excluded themselves.

For true information this is right to air. To have Novak or Matthews or their bosses calling the shots HOW to interpret Obama's refusal is- again- to be a sucker for the divisive route. In this KOS gives Novak a pass for the scoop. I don't.

It opens a whole can of ugliness as to exactly what that distrust means. Minimally it is exactly the same as what the MSM(again) will naturally install and move forward even if the Clintons had their lips sown up and buried under the VP desk, allowed out for occasional ribbon cutting and funerals. There is no good will or action or word, despite HRC's usually careful record in the Senate, that Hillary can perform as VP that will not be used, spun, held up as rivalry and intrigue against Obama and all Democrats. A major reason she thought her campaign viable in the first place is that she does not herself recognize this. Her often naive run-ins and deals with the media are every bit as alarming as the trust issue. She trusted Powell. She trusted the rigged intel reports. She trusted the media that crucified Bill. How she uses the trust of others is still an open issue.

I don't know about the rumor mill, but the part that is corporately sponsored we all know full well. Their motives are untrustworthy, their offerings of truth suspect, the distraction and negativity clear.

We don't need it and it would be better to get that issue out of the backrooms long before FOB's education of the Obama newbies. The ironic paradox is that the good friends of the Clintons being able to put party and nation before political loyalty reflects something strangely admirable about the Clintons. That paradox should keep people from darkly demonizing all things Clinton- which must include those friends and eventually all of us. As intended by Novak.

Friends of Bush Sr. never warned the Reagan people and Friends of Junior would have been justly afraid of their own necks if they were capable of putting the welfare of the nation anywhere in their schemes.

There is no crisis here to exploit. Let this pass only to the fact file. It is irrelevant to the present VP choice now, it is an unnecessary trap and distraction.

[TexasObserver]

33. they are completely untrustworthy, and it's not something they can fix

[Doityourself]

37. Glad she's conceding but I agree, no matter who says it..my gut says not to trust her or Bill..

[dailykoff]

43. Suspending, not conceding.

The African American stopped her from breaking the last glass ceiling but she's going to keep on doing what's she's been doing all along. That from her "suspension" speech.