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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:05 AM Original message |
3 A.M. For Feminism: Clinton dead-enders and the crisis in the women's movement (TNR) |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. There is no "crisis in the women's movement" - just in Obama's campaign if Hillary is not VP |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. It seems fairly clear that there has been a pretty strong split... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. I think that's one of the REAL things we've learned in this election |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
69. I don't think it's generational at all |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #69 |
107. I do think it's generational. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Boomer feminists in the 70s were antiwar, period. Automatically went with the territory. |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #110 |
169. Right on! Have you seen Obama's speech at campaign headquarters? They ALL looked like Millenials |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Hillary is not going to be the VP - and Obama is going to win the presidency in a landslide. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
119. Would Hillary really want the second spot on the ticket, |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #119 |
209. I think Hillary wants her place in history. Bill also wants redemption... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. hey, guess what? Hillary is NOT going to be VP. get over it. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
67. You are so naive.....all full of |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. who's "he"? I'm a "she"--& you think the Senator from Punjab gives a rat's ass about $4 bread? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
92. It's funny |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. Strange how so many of them will vote for McCain and not Cynthia McKinney |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Yup. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. Voting for Cynthia McKinney will not help Hillary get elected in 2012... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
66. aren't you special? |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. More like the media is pushing Webb. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
87. Feingold would be great!!! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
70. Cynthia McKinney has that unfortunate melanin condtion, you know n/t |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
94. I don't think you get it! |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
120. I think it's you who don't get it |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #120 |
141. She's a woman/progressive, and she's |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #141 |
192. You're the one who needs a clue. I can donate a dollar so you can purchase one if necessary |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #120 |
147. Well, also, if these "feminists" were so concerned about having a woman president, |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 06:46 AM Response to Reply #147 |
160. good analysis! I believe these fake "feminists" to be nothing more than republicans |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #160 |
199. Did they all pay off her debts after her speech? |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #147 |
172. Well said! Bravo! |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #147 |
196. Comment on how b might relate to feminism in their minds |
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DangerousRhythm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:27 AM Response to Reply #147 |
200. Completely agreed. |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
187. my sentiments exactly |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. I find your advocacy not allowing for the right and wrong Hillary has done. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Yes, the Clintons were |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
99. I'm as feminist as they come. And at 61, I've seen and done a lot. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #99 |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #123 |
185. The reason why people claim that what happened while Bill Clinton was in office was HRC fault is |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
117. There's been issues in the women's movement for years |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
195. There's no crisis in Obama's campaign. And it's entirely UP TO YOU whether you choose |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm still not convinced that this reaction is not just veiled-racism |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I don't think so...I know one of these people who fits this article to a tee... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The way American society is set up though, it is completely possible to seem completely normal... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
53. Well again, I've known this person for 40 years...she isn't racist |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. I take you on your word. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
86. Maybe your friend sees the same thing I do |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. What does he appear to be to you? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #98 |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 03:36 AM Response to Reply #128 |
152. Well, I'm sorry you feel that way.... |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #86 |
127. The way you feel about Obama is the way I've always felt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #127 |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #127 |
166. Well said! |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
122. With all due respect |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #122 |
181. With all due respect, its pretty strange to automatically assume that because someone is racist... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It seems to me that these women have been infected with the "I am ENTITLED" bug. |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. No, it's the first time Obama voters who are screeching THEY are entitled.... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Can't anyone say anything they want? |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. since first timers knocked off someone who felt entitled to the nomination i guess... |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
168. Wow, if I puff up my chest, does that make me more macho? |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #168 |
174. you said obama new-timers felt entitled, i responded your statement about older women showed... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. It was an election, the candidates ran their respective campaigns, that Obama motivated young & |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
90. Looking at the states HRC won, she |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #90 |
129. And if the California primary were held today, she would lose! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #129 |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #133 |
180. Yes because working for our demoocratic nominee be it Barack Obama or Paul Hacket isn't good |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #90 |
179. If the CA primary were in June she would have lost, pretending HRC did not benefit |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. Your post proves the point of the post you responded to. The entitlement mentality is right there. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. Entitled to what? THeir candidate getting nominated because he WON the primaries? |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
74. Well, if we win the election.... |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
83. What about middle-aged and older women that support Obama? |
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muryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
118. Yea, how dare people want out of Iraq |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
189. you never "earn" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
124. That attitude is exactly what is wrong with the feminist movement nt |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #124 |
131. You started it...nt |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #131 |
193. The feminist movement is a bit older than I am thank you |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #124 |
170. Yeah, one's a real expert in a couple of months, eh? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #170 |
194. I've been reading for more than a couple of months. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. so it doesn't bother your friend that Hillary Clinton is from the same old shit, status quo wing |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. Nope. Not compared to getting a woman president... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. so why doesn't she support Cynthia McKinney? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Because she wants Hillary to run in 2012...Cynthia McKinney is not.. |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
78. The only way hill could win in 2012 is if she has a Men In Black memory eraser. n/t |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #49 |
144. If McCain wins, there may be too much damage done by 2012 |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Ask her why she would consider voting for McCain instead of Cynthia McKinney |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. now THAT's a good point! why aren't these fake "feminists" lining up behind Cynthia McKinney? |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Here's an excellent article |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
56. Again, how does voting for Cynthia help Hillary get elected President? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #56 |
126. The reasoning is stupid |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
125. I suspect that if the question were asked |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It is for some people. Remember Harriet Christian? n/t |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. No it isn't |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
81. Sophistry. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. They're such hypocrites whining |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
113. Quit whining.. buck |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #113 |
134. I bet you |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
60. Amen! And that's exactly what I have been saying on all these threads.... |
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mamalone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Well.... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
96. I don't believe you would |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #96 |
114. It's funny you used that phrase because I've long thought |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #114 |
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mamalone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #96 |
151. I don't "dislike" anyone, especially not HRC supporters. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. Well, I sure agree. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
93. No, we won't delete it....we like examples |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #93 |
115. Oh please. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #115 |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #93 |
163. What in the world about my post makes you think I am a Repuke!?! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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frickaline (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
103. I find it wrong to assume someone is racist simply for being extreme in the support |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
7. They picked the wrong hand... |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
10. While I am troubled by sexism in the campaign |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Dem women voters won't be taken for granted any longer |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. No one is being taken for granted, there was an election, one candidate won, the other did not.... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. If Democratic women think they want a female POTUS |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. "I'll say good luck finding tens of millions of new Democratic voters" will you be organizing this |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Its already out there |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Older feminists you mean, right? Younger feminists support Obama... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
76. Real feminists are antiwar. Always have been, too. n/t |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. Its already organized |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #62 |
162. To the fan girls on Hillary's blog? |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
100. No....me and my crew |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
75. Right, All Dem women just love Condi Rice and would vote for her over Obama n/t |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 05:47 AM Response to Reply #41 |
158. I, too, would like to see a woman president before I shuffle off this mortal coil, |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #21 |
164. You mean Dem Hillary supporters, don't you? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Well then, did the |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Of course |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
186. Definitely |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. The MCcAin strategy is simply an antiObama strategy, read their posts, it's McCain 08 Hillary 12 |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Whether McCain would only run for one term or not, they are really saying that.. |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. You said a mouthful! Amen! |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
165. I thought I would just read a few posts, but the herd mentality, the obvious lack of substance in |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
12. Lots of rich people naturally want to vote rethug anyway |
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SDJay (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
14. What I find intellectually insulting... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Are you suggesting that all bigotry is equal? That... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Sports analogies don't work |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
95. Actually... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. Not exactly... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #109 |
138. And so have you.... |
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frickaline (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
105. Is it your claim that there was no sexism at all in this race? |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #105 |
136. I think what drove me the most crazy about Hillary's rhetoric was |
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SDJay (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
211. No, I'm not suggesting |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
22. Poor little soundbite, amy siskind.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
24. Let sleeping dogs lie. Some will always be turned off when their candidate don't win. Now, let's |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. They're not |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. We will just have to find voters that are wanting to change the way things have been. That is all |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. This is true..my son and I were |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
28. One of the Better Responses |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Yes, that's true |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. Another Good One |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #55 |
142. BECAUSE she was the "first viable female candidate" she was given |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. Tens of millions? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Don't forget the independent women "swing" voters |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. What in the WORLD are you yammering about? |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #112 |
140. that petty cash quip was a real winner... |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #140 |
148. Like I said - you need a clue. |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #140 |
191. ok - your second |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #108 |
143. PLEASE stop posting THE SAME THING over and over. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #143 |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Yeah, you are QUITE the feminist, aren't you. Age-ist too it seems. |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
173. "And they have a lot of work ahead of them in repairing the damage. If not, they stand to lose tens |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Does this assume that the party elders both recognized these attacks and were somehow... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
111. You remember Shirley Chisholm who ran for Prez? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #111 |
184. They became "new" in 1988. Jesse Jackson got them put in place... |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #184 |
197. I thought it was actually Walter Mondale that had a lot to do with the rules... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #197 |
202. Nope, the proportional delegate system was brought on by Jesse Jackson's run in 1984 |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. Thanks for the response...here's an article with overview... |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. "Daschle, Durbin, Kerry, and Kennedy et al chose to coalesce around the charismatic Barack Obama" |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
80. The party never gave any response to racism either |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
139. Maybe they saw Hillary for the weak and DEEPLY flawed |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
64. Webb? The new Senator from VA? |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. What I find fascinating..... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #84 |
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dolo amber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
85. Isn't choosing someone simply because they are a woman like...reverse sexism? |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #85 |
175. Not reverse sexism...it IS sexism...aka female chauvinism.... |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
97. Attitudes like this are self destructive for the cause (in this case the cause of feminism) |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Your hypothetical wrt Obama supporters.... |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #101 |
210. After we let them take over the party? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #97 |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #121 |
183. Agreed. This points to a larger problem of people being so wedded to their candidate... |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #97 |
171. When men lie, cheat, rape, and kill, where's the outcry they are destroying some movement? |
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PatGund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
130. I am the father of a six year old girl...... |
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lancer78 (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
149. If these women |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
153. I'm so fucking sick of gender essentialism and Clinton trying to commandeer the feminist movement(s) |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 05:39 AM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Me too. |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #153 |
177. LOVE your post! Right on! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
154. This is insane. |
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BeeBoppinLula (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
155. if people voted rationally Obama wouldn't be the nominee, so here's the other side of it. bottom li |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 05:31 AM Response to Reply #155 |
156. So you admit it's nothing that Obama himself has done, because that's certainly the case |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 05:52 AM Response to Reply #155 |
159. Wah Wah Wah |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 06:54 AM Response to Reply #155 |
161. oh boo hoo. Like Obama wasn't skewered for 3 weeks over the nonissue of Wright |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #155 |
167. The stupidest post ever. |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #155 |
178. Ya know, I keep "hearing" about how Hillary was mistreated during this campaign. Examples, please? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #155 |
182. I absolutely agree that this is their position, but it really does take a leap of logic... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #155 |
190. "Wahhhh!! I love my victim status, and refuse to give it up! WAHHH!!!" |
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FVZA_Colonel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #155 |
198. Why would "rational people" vote for Hillary? |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #155 |
203. If people posted rationally we wouldn't need smilies like thisone |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #203 |
212. I'm waiting for a temper tantrum smilie similar to the ROFL -just with a WAH expression and... |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
176. Good article, thanks for posting! |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
188. There won't be a crisis in the women's movement unless McCain is elected. |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
201. most everyone posting here has missed a golden opportunity for unity |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #201 |
208. I don't this was designed as a unity discussion thread, but I agree about the woman ticket thing... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
204. What Women's Movement? What have they done for poor women or women of color? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. Those are good questions |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. I think you can say that some things have benefitted everyone... |
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