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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:25 AM
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Democrats calling McCain campaign to volunteer against Obama.
In an interview with a pool of reporters today, including reporters covering the McCain campaign for ABC Radio, Sen. John McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis talked about an unusually high number of callers to the campaign's offices who identify themselves as Democrats who would like to volunteer to help McCain.

Asked about Democrats who are not yet sold on Obama, Davis offered an intriguing comment: We have seen significant uptick in calls from states that have those voters. "A number of them say that they rarely vote Republican, and expected to vote for the Democratic nominee this year. But they say that they are unlikely to vote for Sen. Obama. There are a lot of people who want to play with us." Later in the conversation, asked if he could be certain these individuals would really vote for McCain, Davis responded, "they're talking about helping us, so I think they'll vote for us." Asked which states they were getting the calls from, they said all over, but specifically mentioned Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Maryland. "In almost every state, there's a core that's starting to build, and we're putting names on paper."


Some ominous signs here. What do you think is going on?

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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:26 AM
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1. Republican-lites who are pro-war are choosing second best
There's no way any real Democrat would vote for someone who is as conservative as McCain.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:37 AM
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26. My thoughts exactly. It's the obliterate Iran crowd n/t
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:27 AM
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2. Sounds like people trying to create a news story to keep the churn
going until November.

Expect more pastorbating, Rezko, Ayers, bitter sexism Hamas bullshit.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:27 AM
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3. Bullshit Lies
Next question?
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:27 AM
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4. Believe Republican press releases at your own risk
Propaganda game... trying to keep the split going
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:41 AM
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37. Exactly, it's all propaganda, don't believe otherwise... If they are receiving call's it is very low
from former Dem's... like in the double digit range....
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:27 AM
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5. I think it's a DLC propaganda trick
Trying to pressure Obama into adding Hillary to the ticket. Or worse yet a lame attempt to get delegates to stab the party in the back and fuck up the convention. Which would in turn fuck up the GE.

And either way, they're wasting their time.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:43 AM
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39. ding, ding, ding!
i would not be surprised.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:29 AM
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6. Bitter dead-enders whose votes will be drowned in an influx of indie and former Repugs
Let them go help McSame. Hopefully, they'll have the same effect on his campaign that they did on Hillary's.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:32 AM
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7. Ominous signs? where have you been for 8 years - these are the people that
lie about nuclear weapons development and you think that they are telling the truth about volunteers calling them?

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:35 AM
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11. Well, it COULD happen ...
:rofl:
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:33 AM
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8. Total BS... they just want to keep the divisiveness in our party
because it's McCain's only hope for an edge in this election. These "Democrats" are made up to create news pieces to try and sway those supporting Hillary to come to McCain's side.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:37 AM
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34. Exactly right. Pure, grade-A bullshit.
I don't believe this for a second.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:33 AM
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9. I'll be glad in a few days, when you will be gone.
really, really happy about that development.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:46 AM
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19. Second that notion, Frenchie.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:35 AM
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10. OK, then we'll just bogart the evangelicals....
"If one third of white evangelicals voted for Bill Clinton the second time, at the height of Monica Lewinsky mess--that's a statistic I didn't believe at first but I double and triple checked it--I would not be surprised if that many or more voted for Barack Obama in this election. You're seeing some movement among evangelicals as the term has become more pejorative. There's a reaction among some evangelicals to swing out to the left in an effort to prove that evangelicals are really not that right wing. There's some concern that maybe Republicans haven't done that well. And there's this fascination with Barack Obama. So I will not be surprised if he gets one third of the evangelical vote. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 40-percent."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/06/religious-right-figure-ge_n_105667.html
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:41 AM
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17. Not to nitpick the writer of that post... but didn't the Lewinsky news break in early 1998...
.... two years after Bill Clinton's reelection?

:shrug:
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:47 AM
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20. It's a quote from this guy
"With clients like Focus on the Family, Franklin Graham, and Campus Crusade for Christ, Mark DeMoss may be the most prominent public relations executive in the evangelical world. A former chief of staff to Jerry Falwell, DeMoss became then-presidential candidate Mitt Romney's chief liaison to evangelical leaders."

Reality is not big on their list of places to visit;)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:50 AM
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22. The sentiment is encouraging...
... but he's basing his entire hypothesis on a falsehood. Sounds kind of like... oh, I dunno, intelligent design? :-)
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:35 AM
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12. Traitors in the ranks
that's what's going on
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:50 AM
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43. I'm sure the McCain campaign will be pleased at your
willingness to play Joe McCarthy with your fellow Dems as opposed to directing your anger at the republicans.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:08 AM
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47. I've heard the calls in to Rush and Hannity
I know that some Hillary supporters are so angry that they have joined with Republicans in an effort to defeat Obama. It makes no sense to me, and is selfish and spiteful. It would not surprise me to hear that some are contacting their local Republican party offices to offer their services.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:20 AM
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52. I'm sure Rush and Hannity would not lie to us.
What possible motive would they have for splitting the democrats?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:01 AM
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53. I was referring to the callers
who, ironically, often have the same desperate talking points as long-time DUers, DUers who I have respected over the years, who went off the deep end for HRC. And like these DUers, these callers found a friend in Fox News, Hannity and Rush -- it's sad and unsettling to hear the calls. What's the old saying, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'?

I realize your point -- Repugs will play the dirty games -- but it is quite apparent that some HRC supporters have lost all perspective and are willing to side with Repugs in order to defeat HRC's perceived number one enemy, Obama. It is what it is -- not everything anti-Dem is a Repug conspiracy, you know.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:36 AM
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13. They're trying to pass the lie that the Dem Party is tearing itself apart...
which is SO not true.

:rofl: Idiots.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:37 AM
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14. This is b#llshit. They're going to lose big and they know it.
All they have is this disinfo cr@p.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:38 AM
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15. It would be unlike Republicans to lie.
There are some nutjobs who think th entire planet should be punished for the sins of those who dared deny Clinton the nomination. But they're not plentiful--just loud.

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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:39 AM
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16. Take a step back.

Can you think of any reason any person with three braincells would vote for McCain after what Bush did to this country?

The McCain team knows this. The media knows this.

If they don't perpetuate this story, the media has nothing to talk and McCain sits around waiting for his town hall meetings.
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:41 AM
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18. COMPLETELY UNVERIFIABLE. DO NOT BUY THIS.
I dont buy it. It's manipulation pure and simple
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:12 AM
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24. Exactly. Need independent verification and the numbers involved.
How many "calls" from "Democrats" do they usually get, and how may "Democrats" are calling now? As it is, this is strictly "anecdotal". They're just getting a meme out there.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:13 AM
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25. I agree...
Come on. How many Dems are so damn soft that they want 4 more years of that war mongering puke McBush. I know not one.

Yes, this is nothing but puke propaganda.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:49 AM
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21. Vanquished Victimized Vindictive Vixens for Grandpa
the Vee-Vees are on the prowl for Grandpa-votes.. Good for them.. he'll need all the help he can get :)
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PFunk Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 01:50 AM
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23. This could kill two birds w/one stone.
It could help wreck Obama's chances for winning the GE in '08, AND ruin Clinton's chances in '12. Either way it's not good.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:08 AM
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28. "...not good"? Oh, I think it's great. Puke lies always tell you what they fear--
in this case, the "great sucking sound" of former Puke voters flocking to Obama and the Democrats. Obama's already ahead in the polls, and he hasn't even started his campaign. All polls point to a blowout year for the Democrats.

Rule of thumb when listening to Bushites: Whatever they assert, the opposite is true. Are Democrats calling the McCain campaign to help out? Nope. Their phones are dead. Not even Pukes are calling!

This rule also works as to their crimes: Whatever crimes they accuse others of, they are doing. Obama unpatriotic? They are the traitors! (--sold this country to China and Saudi Arabia! outed CIA agents! broke our laws! shredded our Constitution! bankrupted our government! ridiculed war heroes Kerry and Cleland! let Americans die in Katrina! destroyed our "commons"! privatized everything! TRAITORS!). Hugo Chavez is a "dictator"? They are the dictators (--torturing prisoners, suspending habeas corpus, "unitary executive," stolen elections, the Patriot Act, unjust war!).

You get my drift. You can figure out their crimes, their fears, their devious plots, their personal degeneracy and corruption, and everything about them, by listening to what they say and reversing it.

Sily you--believing them! Where've you been these last eight years?
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PFunk Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:49 AM
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30. Good points. On the whole I agree with you...
but still I like to think on the bad side of things. Helps perdict how the other side will react.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:41 AM
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35. I have to agree
I find the same applies to Walmart commercials-whatever they are promoting( such as more women in management) you will find that there is a large class action lawsuit against them on the same issue.
It's called spin and damage control.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:54 AM
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27. Only person I've talked with that say will vote McC over Obama are "thinking indepents"
who think McCain is preferable because, after all, he's not a "real" conservative and he has Experience(tm). All Democrats I've talked with are either ecstatic over Obama being the candidate, or sad that Clinton isn't but will vote Obama anyway because McCain is more of the same nutzoid lying assholery that we've put up with for the last long time.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:43 AM
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41. DH is an Egghead Independent, he's voting Obama on issues ie. foreign policy
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:47 AM
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29. I wouldn't doubt that some rabid hillbots are carryout their threats to
vote for McSame. They are some sick women to give up all that we as a party has fought for because of hillary. Thanks Hillary.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:04 AM
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31. I am not buying this bullshit at all...
there might be a very small number who are doing this, but I highly doubt their Dem credentials.

It is more than likely just a repig trick.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:22 AM
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32. No candidate ever
gets 100% support from his/her party. McCain can tout whatever he will, whether made up or true, he will still lose badly.

He was chosen to run against Hillary as the democratic nominee, a task for which he was reasonably well suited, given the available options. He has more "experience" and P.O.W. "toughness". His resume / portfolio was chosen as the best match against Hillary's campaign frame.

McCain, as most Republicans would, will have an extremely tough time coming across as a "change agent". His experience and long partisan ties work against him in this frame. Mitt Romney would have been a better choice to run against Barack, a lame choice that would have failed as well, but not as poorly. He at least had a non-Washington resume, and less obvious connections to the current regime.

George W will finally get a successful "regime change" under his belt, what will seem curious to him, is that he is the head of the regime that will be changed. But then, as the bumper sticker said "regime change begins at home".
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:35 AM
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33. McCain is just surprised
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 07:36 AM by Jake3463
He wasn't getting any calls for volunteering before the few angry Hillary supporters.

Remember McCain is actually less popular in his own party than Obama is even with the Angry Hillary supporters.

One trip to Free Republic and you'll see they actually have been bashing McCain more than we have in the past 2 months.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:41 AM
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36. "who identify themselves as Democrats" ~~~ Uh-huh.
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:42 AM
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38. Well, I don't know now...
I mean it's not like the Repubs would ever lie about something like this, now would they?:eyes:


seriously, I think this is more about McCain's camp's wishful thinking and hype-hope than anything else.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:43 AM
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40. Its the 200 or so idiots at HCF.net
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 07:44 AM by Wolsh
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:44 AM
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42. Gosh,you don't suppose this could be a republican lie
designed to sow discord within the Democratic party,do you?They wouldn't stoop that low,would they?:think:
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 07:51 AM
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44. these people are mostly Republicans who changed their registration to vote for Hillary....
Now they are going home and getting some getting excellent media coverage....on the way..
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:06 AM
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45. Operation Chaos...prolly led by Rush...
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:14 AM
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46. Lies, Lies, and more Lies.........
So typical of the Repugs...just more misdirection and misinformation. If a true Dem in all honesty cannot get behind Obama, THEY WOULD NOT WORK TO GET A REPUBLICAN ELECTED. Period, end of story. After 8 disastrous years of the Bush debacle, no real Dem would work for McBush.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:10 AM
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48. I wouldn't trust a Rescumlican if they told me the sky is blue.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:12 AM
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49. I think there's a concern troll at DU trying to create fear in Democrats.
Do you have any idea who that could be? :shrug:
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:13 AM
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50. "Trust but Verify"--------here's how
"Follow the money"!

If democrats in significant numbers are moving to McCain his list of donors and overall dollars will go up while his average $ per donation will go down.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:15 AM
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51. Two people called instead of one
That's 100% increase!

I don't think that many who really were Democrats are going to jump on the campaign bus for Bush's 3rd term.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:04 AM
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54. Bush wasn't enough. They're thirsty for more
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:08 AM
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55. Of course we believe everything Rick Davis says !
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 10:08 AM by Overseas
As McDrain's campaign manager he would surely tell us the truth and of course ABC isn't biased at all.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:16 AM
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56. We'll see many Republicans and Independents volunteering for Obama as well.
This is clearly going to be a realignment election!
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