Obama "needs" the Clintons like he needs a bad rash.

[dailykoff]

There's nothing their mountains of baggage and corrupt deals have to offer the Obama campaign but a load of debts for a toxic vanity campaign.

Other than that, let's hear it for unity!

[StevieM]

1. That's right....there is a new coalition. Except there isn't. He is totally dependent on her to

win the GE.

Steve

[OzarkDem]

2. Here we go again

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Fuck the hate, fuck the haters

Give it up. It's an unhealthy obsession.

[dailykoff]

4. EMILY's List backs Obama.

The Hillary nightmare is over, almost over at least. Praise be.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. your irrational hate is hurting this board

hurting the party, and hurting your candidate. Grow the fuck up.

[dailykoff]

15. I'm pointing out that Obama owes them nothing

and has nothing to gain from wasting his time or money on their CIA psychodrama. Soon enough he'll be in a position to send that entire pack of trolls packing and I hope to heaven he does.

[WillyToad]

35. Anger has destroyed some Obama supporters integrity,...

Nothing a good year or two in front of a good shrink wouldnt cure.

[EFerrari]

38. LOL

[Moochy]

5. My ignore list cleaned up all the bad rash on this thread

[OhioBlue]

6. enough.

I am an Obama supporter. But seriously, your post offers no substance other than to attack the Clintons. Does he need them? yes and no.

Obama needs to be able to run his own campaign and his own White House. But to think that he doesn't need their support is silly. Plus, they are great assets to our party as advisers, especially on foreign policy. They have been in the White House. They will probably end up being Obama's best outlet and sounding board once his is POTUS.

He does also need them b/c he does need Hillary at least to be the leader that we know she can be and rally her supporters to get behind the Dem ticket.

[dailykoff]

8. Your intentions are good but I think the Clintons are way overrated.

They clearly don't have any idea how to run a clean campaign, and as far as foreign policy, if Hillary hadn't hopped on the murderous Bush-Cheney-Halliburton gravy train on day one she might have had a chance, although I really doubt it.

[rug]

10. You clearly don't have any idea how to write a clean post.

[dailykoff]

11. Ha.

If you knew what I really wanted to say you'd call this a VERY clean post.

[OhioBlue]

12. foreign policy isn't only her IWR vote

They have been there, they have traveled as Heads of State and made connections with foreign leaders, past and present. There is experience in the Clinton family that is a wealth of information and knowledge.

Bill has appointed ambassadors, SOS, AG, SOD, made nominations for SC, worked with the Congress on legislation, worked through so many things in his 8 years as POTUS. There is a reason that the men who have been POTUS age so quickly. Dem or Repug, it is the most difficult job that neither you nor I can even imagine. Bill (for all of the criticisms that I have of him at this moment) had been there and done that. It is an unbelievable difficult office and responsibility to hold. They can be an asset.

Even if I don't approve of the direction that they took the Dem party, they are Dems and he is the most recent Dem Pres. Besides that, we do have to appreciate Hill's run for the historic significance and her unapologetic attempt at the advancement of a woman in politics.

[EFerrari]

14. There are many people who have those skills that Obama can call on

and "appreciating" Hillary Clinton's run doesn't necessitate giving her power in the (knock on formica) new Obama administration.

Obama doesn't need to be involved in a stick up right now. He needs the party behind him, not in his face with their hands out.

The soap opera that we talk about mostly obscures the titanic power struggle that is going on right now, and that involves a lot of people, not only Hillary and Obama, or even Bill Clinton. A lot of that power will go into new, different hands, imho, and the process won't be pretty. :scared:

As the most public face of the outgoiong power holders in the Democratic Party, Bill Clinton and Hillary will probably have the roughest time. Besides Obama, that is.

[dailykoff]

16. Yes exactly.

And the Clintons didn't hesitate to toss their appointees under the bus at the first sign of trouble either. I'm thinking of Lani Guinere, Les Aspen, Joceyln Elders, and the list goes on.

[EFerrari]

18. Yep. I know I'm biased but have zero trust in them right now.

I hope Obama is getting some support from the Al Gores and the John Kerrys and the Howard Deans quietly right now.

[dailykoff]

20. It's a shame Ted K. is laid up but I hope he's still in the loop.

I wonder if he would have counseled against the church break-up last weekend if he'd had a chance to weigh in. I kind of think that's going to be a problem later on, like when Obama needs to do his holiday service photo-ops. Where's he going to go?

And as far as Bill goes, I'm sure he'll be giving LOTS of advice whether he's on the payroll or not.

[EFerrari]

25. Obama has been making national contacts for a year and a half.

He'll find a church home if he needs one.

But I agree that Wright will be brought up again. Obama will be our Muslim candidate with a radical black pastor. That's right up the 33%ers alley.

[dailykoff]

26. Good point. He'll find a church once the family moves to DC.

Still I think he'll have a problem with it in the meantime. I guess he can more or less get along without one until Christmas, and by that time the campaign will be over, but handling the Muslim thing is going to be tricky without a church to be photographed on the steps of.

[Kool Kitty]

43. What muslim thing?

[dailykoff]

46. You've alread forgotten March and Aprl?

The e-mails and Kenya photo will be back, you can be sure.

[Kool Kitty]

51. No, I haven't forgotten that.

I guess I just thought it was bullshit. And the people that believe any of that are assholes. I thought it was some new crap.

[OhioBlue]

17. honestly, there are not many people that have that experience

We cannot imagine what it is like to be POTUS. Only those that have been or have been close to a POTUS can imagine. They will be a sounding board and they will be advisers in some role for some things.

I agree with a point that I think you are trying to make that Obama doesn't need to be pressured into making Hill his VP or even part of his admin. But, they will still be an asset to his administration if they want to be.

[EFerrari]

19. Considering all the stuff Bill Clinton said about Obama

it's really difficult to imagine him in the role of a mentor any more and that's too bad.

On edit: That's one sided. There are likely lingering resentments on both sides. After all, those two people are human.

Maybe those things can be set aside but that will take some time.

[dailykoff]

22. A lot has changed in the last eight years.

Bill has been out of politics and just about every world leader has been replaced. I think he'd be a fine advisor if he and Obama were politically in tune, but I think they are not. Bill was frankly a patsy for the neocons and enabled a lot of the crap they're pulling now.

For example, we all know about NAFTA, but Bill also green-lighted the CIA rendition program, kept the bombs falling on Iraq, signed wretched immigration, telecommunications, and welfare "reform" legislation, and started beating the terrorism drum, which I've concluded is a total hoax pulled for the benefit of weapons and logistics corporations who have ruled the roost since Reagan days.

[Catherine Vincent]

7. That's it....get it all out of your system. nt

[dailykoff]

9. That's more or less what I'm doing.

If she makes a decent show of solidarity tomorrow I'll play along, but frankly I expect nothing but trouble from the Clintons until November and beyond.

[peaceoutnow]

21. And the point of your post is?

To see how many Hillary supporters you can annoy because the anger died down a little bit?

You have no respect for the Clintons, that's obvious. But you also have none for the people who supported HIllary, and that isn't just rude. It's stupid and dangerous if we want to win in November!

[dailykoff]

23. The point is to put the Clinton problem in realistic terms.

Obama doesn't "need" the Clintons; he could destroy them politically in a single speech if he wanted to. Of course he won't for many reasons, but they're in no position to make demands and neither are their surrogates.

[EFerrari]

24. So, did you register here to be the thread police?

Is someone forcing you to read this conversation?

[peaceoutnow]

54. And you're here to prove how rude you can be?

I just love how it's absolutely impossible to have a civil conversation here, which is why I (and a lot of other people) don't POST.

[EFerrari]

60. I've had great conversations here that last for days.

They usually don't start with "and your point would be?"

[blonndee]

44. I think we can handle this, thanks anyway.

kbai.

[jgraz]

27. Actually, I think the bad rash would net him more crossover voters.

[dailykoff]

29. Good thinking. The Preparation H crowd would have a hero

Irregularity would also be a bonus.

[jgraz]

31. Hey, you don't need a rash to use Preparation H

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SkinCare/story?id=4966867&page=1

[dailykoff]

33. Wow.

Who knew! :wow:

[cynatnite]

28. Even Obama knows he needs Hillary's supporters...

He needs her supporters, her donors and he needs her. Obama's a smart enough man to know that he needs as much help as he can get to fight the repukes and to win the WH.

So, get over the hate and dump the pettiness.

[dailykoff]

30. What donors?

She's $31 million in the hole. Yes, he needs her supporters, but most of them are now Obama supporters anyway aren't they? And the rest I'm not sure he should bother wooing as he'd probably lose as many votes in the process.

[cynatnite]

32. Many of her donors are maxed out and she still has a top-rated fundraising machine.

Obama's team did an excellent job in beating her, but she still has one of the best rolodexes in D.C. Hillary can do a lot for his campaign.

Why should Obama risk alienating her supporters by throwing out Hillary like yesterday's trash? Why take the chance when the White House is at stake?

[EFerrari]

36. Can you see Obama doing such a thing? I can't.

He's not the kind of person that would neglect to acknowledge the achievements of a close competitor, or, at least, he hasn't so far.

[cynatnite]

40. No, he wouldn't, but the OP believes that Obama doesn't need Clinton...

I just disagree.

[EFerrari]

42. I also don't believe the Clintons will be an asset at this moment.

And, it would be good to be wrong about the stuff I'm worrying about. No kidding.

[cynatnite]

45. I know some folks feel that way and it's okay...

Right now the important thing is getting Obama in the WH and anyone who claims to want it, better put some action behind those words...that includes the Clintons.

I'm a big Hillary supporter and if I feel her heart's not in it or that she's not doing everything that she could be doing, I'll be the first to say so.

Getting Obama in the WH comes first. :)

[EFerrari]

49. Thank you, cynatnite. Hopefully tomorrow will clear a lot of this stuff up!

:)

[blonndee]

48. Me too.

Just wanted you to know I feel you and I'm with you. I think a lot of us are. It's just too much to say so.

[EFerrari]

50. It's been a long season. I expect we're tired and ready for this to be resolved.

Thank you, blonndee. We all came into this contest with hopes and wishes. Some of us have been through two or three picks and commitments. That's a lot of emotional mileage.

I hope tomorrow will help us get to a calmer place. :hi:

[dailykoff]

37. If she wants to raise money for Obama or the DNC, that's fine

I'll be surprised if she even covers her own debt, but let's hope she does. Putting her in his campaing or administration or making any quid pro quos would be a big mistake though. The best he can expect is a half-ass endorsement and hoping against hope she doesn't try to grab the headlines between now and November.

[cynatnite]

41. Well, I guess we'll wait until tomorrow when you'll be wrong :) n/t

[Carolina]

59. what part of SHE DOESN'T OWN

her much vaunted supporters don't people get.

Shit, if she has soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many supporters, let them pay off her campaign debt!

TRUE DEMOCRATS will vote for the the nominee.

[WillyToad]

34. Fortunately Obama has the ability to 'get over it'

unlike yourself...

[Enrique]

39. he knows he needs them

that's what counts.

[dailykoff]

47. Seriously, how many Dems are not going to vote Dem in November?

I think the actual numbers are exceedingly small.

[Jim Sagle]

52. The reverse hold true as well.

She could easily flip him the bird and then go hit the beach.

[dailykoff]

53. And that would be the end of Hillary Clinton.

Frankly I don't see why he doesn't just let her go hang herself, instead of cutting her down and dusting her off repeatedly, but I guess he has his reasons. :shrug:

[workinclasszero]

55. Our long national nightmare is almost over

Hillary concedes today!:toast:

(I'll believe it when I see it)

[FarCenter]

56. He needs Hillary, but send Bill on a world tour with George HW Bush

Obama doesn't need the Bill Clinton baggage. He's as radioactive as George Bush.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

57. Nothing To Offer ROFLMAO!!!!

God some of you have lost your minds. I swear to god. :crazy:

[Carolina]

58. Completely agree!

All you said plus they are the past as shown by their campaign strategy.

All that 90s baggage plus Lord knows what shady deals and bimbo shenanigans since 2001!

No way, not ever. New day, new people!