I *FINALLY* Believe

[Autonomy]

I have long willingly suspended disbelief, and retained my optimism in the innate goodness of all that is Clinton-Democrat, that Hillary would not sabotage her own party, or her own party's candidate, by trying to bring him down for her own personal benefit.

Even as late as May, when she invoked the assassination of RFK, I defended her, saying she was merely citing an historical fact.

But, for me, the stars have finally aligned... I can't give you a reason, other than a summation of the evidence... I finally believe that Hillary absolutely does not care her party, her people, her message; she only cares about power. She wants to be president at any cost.

I believe she is leveraging her vote count to become Vice President for the sole purpose of: a) 'Joe Liebermaning' (aka torpedoing) Obama's presidential run with the idea of running against a 76-year-old McCain in 2012, or b) the unmentionable... winning... and getting the presidency the 'other' way... the one the Constitution sets out. ::shiver::

Fear of Hillary has set in my heart, my bones. She, now to me, is Stalin to Trotskyites (forgive the communist analogy), willing to sacrifice her country for possession of the levers of power. She scares me more than the incompetence of Bush. She seems to have the black heart of the Bushites, but without the bumbling incompetence. I could never have immagined going from terrible to worse, but with Hillary as VP, somehow the worse seems inevitable.

[SeaLyons]

1. You have nothing to fear but fear itself....

Relax....

[Autonomy]

3. That does not ring true to me

I think we need to fear Hillary... in the same sense that we needed to fear myriad other would-be dictators throughout history.

[SeaLyons]

4. OMG....better call 911 Emergency

[Autonomy]

6. DU *IS* 911

and I am calling.

[rusty quoin]

2. I don't understand a)...

Are you saying by her taking the VP slot Obama won't win?

[Autonomy]

5. Are you not familiar with Lieberman's

sabotage of Gore's campaign in 2000? Lieberman planned to run as president in 2004, and undermined the Florida vote recount. I am saying she plans to take such an action again, yes.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. I believe that he is saying that Hillary could become

president if Obama died...

:shrug:

[Mme. Defarge]

8. There has definitely been a totalitarian

tone to her campaign, particularly evident in the bullying tactics used by some of her gender-feminist followers.

While I don't want to fan the flames here, my level of distrust of Hillary is so profound that the thought of her being on the ticket is very distressing.

[Autonomy]

9. I am perplexed

with your depiction of her followers, but agree with your conclusion nonetheless.

[bain_sidhe]

10. U / H = PM: Cui Bono? n/t

[Mme. Defarge]

11. I don't get it.

[bain_sidhe]

12. Unity divided by hate = President McCain: Who Benefits?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. Oscar!

[grace0418]

14. Oddly enough, I know someone who is very much like her.

I work with this woman (I'll call her Queenie, because that's everyone's nickname for her anyway), and she was a big reason why I've never supported Hillary from the start.

Anyway, Queenie is now my boss, but started in the same position I continue to hold (and I've worked here longer). When you initially meet her you think she's really great. She's smart, capable, liberal, friendly, quick-witted. She befriends everyone very quickly, going out to lunch, hosting parties, etc. Then the subtle undermining begins. She still talks a good game and acts like your friend and acts like she is the most selfless bleeding-heart you ever met. But certain things start to not add up. She gossips a lot about other people, which of course makes you wonder what she's saying about you. Certain lies and half-truths get discovered. Certain "off the cuff" comments get made. Drama always seems to happen to her that makes her blameless for things that are clearly her fault.

You start to notice that she can dish out sly comments and half-truths but if anyone says anything to her that could remotely be construed as negative or offensive she flies off the handle. She starts spending more and more time in big-wigs' offices shooting the shit and less time doing her work, yet never seems to get called on her behavior. Suddenly people who've been hard workers and well-regarded by colleagues and managers alike are being set up to fail on no-win projects, and when they do fail are fired. Coincidentally, each and every one of these people has had personality conflicts with Queenie. And with each round of firings, Queenie gets promoted–without any discernible managerial skills or work ethic. Of course she acts like it's all a big shock to her, but she's willing to take on the responsibility because she cares so much. With each promotion, she does less and less work, preferring instead to pass the blame on her subordinates when things get screwed up. No one in upper management ever seems to notice that these subordinates never had any performance problems in the past, but are suddenly dropping the ball left and right when they work for Queenie. She shows up when she feels like it, leaves when she feels like it, and everyone is supposed to drop what they're doing and attend to her every whim when she does decide to make it look like she's doing her job. She will actually answer her cell phone and proceed to have long conversations with her kids and screaming arguments with her husband while you are sitting in her office talking about a project that needs to get done. The longer you know her, the more you realize that she is actually the most spoiled, selfish, vain, immature person you have ever met and will stab ANYONE in the back to get what she wants. The sense of entitlement she has seems to be the excuse she uses to justify her means. She deserves everything she has, too bad if other people had to suffer for her to get it.

It's all very disconcerting when someone like this masks their true nature in a person who claims to be liberal and just and self-less. Queenie will cry at the drop of a hat when she reads something about the environment, or the war in Iraq, or some awful thing Dubya has done. But she thinks nothing of treating everyone around her like absolute shit. It's mind-boggling.

The more I read about Hillary's behavior during her campaign, the more I saw the parallels. And because I've seen the kind of back-stabbing a person like this is capable of doing even when you think "Oh, she wouldn't go *that* far, would she?", I never, ever want to see her as the VP. Of course I will vote for Obama no matter what, and thankfully he's much smarter than the upper management in my company seems to be, but who needs to have a VP who will undermine you at every turn?

[FlaGranny]

15. Oh my god. You know her too?

I think we all know at least one person like that. Mine was many years ago in a doctor's office. His well-paid office manager was just like that. She eventually got fired when the doc discovered she was embezzling.

[grace0418]

21. Everyone in my department keeps hoping that someone up front

will see through her little charade. It seems so obvious to us, but she is quite the skilled manipulator. Good to hear that someone like this got caught.

[rusty quoin]

16. What a frightening portrait you paint.

I hope she does not read DU, because her of vengeful nature. (Even if she did, this is hidden in a thread) My wife worked at company with a woman just like this, her old boss...very nice and knits, and a Sunday School teacher, but the most vindictive amoral thing that ever crawled the earth. That was my wife's boss, and it was even worse. Her sister worked at the company too, a not too bright young woman who progressed rather quickly up the ladder. The two worked I tandem to undermine others to their own benefits, and like your company, the higher-ups didn't see it.

I had never thought of comparing Clinton with my wife's old boss, but I am going to give that one some thought. We've got to stop electing people with personality disorders.

[grace0418]

17. I thought about deleting the whole thing after I posted it.

But you know what, I decided not to be afraid. If she sees herself in what I've written then it proves that I've spoken the truth. I've watched her screw over so many people and everyone is too afraid of what she'll do to call her on it–even her boss (who, I suspect, is afraid Queenie is going to backstab her as well). I hope if she does see this and she does recognize herself, that maybe she starts to examine her life and make some changes. If not, I guess I'll lose my job, which was bound to happen anyway because I don't play her game.

"We've got to stop electing people with personality disorders." Couldn't agree more.

[Muttocracy]

18. wow, a couple of us were commisserating the other night about bosses like HRC

Mine had a Bill-style-husband too!

[grace0418]

19. Man, I'm sorry to hear that.

Mine has a husband who is pain-fully whipped. She will scream at him for an hour on the phone about the most petty thing imaginable, so loud we can all hear every detail of the tirade, and the next day *he* sends *her* a very expensive bouquet. If I ever spoke to my husband the way she regularly speaks to hers, he would divorce me pretty quick, and rightly so. I would never speak to another human being the way she speaks to him, at least not for the reasons she seems to think justify her tirades.

[Muttocracy]

22. actually, I quit the job! :-)

[grace0418]

23. Good plan.

That's going to have to be my next move. Unless someone in upper management finally figures out what's going on.

[rusty quoin]

24. God, these must be clones.

My wife's former boss's husband was a wimp and she walked all over him. But now as for your comparison, Bill Clinton certainly is not a wimp.

[grace0418]

25. No definitely the comparison ends at the spouses.

Bill is most definitely not a wimp.

[Poll_Blind]

26. Here's a toast to a world without "Queenies" (and "Kingies")

:toast:

PB

[grace0418]

28. From your mouth the ears of the universe.

:hi:

[slinkerwink]

20. Let The Negative Hillary Threads Sink!!!!!!!!!!!

[sybylla]

27. She is a hard one to defend

and it gets harder every day. I keep hoping her concession and endorsement will be graceful enough we can start putting this all behind us.

[windbreeze]

29. here's a start for you....

today, I received a note from Wes Clark, urging us all to Unite and support Barack Obama....it must be real...or he would NOT have sent that out...wb