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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:17 AM Original message |
Obama has no option Hillary has to be on the ticket. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. *sob* |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. Not a snowball's chance in hell. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. Of course you're just looking at democratic primary data.... |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. No I looked at the GE data and that site has been spot on every time. |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I don't feel Republicans hate her as much as they once did. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. No, actually they probably hate her more. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
57. Not true. My district is 3 to 1 GOP and they would vote for Hillary but not Barack. |
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tiptoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 07:10 AM Response to Reply #57 |
107. One lifelong Republican explains why she'll work to elect Obama: |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #107 |
121. That Tribe article was interesting. nt |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
122. Yes, but compared to what. |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #57 |
124. what district do you live in? Demographics plays a big part in that |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Only as long as they think they can get her into the election... |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
109. exactly |
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Va Lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
5. Please put down the crack pipe! |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
6. He has a lot of time to get this right... |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. This seals the deal without trying he has too many obstacles if he doesn't put her on the ticket. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. If all her supporters had a lot of passion, she wouldn't be in debt. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I donated the max allowed. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
58. She does not control 17 million voters |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
98. what a load of crap! I had "passion" for Kucinich, then for Edwards |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. ugh |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
10. America at large hasn't been introduced to Barack yet |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Not enough time, she is the only option she knows it we deny it. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
40. Balls |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
11. I trust Obama... |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Obama has been selling her to us he knows it too.. H e wants that WH. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
12. I would wait until McCain picks his...then if he picks someone |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. But what if McCain picks Hillary? |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Obama needs to act fast I doubt McSame will pick her anyway. Lieberman is all the way up his ***. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
54. Hillary has expressed her intentions to endorse Obama Saturday |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. just out of curiousity |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. none of the above. It would have been "100% AGAINST John McCain." |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
59. take off |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Are you really blinded that much by your hatred of the junior Senator from NY? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Hey, I allowed that at least *somebody* might want her on the ticket. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. yes, you really are blinded that much. :( |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Believe what you want, but no one has done more to hurt the Dems this year than Hillary. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. You got that right..it's |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Sorry but I am not a Senator Clinton supporter. The thing is, she has been |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. News flash: She IS evil and disgusting |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. As I said, blind. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Dude, I just gave you about a dozen DOCUMENTED reasons why Hillary has earned our disgust |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. No, you gave me a dozen opinion pieces, I would go back to read it for the |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. So your point is she's not as evil as Rove or Nixon? Pretty low bar you've set there. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Sure...George Smathers v Claude Pepper-US Senate, Florida 1950 |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:26 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Let's not mince words -- this was unprecedented in a presidential race. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. *snort* I still to this day do not see what the big deal is about a primary fight |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:38 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. This was not a healthy fight. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:47 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Ads have to be effective, who is to say theirs will be? Not much is working for them. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. It is one of the posters that will make it impossible for Obama to win over Hillary fans. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:32 AM Response to Reply #71 |
87. Just the whiney Hillary fans who can't take criticism on an anonymous message board |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #71 |
91. Deleted message |
Citizen_Penn (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #67 |
130. Investing a lot of effort in insulting the home team - aren't you? |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
46. Sad that this can now be reasonably taken seriously. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. It's her last, best hope to be president. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
118. get real n/t |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
70. only an idiot would suggest such a thing. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I'm shocked you haven't suggested it, then. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:40 AM Response to Reply #73 |
116. I am not since I am not the idiot. bye bye. |
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gorekerrydreamticket (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
112. Then I'll try to catch some of the pigs flying around.....n/m |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Good point. nt |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
20. I smell bullshit in the morning. n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #20 |
52. Smells like ... sockpuppets. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
21. BullFeathers...Obama has any option |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I know why you feel like that, it's understandable. But the facts are we have too many obstacles.. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. The facts are you don't know what's going |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
23. You have no chance to survive make your time? |
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Boo Boo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
24. Nonsense. /nt |
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Growler (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
25. not a chance |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. It's not that I am now a Hillary supporter. I am being a realist, sometimes reality ain't what we |
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Growler (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. I understand |
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goletian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
31. that is very tempting. but its the wrong decision. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
32. I disagree. I really like Hillary, but I've been afraid for the entire |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
36. Grrrrrrrrr..... |
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papapi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
37. Hillary will not be the VP pick. Take it to the bank. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
38. Hillary has made it so Obama CAN'T put her on the ticket. |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Oh, is that the new reason? (eom) |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. No, the real reason is that she's emphatically unqualified for the position |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Well that works out well. Because Barack is unqualified to be president. So they are even. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. So please, go work for McCain. |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Did you read my post? I said I would vote for him. The fact that an Obama supporter just told |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Your delusional scenario makes it much better for us if you're on the other side. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. someone today told me "every vote counts...even if you do not think it does." |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. They're wrong. One vote counts very little. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
76. That is what I said about how one vote does not matter. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:17 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. This one vote |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. There is time yet to gently work over a person-instead of going "SUPPORT THIS SECOND OR YOU ARE A |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:50 AM Response to Reply #81 |
96. Give it a try |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:55 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Always give those who had a loss time to grieve. It is really like a death in one's life. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:14 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Maybe later, then |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #99 |
135. But... by any rational standard, this "loss" occurred back in March. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Oh fuck off, honestly Jgraz, you are such a jackass about it being over. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Voting is important, but activism is much more important |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:32 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. So that means instead of going "hey, let us touch base in a few weeks after you have some |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:49 AM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Maybe I'm tired, but I don't understand your post at all |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. basically I think you are being too quick to throw away possible votes |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
44. It's too early to make a VP choice. |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
49. Obama needs to wait at least two weeks and consult with his internal pollsters. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
60. She should be a consideration |
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livingmadness (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Yep - totally agree Fuji |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 05:05 AM Response to Reply #60 |
104. ... |
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tiptoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. kick |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
61. I have no problem with this, so long as the Clintons submit to a thorough vetting. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
65. Obama can prove his strength and independence by NOT having Hillary on the ticket. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
68. Those numbers do not ensure |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
72. She's a downticket ebola pandemic. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:56 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Gross. |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
78. People made somegood points on the thread I just looked at the numbers than the scandals. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:22 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. well since she has the experience, such as it is, meme to use |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:29 AM Response to Original message |
85. We have to change the fucked up direction of this country NOW, or it will never be changed. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:40 AM Response to Original message |
90. lol |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
92. No. |
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2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:48 AM Response to Original message |
94. that's funny |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 03:59 AM Response to Original message |
100. Have you SEEN her "Night of the Living Dead" Supporters? |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 04:37 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I think the word you want is Elvis |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #100 |
113. UNintended Consequences of the Final,Frantic Run: |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 05:02 AM Response to Original message |
103. don't be ridiculous. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
105. SURVEY SAYS |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Richard! WE'll Play! Hillary? Sit Down! |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 05:10 AM Response to Original message |
106. it would turn into a replay of primary disagreements |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
110. Never say, "You've got NO option" to the Obama Campaign. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
114. Karl, is that you? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
115. That would turn a probable loss in November to a near certain defeat |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
117. he would be foolish to pick based on polls in late May/early June |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
119. Obama would lose if Hillary was on the ticket. |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
120. That would go against everything Obama stands for and make him a liar. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
123. you're probably right |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
125. Electability is NOT going to be Obama's #1 criteria for V.P. |
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maui9002 (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Doesn't it make you the slightest bit nervous that Republicans seem willing to help Hillary?* |
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maui9002 (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Oops; that last message was meant to be a reply to OP.* |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Yeap, they want her around but my understanding is since Bill wont open his donations records it's a |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
126. Electability is NOT going to be Obama's #1 criteria for V.P. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
131. No serious election watcher believes that spin. Did you also believe HRC had a chance to win after |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
132. Yea ...right after this happens........ |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
133. Heard an analysis of this issue on NPR yesterday... |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
134. Meme-aliscious! |
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