For Those Pondering Sexism:

[Mezzo]

In the course of a RECENT twenty four hour period here at DU, Obamamaniacs did the following:

> called me acidic (I wonder if they'd have said that if I were a man)

> invited me to suck them off to completion (and yes that is an exact quote) Not ONLY that, but other posters came in chiding and cheering such a post. Thankfully the mods didn't, and deleted it. But again, if I were a man, would the same invitation have been extended? Would that person even DARE say that to a man?

> and told me they were going to have me banned since they wanted to see who Skinner "liked more" (I shit you not). This was because I have an opinion that differs from his.

Top that off with OBama's Republican playbook mailer in Ohio (Harry and Louise), him standing idly by whilst a national figure called his opponent a "fucking whore" (which WOULD BE fine were it not for his indignation at another national figure calling a girl's basketball team "nappy headed ho's") and it is clear to see why I am an undecided voter right now.

And THEN they have the unmitigated fucking GALL to say "where was the sexism in this race?" They ARE what's wrong with the democratic party.

[Mooney]

1. I didn't know you were a woman.

[anigbrowl]

14. Me neither. I'm surprised.

[Abacus]

61. Nor did I

I passively assumed the "o" at then end of "Mezzo" implied male.

[Mezzo]

102. Oh well that can only mean that NO ONE HERE had any idea...

I got some enron stock, and a bridge in brooklyn.

[Warren DeMontague]

111. How the fuck is anyone supposed to know? Your profile isn't enabled.

From your name I thought maybe you were Italian, but I had no idea about your gender.

[rodeodance]

129. Why say those horrible things to any DU member!! shameful.

[iconicgnom]

139. If you get dizzy from all that indignation, I recommend you lie down,

take slow deep breaths until your heartrate normalizes and the sweating stops, then perhaps do a couple hours of yoga.

[Occam Bandage]

144. ...how were people supposed to know, exactly? You have a disabled profile, and while you're active

enough, you're not exactly a super-well-known personality; it's not like you come in every three days to post pics of yourself at rallies or stuff like that.

[bunnies]

2. Acidic = Sexist?

Sorry. You've really gone off the deep end with that one. It makes it impossible to seriously consider anything else you've posted.

[RandomKoolzip]

7. Does it have something to do with pH balance?

:shrug:

[bunnies]

25. Or lemons perhaps?

:shrug: beats me!

[Mezzo]

10. How many times have you heard 'acidic' associated with a man?

[Mooney]

16. ...

[bunnies]

21. Actually, I've never heard it associated with anyone.

Male or female. In such an occasion, I use toxic.

[TheWraith]

23. Where do you get that it's associated with gender at all?

Acidic means acidic: harsh, bitter, angry, venomous, et al.

[anigbrowl]

24. I don't keep count, but it wouldn't sound strange to me.

Dick Cheney seems pretty acidic to me, for example. I think you could apply it to any very passive-aggressive person.

[LowerManhattanite]

39. Um..all the time?

(The acidic comedian Bill Hicks) http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:4_GTPdXfrh4J:ldn.flavorpill.net/mailer/issue136/index.html+acidic+comedian&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=safari

(Stevie Wonder's acidic dismissal of Richard Nixon) http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Fulfillingness-First-Finale/Stevie-Wonder/e/601215735628

(And it was just one guy with a too acidic attitude) http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:fjuQcmHBBqgJ:www.infidelguy.com/ftopicp-8250.html+acidic+attitude&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=safari

Get over yourself.

[Mezzo]

62. LOL. Stevie Wonder referencing fucking NIXON is all the time? LOFL

:rofl:

Get that thirty year reference out. OMG!! It practically proves my point for me.

[TheWraith]

91. Uh, no, nothing could prove your point.

Because your point is delusional.

[LowerManhattanite]

95. It's a common term for someone who has an abrasive, corrosive attitude.

Comedians are referred to as having “acidic senses of humor”.

It HAS NO sexual identity in its usage. NONE WHATSOEVER.

You're using it (and badly I might add, as it shows you have little or no grasp of english vocabulary) as a stalking horse for your rabid, partisan, hyper-victimology.

The word is interchangeable with “corrosive“ and “venomous” in describing one's personality or speaking style.

Go look it up. Remember, books go from from left-to-right / top-to-bottom. Okay?

[Mezzo]

118. there are LOTS of "common terms" that are offensive.

see how tidy brevity can be?

[LowerManhattanite]

121. “Acidic” is offensive? Really?

Wrong. Ask anyone smarter than yourself—which shouldn't be hard—and see what they tell you.

You'd be surprised. If you could grasp it.

[Hugabear]

41. Why don't you compile a complete list of terms that are now considered "sexist"?

After all, the fact that "acidic" is a sexist term caught most of us by surprise - especially since whomever called you that had no way to tell what your gender was.

Since that person unknowingly used a sexist term, maybe you could give us a list of other seemingly innocuous terms that could be construed as sexist.

[Mezzo]

64. why don't you try to realize there's some sexist shit going on, and shove the list? The get over

YOURSELF.

[Hugabear]

123. Maybe, but doesn't help when you're making up shit to be offended about

Seriously - "acidic" is now a sexist term?

Please tell the rest of the class exactly what is "sexist" about that word - besides the fact that you just say that it is.

[Danger Mouse]

44. I've never heard it used as an insulted, to be honest.

[LowerManhattanite]

48. Men who have been called acidic...

Sam Kinison


Dick Nixon


Fred Allen


Don Rickles


Paul Lynde

etc.

[cottonseed]

56. I like Don Rickles. Maybe acidic is some sort of compliment.

[TheWraith]

93. It can be, i.e. referencing someone's "acid pen" or "acid tongue" can be either good or bad.

Depending on how the person uses it.

[redqueen]

88. Yup.

Definitely a :wtf: moment.

[RandomKoolzip]

3. Guys tell other guys to suck their dicks all the time.

It's a classic insult.

[Mooney]

6. Sometimes it's not even an insult.

Sometimes it's a sincere invitation.

[RandomKoolzip]

9. Hell, many of us would do nothing else if we could do it to ourselves.

[Mooney]

13. God knows I would.

[Kool Kitty]

136. Oh my God-you two are killing me.

:rofl:

[Mezzo]

15. Black people call each other 'niggers' all the time...would it be cool if I started?

[Mooney]

22. Yes!

Run outside and do it right now!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. LOL!

[RandomKoolzip]

140. Holy shit!

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

29. If no one knows your group affiliations, you can't blame them

for not respecting them. That was your choice. :shrug:

[Mezzo]

52. your claim assumes no one can discern my sex from my posting, and of course you'd be wrong.

That's like saying, "I had no idea they were Latino when that heavily accented man called to see my rental and I said it was rented even though it's vacant." Play stupid all you want.

[TheWraith]

110. So you have an accent on your text-only posts?

Let me remind you: on the internet, nobody knows you're a woman, or a 14 year old, or a space alien, or the head of MGM. And nobody particularly gives a fuck.

There's an obvious difference between interacting with somebody in "meatspace," where you immediately can deduce things about them, and interacting online. I defy you to show me exactly where your posts have a "female accent."

[EFerrari]

112. No, it's not like that.

Type fonts don't have accents.

But thanks for calling me stupid. :thumbsup:

[hfojvt]

68. no they don't.

A black co-worker educated me as to the distinction between ni&&a and ni&&er. And two others that I asked agreed about that distinction. Doesn't mean they are gonna accept either word from a cracker.

[Hugabear]

125. "black people call each other 'niggers' all the time" - do you see anything wrong with that?

First of all, you're making a pretty sweeping generalization.

Secondly, it's patently false. There might be a sub-culture that uses that term (and even then, it's usually "nigga" and not "nigger"), but that doesn't mean that black people in general use that term all the time!

[Occam Bandage]

143. Yes. Go for it.

[Blue-Jay]

92. Hell, I tell you that almost every day!

Only because you're a sexy motherfucker.

[RandomKoolzip]

138. And because you know I like doing it.

[Hugabear]

133. I have never - EVER - heard anyone tell another person "suck my dick to completion"

Which really makes me wonder what the actual terminology involved was. Did the offending party really say "Suck my dick to completion - which would be really odd - or did they say "Suck it", "Suck my dick", "Blow me" or any variation thereof? It doesn't make it right, and if the offending person truly knew the gender of the OP then it really could be considered sexist. But as others have pointed out, men say "Suck it" or "Blow me" to each other all the time.

In this case, context and intent truly does mean everything.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

134. its homophobic in those instances, and i think you know that.

[RandomKoolzip]

135. I DO know that. My argument is with the OP's contention that guys DON'T

tell each other to suck their dicks all the time. They do.

[anonymous171]

4. You're a woman?

[Danger Mouse]

5. Assholes sometimes say sexist things.

But they are still assholes.

[Mezzo]

66. This is very true. LOL

[EFerrari]

8. You have no posted profile AND you're arguing sexism?

How does that work, exactly?

[msallied]

11. How in the hell can you claim sexism when most people don't know your gender? lol

[Mezzo]

54. play stupid all you want.

[hfojvt]

71. How do you know they are playing?

Is it too much work to provide a non-insulting explanation, that a) maybe you had a profile before or b) maybe you mentioned your gender in a post or two? So much easier to fling a one line insult, but doesn't really help you collect allies.

[msallied]

73. Who the hell is playing stupid?

Is being psychic a requirement for playing on the internet now?

[Mezzo]

117. again, I repeat, pretend that MOST PEOPLE is equal to "the offending ones who did know"

is a bit silly.

[Emit]

12. What did you write to prompt someone to respond with

"suck them off to completion"?

I have to ask.

[Mezzo]

19. stop blaming the victim, it doesn't matter.

[Toucano]

33. Stop trying to play the victim

You're not the victim of sexism in your interactions on DU because no one knew you are a woman.

Period.

Nothing more to say about your examples.


However, there has definitely been sexism in the campaign against Hillary Clinton, and I am sure you have experienced it in other venues.

[Mezzo]

70. You don't get to claim NO ONE knew I am a woman. You ALSO don't get to blame the victim.

for someone ELSE'S insult.

[Toucano]

108. Okay. You are the victim of an insult.

If the person who insulted you did not know your sex, you are not the victim of sexism (in this instance).

I don't know if they did or not, actually, so I'll grant you that.

[Emit]

45. It matters what you said, imo

I teach my daughters, for example, that if they can dish it out, they better be able to deal with the consequences. If my 17 year old says, "Fuck you bastard" to some pimpley-nosed boy, she better learn to expect, "Fuck you bitch" or, "Suck my dick" in return.

That's a harsh reality, but, that's the way it is if we want equality.

So, what did you say that prompted such a vulgar response?

[Swamp Rat]

55. edit: I am leaving this thread, as it serves no purpose.... SUPPORT OBAMA!!!

[Mezzo]

69. bullshit. BE TRUE TO YOURSELF NO MATTER HOW THEY TRY TO BULLY YOU

It was a guy asking me to suck him off, so if you saw it, and claim something else, you are LYING PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

[Swamp Rat]

76. edit: I am leaving this thread, as it serves no purpose.... SUPPORT OBAMA!!!

[Mezzo]

84. or you're wrong. Don't let ANYBODY bully you: BE TRUE TO YOURSELF

[Swamp Rat]

85. I am leaving this thread, as it serves no purpose..... SUPPORT OBAMA!!!

[Mezzo]

89. I am glad you're leaving since you weren't really adding anything. BE TRUE TO YOURSELF.

[Swamp Rat]

90. Cut out this bull shit and SUPPORT OBAMA

[Mezzo]

96. Be true to your word, you said you were leaving: BE TRUE TO YOURSELF

[Emit]

78. What was the exchange?

The entire context? If you make a claim, please, provide appropriate details so that others can judge for themselves whether they feel your claim is valid.


If you said something offensive to prompt the response, do you not think that matters in the broader context, especially if the poster didn't know you were a female and may have, in fact, been a female as well. See, context does matter in this case, imo.

[Emit]

72. So, I guess now, the Million Dollar question is...

when two women exchange vulgar barbs that are (perceived as) sexist in nature (or, at a minimum, that refer to various sex acts :shrug: for lack of any better way to explain it), is it sexism?

Thanks for the details, Swamp Rat. I guess I don't spend enough waking hours on DU because I always seem to miss what happens before all the 'deleted posts' show up.

[Swamp Rat]

81. edit: I am leaving this thread, as it serves no purpose.... SUPPORT OBAMA!!!

[Mezzo]

86. "he clicked on the profile and thought it was funny"

and misread the poster for a female.

whatevs.

[Mezzo]

97. You were leaving the thread because you got pwned: BE TRUE TO YOURSELF.

[Emit]

103. You are absolutely...

right to opt out of this thread and focus on supporting Obama, Swamp Rat -- and that is why I hesitate to even get involved in these threads -- the 'he said, she said', or 'she said, she said' posts :crazy:, overshadowed with claims of sexism, are quite frustrating and often end in hyperbole. It'll just get locked anyway. But, for some odd reason, I was so compelled to ask about it this time, regrettably. I'm inclined to do as you did and delete my posts, but I will let them be and move on. I said what I have to say and, obviously, the OP doesn't agree. :hi:

edit for clarity

[Mezzo]

106. LMAO!! "you are absolutely right" when he EDITED HIS POSTS to nothing to hide that shit

:rofl:

[Emit]

113. I said Swamp Rat was right to opt out of this thread

and I trust SR to offer an honest account.

Unless you are willing to provide the full context of your claims, no one really is going to be able to trust that what you claim here is in fact what actually transpired. Now, I, too, will be moving along to more positive efforts. :hi:

[Mezzo]

115. I am sorry to have inferred it incorrectly. To each his own and all.

I am trying to be HONEST. I am not concern trolling, tantrum throwing, whatevs. I am stating my beef, yanno? There has been some overtly sexist shit getting spewed by some of the very same people who claim "there is nothing to see here". I am not trying to imply that those posters are you or SwampRat, but that ALSO doesn't mean some sexist shit wasn't going down.

[Mezzo]

99. but you didn't leave...does that make you a LIAR? : BE TRUE TO YOURSELF

[scheming daemons]

17. Until this OP, I never knew you were a woman

PS. I have told many males to figuratively "suck my dick".

[Mezzo]

74. You don't get males telling you to

'suck their dick to completion. There I said it. i went THERE. Suck me dick to completion.' You also don't get to tell me when I can and can't be offended at that shit.

I don't care if you knew I was female or not. The person who posted to me knew. That, of course, is what matters in the context.

But thanks.

[Hugabear]

124. Actually, guys do get that a lot

I've had a lot of guys tell me to "suck their dicks".

I've also been told to "fuck off" - is that a sexist term as well?

[Cheap_Trick]

18. What's wrong with the Democratic party

are people who are holding it for ransom, threatening to withhold their votes if they don't get what they want, like petulant little children.

I forget that hillshills are perfect angels who never do nuttin' wrong. :sarcasm:

I've never been called names here by hillshills. :sarcasm:

I've never been told by a hillshill that my mother (who died when I was 2) fucked an elephant. :sarcasm:

Hillary never stood by while surrogates and husbands made racist and otherwise slimy remarks about Obama. :sarcasm:

If you think hillary lost due to "sexism", how the flying fuck do you think she would have won the GE?

[Danger Mouse]

28. No shit, someone said 'your momma fucked an elephant' to you?

That's foul.
What asshole said that?

[reflection]

37. Yeah, that's pretty harsh.

Although I did get a great tusk job once from an elephant-of-the-evening in Angola. :sarcasm:

[Cheap_Trick]

47. bah

Rhinos are better....

[Cheap_Trick]

46. Don't remember the name offhand

and he's not on my iggy list for some reason. But he sure took it personal when I questioned why Bill Clinton has been acting so different these past few months.

[Mezzo]

75. Where does my OP reference Hillary? Since it doesn't, your point is bullshit.

For the matter, had I seen someone telling you hat your mother fucked an elephant, I'd have alerted it. But don't try to highjack the actions by saying it's her. This shit happened HERE. to ME.

[TheWraith]

20. No, you're an "undecided voter" because you're having a tantrum.

I'm not saying that to be rude, but that's what it is. You didn't get your choice, so instead of behaving in an adult manner and accepting it, you want to blame somebody.

Frankly, I could find a list ten times worse and longer of things that Clinton supporters have said on DU. If you're going to try and read into everything that anyone says to you, you're going to be justifiably mocked.

By the way, assuming that someone really did invite you to blow them, what makes you assume that they knew you're a woman? Your name is generic, you have no profile, and it's impossible to know everybody on DU. I sure as hell wouldn't have known you were a woman if you didn't say so. So what the hell makes you think anybody else would automatically know?

Moreover, would you care to explain to me how being called "acidic" is sexist? Truth is, you WANT to see these things, because it provides a reason to believe other than the simple fact that she lost, fairly and honestly.

[Mezzo]

not at all. First off, I'm an Edwards girl.

I started posting here in the hopes of seeing another side, and all kinda kumbayah. You'll have to look for yourself though.

[TheWraith]

30. Doesn't change the fact that you're being intellectually dishonest, and having a fit...

...Because things didn't work out the way you wanted them to.

I notice you can't actually address anything I said.

[Mezzo]

79. No dear, a fit is,

'I won't vote for Obama no matter what. Fuck him AND his lying ass. I won't vote for him even if it means my vote puts McCain in office.' The OP said no such thing. Perhaps you can discern the difference before you go substituting your judgement for mine? Thanks

I ***AM**** being VERY honest with you right now. I also calmly stated why.

[TheWraith]

101. If somebody else called you "dear," you'd be screaming sexism.

And being able to say with a straight face, even for one second, that you're "undecided" between Obama and Senator Strangelove McNutcake shows that you have utterly lost perspective.

I never said you weren't being honest--I said you were being intellectually dishonest. You're looking for reasons to be offended and imbueing them with evil intent.

[Cheap_Trick]

31. maybe she writes like a girl....

Maybe she or the offending poster meant "acerbic", which is certainly NOT sexist.

Etymology

Circa 17th century, from Latin acerbus (sour, bitter).


Adjective

acerbic (comparative more acerbic, superlative most acerbic)

Positive
acerbic
Comparative
more acerbic
Superlative
most acerbic


Sour or bitter.
Sarcastic or cynical
e.g. acerbic wit; "Well, he's certainly the bright bulb among the 25-watters..."
Sharp-tempered.
Quotations:
"...he is one of the most acerbic people in his field, quick to take offense and not shy about telling people with whom he disagrees how much he thinks they have failed in thought and action." — Washington Post, May 5, 2005



Bitter...would describe Mezzo to a "T"

[Mezzo]

80. just being honest.

Oh, and 'bitter'? What a gender neutral term. Your boy would be proud.

[Cheap_Trick]

127. WTF?

good fucking god, you find offense in every little thing. I guess you're not disappointed that way. your girl would be proud. how the fuck is "bitter" gender specific anyway? your explanation should be priceless.

[palindrome]

26. There's been tons of sexism.

Those who deny it feel can go to fucking hell. ALL OF THEM. And that's coming from a man.

[EFerrari]

32. Nobody is saying there is never sexism on DU.

We just can't figure out how someone no one knew was a woman can argue she was discriminated against for being a women.

And, thank you for your thoughtful language, man, woman or fish!

[palindrome]

38. ^^I'm pretty sure we all knew she was a woman.

*

[EFerrari]

40. We all apparently didn't know she was a woman. I didn't.

On edit: Am I the only one, lol, that didn't know?

[Mezzo]

82. but the offending poster DID know

which is all that really counts.

That, coupled with Mezzo being a singing part might be a clue for people who are sharper than a marble, but whatevs

[TheWraith]

105. Not everybody is familiar with Italian opera terminology.

Second, there's more than one meaning to "Mezzo."

And how are we to take your word for gospel when you've shown a complete disconnect from reality?

[EFerrari]

119. If that happened to you, I apologize.

People can be awful behind keyboards.

[Hugabear]

42. How?

The OP has their profile hidden. So how are we supposed to know?

If we were to just assume one's gender based on their posts, couldn't that also be considered sexist?

[Danger Mouse]

43. I didn't.

[Mooney]

59. I didn't.

[gaspee]

34. Of course they deny it.

If they admitted it, they might have to stop doing it. I can't tell if they are really that deluded about themselves or are fucking liars.

[Mezzo]

94. yep.

project and blame. then deny it ever happened. "We had no idea...."

[Mezzo]

87. THank you so much. It really means a lot.

I think this thread SHOWS something. I am pretty shocked at the posts that say, "Now what did you do to deserve that" sorta thing. I shouldn't be shocked, but I am.

[crankychatter]

27. I've never noticed any language quite that severe

I suppose most DUers click alert and the admins do their jobs before I am subjected to it

Also, I have to wonder about this OP, given all the erroneous or fabricated allegations I've read from Clinton supporters since I've been here.

[pbca]

36. Sorry to hear that

I can't really apologize on behalf of anyone, because I only speak for myself and because apologizing on behalf of my gender, or Obama supporters would imply that most were like that and I don't think that's true.

I can say, on behalf of myself - I have a wife and two daughters I adore. I have as many female as male friends and a female boss who I'd follow off a cliff if she was sure it was necessary. I've worked on campaigns in my life on behalf of at least a dozen female candidates including Sebelius and Boxer.

I don't feel that Hillary Clinton would be a good president, but it has nothing to do with gender.

[Window]

49. I did not see that thread and would have alerted if I had.

I also did not know you were a woman. However, if you called me a maniac, you would not have liked what I would have called you either.

Presumptive Democratic Nominee Barack Obama is not to blame for anything his supporters say. He has consistently requested good behavior of his supporters. However, being grown, people tend to follow their own minds about such things.

[Mezzo]

58. Thank you for that.

The Obama camp, allbeit comprised of a LOT of former Deaniacs, openly court the term "Obamamaniacs". Since they do, I will. On the serious.

[Window]

109. Gotcha.

I was not a Deaniac, so I wasn't aware of the origins. I was, however, a Hillary supporter early on.

:hi:

[ZombieHorde]

50. I don't know about these examples...

called me acidic

This is the first time I have heard this insult, what about it makes you believe that it is sexist?

invited me to suck them off to completion

Men say things like this to each other all of the time. The wording makes me believe that the poster of that quote did not know that you are a woman. Of course, I have no real idea of the intent of the post.

and told me they were going to have me banned

This is not sexist in the slightest, it is just childish.

I don't see any sexism with these three examples. Can you explain your reasoning to me?

[quakerboy]

51. As to the following

1) If you are acidic, you are acidic. No need to wonder, and that has nothing to do with gender(acid being a chemical compound not imbued with the ability to have gender.)

2) I dont know about that. it was definitely very rude. And in my life experience it has mainly been used between males, either as rough joking or the prelude to a fight. I would say it is an "invintation" much more likely to be extended to a male, given the often homophobic nature of the culture that would spawn it for either joking or combative purposes.

3) was stupid of them, but has nothing to do with sexism.

For those bound to see insult, there is no stopping it. And for those who are hurting, there is great likelyhood to see insult where there is but disagreement. I hope that you heal and I hope that the rest of us can grow up. To say the least, you are not likely to get better treatment at the hands of the republics at their best than you get from these at their worst. Nor are those of us who are gloating likely to enjoy 4+? years of continued Republic rule if we allow our own catharsis to damage our futures.

[Forkboy]

53. You're a woman?

Who knew? :shrug:

[Swamp Rat]

57. edit: I am leaving this thread, as it serves no purpose.... SUPPORT OBAMA!!!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

60. Whom are you "undecided" between?

Obama and the guy who called wife a "c" word in public and joked that a teenaged Chelsea Clinton was so ugly because her father was Janet Reno?

[Iceburg]

63. The New Democratic party has embraced change -- change that has taken women back 30 years/nt

[anonymous171]

65. WTF?

[Orangepeel]

67. So really, what you've got against Obama is that he didn't call out Randi Rhodes?

(The first three on your list don't have anything to do with him and I don't know what the Ohio mailer has to do with sexism. It's no worse than Clinton's New Hampshire mailer saying Obama was anti-choice).

You might have a point with the last one, assuming Obama even knows who Randi Rhodes is. Was he asked about it? I wouldn't expect him to bring up the rantings of a fairly obscure Florida radio host otherwise.

[hfojvt]

77. not only that but the Hillary talking point seems to be

"Obama was silent" and "Dean was silent"

Whereas Hillary was more than silent, she actually brought up Wright and Ayers and defended the Republicans and M$M for bringing them up. What did Obama need to say when Rhodes was suspended within 24 or 48 hours? It took a few weeks to bring Don Imus down, and besides that he said it on the radio whereas Randi was at a private event. Imus said it about a team playing for the national championship. Randi said it about a politician in an arena where according to Bill Clinton, you expect things to get rough.

[redqueen]

100. Excellent points.

Especially about Hillary being more than silent. I don't see how anyone can still harp on the 'Obama said nothing' while she was personally shopping the Wright and Ayers BS.

[hfojvt]

120. Dean was probably silent too

when Hillary dismissed Obama as 'just a speech he made in 2002' while praising McCain's experience. That terrible Dean. Keeping silent is so much worse than anything Hillary did. In the eyes of some, I guess. I wonder if anything could be found on record that McCauliffe said when the media spent over a year trashing Gore. When did the DNC hit back?

[redqueen]

122. Excellent question...

*sigh*

[hfojvt]

83. so you have three a$$holes in this community

if your account is to be believed, and maybe a few cheerers. But why are you complaining about the people who were "chiding" your attacker? Did you use the wrong word?

I see in this thread you are quite willing to throw some insults around, so for all I know the comments you are complaining about were provoked and you gave as good as you got.

[Mutley]

98. How is anyone supposed to know you're a woman?

Your profile can't be viewed.

[Forkboy]

104. If someone said they could tell she was a woman from how she posts we'd be sexist for that too.

:crazy:

[Mutley]

107. She's have a TINY bit of a point if she had said that.

And she would have a point with the sucking off thing IF there were any way for us to know she was even a woman.

[ShortnFiery]

114. HRC has USED her GENDER and her "political royal standing" as a blunt force instrument.

I'm ashamed at how HRC has *abused* her status and tried to promote the FALLACY that she's "every woman."

HRC is no role model for my young daughter - HRC shames those women who don't have the STATUS to whine "sexism" AND who are truly being discriminated against.

HRC was treated like political royalty. She ABUSED the system to give herself every advantage ... and yes, I thought it was vile. :thumbsdown:

NO, there was NO overt sexism against "Our Lady Candidate of Perpetual Victimhood" ... she just PLAYED EVERYONE to include her loyal supporters. They deserve better. Former Clinton supporters deserve "a person" who genuinely cares about THEM, as human beings, before their personal ambitions.

That human being is Barack Obama. :patriot:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

116. Do people actually know you're a woman?

They certainly do now.

:shrug:

[Butch350]

126. How Can Someone Tell...

Your a woman by your screen name? All men are not SEXIST, for crying out loud! Just like all people are not Racists!

[SeattleGirl]

128. I'm still waiting for your proof on the Harry and Louise thing.

I provided you with proof of Obama's anti-war speech.

Least you can do is return the favor.

[dkf]

130. Aren't you hiding your gender? I see no profile.

re: your first comment, since when were women acidic? I would have called that gender neutral.

re: Republican playbook, Hillary used a whole lot more Republican strategies than Obama did, and since when was using the Republican playbook sexist? That is the weirdest statement I have heard today.

re: "Fucking whore"...that comment came from a woman.

In summary, I still don't get the "sexism" complaints. You don't make a very compelling argument.

[susankh4]

131. It will be very hard for that half of our party to win over

this half, if they keep it up.

I think it must be because they are all so young and inexperienced that they don't understand diplomacy???

I hope it's no refelction of their leader......:shrug:

[Hugabear]

132. It makes it even harder when people scream "sexism" when it's not there

I can't speak about the "sucking my dick to completion" (although in my entire adult life, I have never heard anyone tell another person to "suck my dick to completion"). But as far as the "acidic" comment, that is just absurd. It does not help one bit when people go around making up words that they now consider sexist. There was another thread where another person claimed the words "classy" and "classless" were sexist.

Do you really want everyone walking around on eggshells, knowing that any seemingly innocuous word they use might be deemed "sexist" by certain people?

[mcctatas]

137. By your name I would have guessed you were a dude....

and acidic, oh please!!! Just as bad as those acidic assholes on one of the hillary forums trying to scream sexism over the words "tit for tat"

[AtomicKitten]

141. Did they say please when they "invited (you) to suck them off to completion?"

We're sticklers on manners here at DU.

[Occam Bandage]

142. I didn't know you were a woman. How would we?