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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:30 PM
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Why Hillary Shouldn't Be Obama's VP
Why Hillary Shouldn't Be Obama's VP

Of Whiners and Poor Losers
By DAVE LINDORFF

It’s kind of bizarre reading about supposed “feminists” who are reportedly claiming they’ll vote for McCain rather than Obama, now that “their” candidate, Hillary Clinton, is out of the running for the presidential nomination.

First of all, John McCain is clearly the candidate of the anti-abortion crowd, but that’s not the half of it. He’s also the candidate who says Anthony Scalia, John Roberts and Sam Alito are his kind of judges. We’re talking here about guys (yeah, guys) who think a woman’s place is in the home, and who only recently ruled that if she’s discriminated against on the job, and doesn’t learn about it for a decade or more, a woman can’t do anything about it, because the original offense of underpaying her happened more than 180 days ago. McCain is also the guy who, after his wife suffered a serious car crash and became disabled, dumped her for a younger, richer woman. A feminist’s dream, this guy.

And how about Hillary Clinton? When she was supposedly getting her “White House experience”—you know, the “co-presidency” she was supposedly part of during the eight years her husband was president and she was First Lady—she and Bill oversaw the “end of welfare as we know it.” What that fine piece of legislation did was limit people to five years on the dole. That’s for life. It doesn’t matter what misfortune befalls you later on.

Even on abortion rights, Clinton has been a waffler. In 2000, running for Senate in New York, she said she would be a staunch defender of the right to choose. But by 2004, she was saying abortion was a “tragic” choice, and was supporting parental notification laws for minors seeking abortion—a position she continues to hold.

What the cries of “McCain, McCain!” by disappointed Clinton backers really represent is an example of sour grapes, as well as of a certain perhaps hidden element of racism. It is as if blacks, had Obama been the loser in this nomination battle, were to say, “That’s it, we’re voting for McCain!”

Obviously, African-American candidates have had to endure this problem for years. When their candidate, whether it was Jesse Jackson, or Shirley Chisolm, or Ted Kennedy, was defeated, they have had to look to their broader interests and decide whether to vote Republican, sit out the election, or just shrug and vote for the winning Democrat. Consistently, they have chosen the third option, disappointment after disappointment.

Blacks are supposed to stick with the Democrats, no matter what. Clinton backers, however, don’t feel handcuffed in this way. Some of them, apparently, feel free to abandon all their liberal principles and vote for a right-wing, anti-abortion, fundamentalist Christian-coddling warmonger if they don’t get the candidate they want from the Democrats.

If these grousers and poor losers in the Clinton camp thought honestly about it for even a moment, they’d realize that had Clinton won the most delegates, and if African-American and liberal, educated white backers of Obama, in response, were to adopt their position and bolt to McCain, Clinton would be a historical asterisk, with no chance of being elected.

As for Clinton’s fallback position of trying to make herself the vice-presidential candidate on a “dream” Obama-Clinton ticket, Obama would have to be crazy to go for it. Clinton brings nothing but disaster to the Obama campaign. He doesn’t need her to win New York, New Jersey or California, all of which he will win by a landslide without her in November. He doesn’t need her for Illinois (her home state, whatever efforts she made to try to pretend she was a rural Pennsylvanian during that state’s primary). She certainly doesn’t help him in the south, with the possible exception of Florida. She doesn’t bring any “balance” to the ticket, given that both senators have almost identical voting records on domestic issues. And as for the swing states—Virginia, Wisconsin, Colorado, New Mexico, Missouri, Ohio, Indiana, etc.—she may do more damage than good, given the number of independents and Republicans who have been drawn to Obama, but who have negative feelings about the Clintons. Moreover, with the right vice-presidential candidate—and it’s not Clinton—Obama may even have a shot at not just Virginia, but also North Carolina and even Mississippi—states where the percentage of black voters is high enough that, with an energized black voter turnout, the liberal Democratic vote could be enough to turn the trick.

The Hillary Clinton campaign has all along been about entitlement. She began her race for the White House acting as though it was a coronation—something she deserved after enduring eight years in the White House as second fiddle to husband Bill. Now, having been defeated, she’s acting like she deserves second fiddle. But the truth is, Clinton, by her shabby appeals to racist voters, by her resort to red-baiting of her opponent, and finally by her refusal to denounce and apologize for her shameless and calculating backing for the invasion of Iraq, has rendered her unfit for a spot on the Democratic ticket.

Obama can do much better than that. Yes he can.

http://counterpunch.org/lindorff06042008.html
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:35 PM
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1. So Obama has the AA vote and the College Crowd
Well hell, what more do you need. And just so ya know, 99% of Hillary supporters do not want her on Obama's ticket as VP and that is pretty much what we have been telling her.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:41 PM
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3. According to McAuliffe, you guys have been telling her the opposite...
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:45 PM
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6. Not the ones I know
I personally do not want her on the ticket. In private forums where I am a member, no one wants her on the ticket. Her supporters realize that about 50% of Dems do want this but by and large, we do not for various reasons.
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:51 PM
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8. sure
staying off the ballot allows her surrogates to try and destroy Obama and make McSame president...this way she can say, see? if i was the nominee i would have won...and then run against a 75 yr old fool in 08...

it's a risk Obama will have to take...we beat her once, we'll beat her again...
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 02:08 PM
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13. Why wouldn't a Hillary supporter like yourself not want her on the ticket? Planning for 2012?
:rofl:
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 02:13 PM
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15. bargaining chips
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:42 PM
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4. best news
I have heard all day! Maybe she can get on McCain's ticket.
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redstorm20 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:40 PM
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2. Real Reason
behind most of these "sour grapes" posting on this site seems to be a generational thing... Seems like Baby Boomers feel as though "how dare these young people tell us who are candidate is"....Baby Boomers have no shortage of love for themselves and disdain for anyone with a dissenting point of view
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:47 PM
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7. We do love ourselves and we are the largest voting bloc
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:51 PM
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9. not large enough
apparently...
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redstorm20 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:53 PM
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10. And?
You are the largest voting bloc BUT you still lost....Why your disdain for democracy?.... She lost, He won..... So you are going to take your ball and go home?

Should every other democrat have a gun to their head
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 02:00 PM
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11. Guns to our heads? For what?
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redstorm20 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 02:05 PM
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12. Voting
all i am seeing are hillary supporters saying they are going to vote for mccain.... so if the democratic party holds a primary and decide on obama, then the hillary clinton bloc are going to vote for mccain? what sense does this make?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 02:15 PM
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16. "we do love ourselves", wow, going for candor finally.
good change!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 01:45 PM
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5. Well what was all the BS. about Hillary supporting the nominee? anyone know?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 02:09 PM
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14. Everyone knows this but her supporters.
I'm so glad Carter has now chimed in against the (horrible, horrible) idea.

Let's hope he picks one soon so we can stop seeing the spectacularly horrible idea floated.
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