Oh man, I don't like all this hatred. Really, I don't. Damn it. I don't want to do this anymore.

[Skip Intro]

I wish I could just do some x with all of you.

Shit.

I'm pouring my heart out here.

I don't want to argue any more.

Obama has won the nomination.

Congrats to him and his supporters.

Please stop attacking Hillary.

Please, enough.

Please stop the attacks.

Please stop telling people they aren't real Democrats.

Can't you see how this prevents what you say you desire?

Can't you see how no one who isn't already on the Hope Express will warm to the idea with the constant, and extreme, belittlement of Hillary and her supporters?

Can't you see how the hate only widens the divide?

I don't want to do this anymore.

My God, what have we become?

[TTUBatfan2008]

1. I agree...

although I am surprised you just now noticed this.

[writes3000]

2. I agree. The arguing will stop. Here's the issue...

To stop fighting you have to trust that the other side will also lay down their arms.

I hope tomorrow is the beginning of that process.

It will come.

[izzie]

42. Blackmail jumped into my mind and using 10 foot poles.

There is a thing about once you do not make it, leave nice. I will wait and see but I have a funny feeling about this. Obama sure has a lot of class, I will say that. And since when does 20 years of out side govt. work mean one does not think right and McCain's 23 years in Congress gives him good reason? I sure know lots of people with good reasoning skill who have never been near a govt. office.

[babylonsister]

3. Mr. Sandman, take me away! And I'm fine. nt

[ingac70]

4. Dillweeds who say they are voting for McCain...

aren't real Democrats.

[Skip Intro]

6. let's just let it all go for now, ok?

c'mon, just drop it for now

[ingac70]

7. I will not drop...

bitching about those who campaign for McCain. They are the lowest of low scum.

[Skip Intro]

13. hold on tight to your hatred then

don't take a breath, don't pause, just keep pointing a finger

goddammit

you don't get what I'm trying to say here at all

[TTUBatfan2008]

11. Skip, I agree...

"c'mon, just drop it for now"

The bickering on both sides has been pretty pointless since Pennsylvania in my opinion, and even moreso since North Carolina/Indiana. That was the night she officially lost in my opinion.

[Hoof Hearted]

36. And still, you don't get it. It's NOT about your "official" opinion. It's about DEMOCRACY.

Other people didn't agree with you and almost 18 MILLION of them made that point known with their vote. Is THIS how you expect to get great swaths of those 18 million voters on board? By telling them they SHOULD have given up long ago or implying that Hillary had no business running past PA?

Not an endearing strategery, let me tell you.

[complain jane]

74. dupe self-delete nt

[complain jane]

75. Agreed 100000%

Demeaning other people and berating them for disagreeing with who their candidate of choice is won't win anyone over. I'm so tired of seeing Hillary supporters attacked, mocked and belittled here by people who demand their vote and insult them.

Disclaimer: I did not vote for Hillary in the primary.

I seriously wonder if some of these people are Repukes acting on Limbaugh's Operation Chaos to get people to vote for McCain out of disgust or not vote at all.

[TTUBatfan2008]

116. Why don't you actually read what I wrote?

He or she misunderstood what I was saying. I had NO problem with her continuing. I was stating my own opinion of when I thought she could not win. There was absolutely nothing wrong with her continuing all the way through the election and I am fine with her continuing. In fact I think it was a good thing. But I am also allowed to offer my own opinion of when I personally felt Obama had it clinched. There's nothing wrong with that, and the two of you jumping on me for that and making a HUGE assumption about me in the process is pretty damn shameful in my opinion. I never once took any cheap shot at her or her supporters in my initial post yet the other poster jumped all over me for it and then you concurred and lambasted me for something I didn't even do.

My point is, why the hell were Obama supporters continuing to bicker with Clinton supporters and trash Hillary when they were supposedly confident that it was over after NC/Indiana? That is what I am trying to say. The Hillary bashing should have stopped right then and there, and I support her decision to continue all the way through the entire primary process.

[complain jane]

121. And I'd say the same to you- I didn't reply to your post.

I apologize if my post was confusing in the way I wrote it. It wasn't aimed at you.

[TTUBatfan2008]

126. Oh, OK. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

:)

[salguine]

106. And Clinton agreed beforehand—in writing, along with everyone else—

that Michigan and Florida's delegates should not be seated. And then, suddenly, when she needed them, she wants to change the rules. How can you defend that? She opines, with a straight face, that she should be awarded a victory in a state where she was the only name on the ballot. Defend that, please? Can you defend that?

[TTUBatfan2008]

114. That is not what I meant...

I'm not sure whether you intentionally or unintentionally misunderstood what I said, but that is not what I intended at all. I had absolutely ZERO problem with the race going through the final elections in Montana and South Dakota. I had a big problem with all the fighting, bickering, and nitpicking from supporters of both sides. That is what I was trying to say, so I apologize if I offended you but I was not trying to say that she or her supporters should give up. I was simply stating my own observation of when I thought it was over. She had every right to continue and I was absolutely fine with it.

My point is, why the hell were Obama supporters continuing to bicker with Clinton supporters and trash Hillary when they were supposedly confident that it was over after NC/Indiana? That is what I am trying to say. The Hillary bashing should have stopped right then and there, and I support her decision to continue all the way through the entire primary process.

[hfojvt]

25. sure they are. To say is not to do.

Say, say, say, what you want, but the Rubicon is not crossed until the lever is pulled.

[still_one]

5. I hear you, but unfortunately until the two campaigns sit down to determine how to unite us

this will continue

[seaglass]

123. Seriously, you need to be led? You can't do it on your own? n/t

[JI7]

i'm sorry you are feeling this way

i know how it feels. i'm going to try to hold back on anything negative about Hillary and consider how others might feel before saying some things.

[FlyingSquirrel]

8. Love ya Skip

Only love can conquer hate

Please ask Seabiscuit to take me off ignore!

:pals:

[TahitiNut]

9. As long as Hillary attacks Obama instead of McCain, she's siding with the GOP.

As such, she'll earn and deserve the contumely of progressives and Democrats. If some are so blinded by their cult-like zeal for her, or for some animosity for Obama, that they cannot comprehend this basic political fact, that's too bad.

[babylonsister]

15. Swooosh!

My buddy! Thanks!

[juno jones]

31. You have a way with words.... n/t

[TahitiNut]

33. (blush) Thanks. It's earned me a place on some Ignore Lists.

I personally regard those particular lists as Honor Rolls, though. :shrug:

[JVS]

52. You're completely right.

[maxpower]

10. Hate belongs to the Ruthugs

We need to focus on peace and love.

[Lorien]

12. I agree. I never liked either one, but enough is enough

all this ugliness is turning me off to politics completely.

[RiverStone]

14. Can't you see how she prevents what you say you desire?

Hillary could have built bridges tonight, instead she built more divisiveness.

What a wasted opportunity.

Unity begins the second Hillary concedes, but what in the world is she waiting for --- what?

You ask what have we become, we have become angry at a candidate who after 16 long months, refuses to let go and let the healing begin. She could not give it to Obama tonight; the stage was set and she simply would not give it to him.

Healing begins when we can focus on ONE nominee beating ONE war mongering puke, McBush.

No worries, we will become the party of your dreams Skip, but not until Hillary gets that she alone is standing in the way. We have every right to be angry. And I can't wait when there is no need to be angry at our own anymore.

[Skip Intro]

16. Why can't you just let go of it?

[RiverStone]

24. World peace is at stake...

Kinda hard to let go of that.

Obama = world peace --- McBush = world war

And everyday Hillary stays in, she marginalizes Obama's focus on the GE.

[Skip Intro]

26. How can she marinalize his focus when he's already won?

Hillary is not evil. Obmaa is not the messiah.

Just let it go, man.

[RiverStone]

32. Evil? No. Narcissistic? Absolutely

Why can't she see what you can? He won.

16 fucking months of this; gawd yea, I'm ready to let go.

But not until we have ONE nominee. It's time for ONE.

The moment she concedes = the moment I let go of any reason to diss Hillary.

[Auntie Bush]

119. Pssssst!

She already let go! When a man and woman stand at the alter...you can be sure they will be man and wife even before he places a ring on her finger and a kiss on the lips. It's called faith!

[gmudem]

45. Once Clinton will let it go, I will be glad to do so as well

But as long as she continues to campaign for no apparent reason, she will be criticized. It's that simple.

[Hoof Hearted]

41. Oh SHIT.

Obama = World peace. That's the funniest godamned thing I've heard for MONTHS.

[merh]

68. You need to get on board or shut the hell up.

If you can't stop posting against Obama then I suggest you just leave before you are shown the door.

[Mudoria]

93. They really believe it too lol

I'm sure half of them think he'll walk on water at the convention.

[gaspee]

50. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Obama = world peace --- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

He can never, in a million years, live up to that kind of expectation.

[NOLALady]

61. I think he will try a lot harder for world peace

than someone who voted for the IWR.

[11 Bravo]

57. Obama = world peace?

Is he also running for Miss Teenage America? Yours may be the single most unintentionally hilarious post I've read in months. Thanks for the laugh.

[lumberjack_jeff]

100. World peace and ponies. n/t

[leftynyc]

63. Obama = world peace???

Oy - are you in for a disappointment.

[Runcible Spoon]

129. No kidding. I think Clinton is absolutely horrible and her campaign is atrocious but...

just because I'm supporting Obama does not mean we're in for any large scale changes in foreign policy. There are very few if not zero establishment Dems. who would be any further to the left than Bill Clinton on foreign policy, and certainly none that could get realistically elected. Sad, but true.

[JTFrog]

78. Not a concept that her supporters will grasp onto easily.

Seriously.

Under their current cognitive dissonance it is impossible to associate the word "peace" with Obama. In HillaryWorld if you vote for IWR and Kyl-Lieberman and are against banning cluster bombs and refuse to sign the AFC Anti-torture pledge, then you are the Goddess of Peace.

World keeps on spinning even in those little plastic bubbles I suppose.

[TheDoorbellRang]

71. Sadly, we can let go when Hillary finally does

I can only imagine how difficult this may be for her, but she really needs to concede and become a team player instead of a wannabe second quarterback messing with all the plays on the field.

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. I'd be angry sour & bitter too if I realized that my guy was now actually

going to be expected to do all the stuff he's been promising everybody, no excuses nobody else or new to blame anymore.

[goletian]

18. we have become those who accept the better candidate and those who do not.

those who accept reality and those who do not.

[slinkerwink]

19. I'm feeling that same pain as well. I wish you understood why we were upset

tonight in listening to Senator Clinton's speech. I wanted to root for her. I wanted to hear her attack John McCain. I wanted to hear her talk about uniting the Democratic Party behind the nominee to fight McCain. I didn't hear any of those things.

[ShortnFiery]

20. Then kindly convey to HRC that it's time to graciously concede.

Until then, I BLAME HRC for dividing our beloved party. :shrug:

[ClassWarrior]

21. The only ones who aren't real Dems are the ones who threaten to vote McBush.

NGU.

[SwampG8r]

22. i dont hate you skip

you will feel fine in a couple of days
congrats to you for sticking out a hard won contest you did your candidate proud
i look forward to your help on the way to Nov

[hfojvt]

23. Some X?

Is that supposed to create peace, love and understanding?

We already had exes on all our threads and that didn't seem to work, or you wouldn't be making this post.

Some of what you ask depends on Hillary. There would have been less disparagement of her if she had not given both weapons and causes to those who would belittle her. If she lies and says "Bill didn't wrap up the nomination until June", then she has just given people a clear way to call her a liar as well as upset people who don't like being lied to (which is almost everybody). If she keeps trying to stir up her supporters with Florida and Michigan controversies, if she keeps making the dishonest claim that she has more votes - then again she provides ammunition and cause.

The ball is in her court. She can serve the party and support the nominee, or she can serve her own ambitions and get served by those who prefer to help the party. The blogosphere is always loaded for bear and looking for somebody to "go ahead, punk, make my day".

[hayu_lol]

28. Obama has won exactly this...

he has won about half of the Democratic Party.

Geez, that means that Hillary has won the other half.

So much hate from one side of the party toward the other half.

Just maybe, the Hillary haters have gotten their wish.

[hfojvt]

37. written like somebody who wants to divide the party

Way back when this began, it was sorta agreed that whoever got 50% + 1 delegate would be the nominee. Now the losing side keeps acting like it's gonna take its 48% and go home and then blames the winning side for getting mad about their sore-loserism? Which came first, the hatred of the winners or the divisiveness of the losers?

If I had gotten my wish, she'd have been rejected by about 90% of primary voters instead of just 51% and what the fuck is wrong with my home state? :argh:

[TahitiNut]

40. You seem to have some misunderstanding of the Primary process.

Partisans AGREE to employ it to nominate THE candidate for the ENTIRE Party. It's fundamental to partisan politics. That's the ethical contract one accepts by calling one's self a Democrat or Republican or whatever, and registering as such where permitted.

As a life-long independent liberal, even *I* know that. Quite frankly, it's at times like this that I SNEER at some people who so-proudly proclaim themselves 'Democrats' ... when it's so obvious they haven't the most fundamental comprehension what it means.

Let's make something else clear. There is no Consolation Prize. Politicians deal in words to gain influence. If they violate their partisan agreements, they LOSE that influence. It's NOT about her - and she loses sight of that. It's about the people of the country. If she cannot wield her influence in SERVICE to her party and the people, she doesn't deserve it.

[newmajority]

34. What's So Funny 'Bout Peace Love and Understanding?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BxEAudsb9c

[hfojvt]

46. well love is kinda funny

at least if you like wipeouts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRifgh3jO2c

[Warren DeMontague]

27. Aint no time to hate. Barely time to wait.

November will be here soon enough. The sensible thing to do is unify behind the nominee. He wasn't my first choice, either- my first choice never ran.

I think the frustration you're sensing is due to the fact that Hillary still seems to refuse to accept the outcome of the primary process- if she raises a stink until the convention, if she keeps floating lies about the "popular vote", if she tries to undermine the legitimacy of our nominee - and whether you like him or not, as you know, he's gonna be our nominee - then she is actively working against the interests of the Democratic Party.

Maybe she's not taking this to "DEN-VER", maybe she was holding off conceding for a night or two. Maybe.

The "Unify the Democratic Party" ball is in Hillary's court, and tonight it really seemed like her intention is to try to take this into overtime.

[Bread and Circus]

29. You are a hatred factory. What the hell are you whining about?

[mtnsnake]

64. That's bullshit and you know it. n/t

[Asgaya Dihi]

30. Your last question was an important one.

My God, what have we become?

As so many of us have said through the primary season THIS is why we objected to the tactics of the neocons in particular and the right wing in general for all of this time. It's damaging. It happens in politics, kids hanging out with the wrong crowd, decent kids sent to prison, people sent off to war, and pretty much anywhere else people choose to or are forced to live in an ugly manner. You can't act like them, use their tactics and think like them, without on some level BECOMMING them. The way we choose to behave defines what we are, when we compromise principle because the ends justify the means we eventually lose the end to the means. We become what we fought in the first place.

THIS is why it wasn't just vetting. THIS is why "the repubs will do it too" wasn't a good excuse. And THIS is why dems don't treat each other like this. When we decided to "vet" each other with the tactics of the other side we had also already decided what we'd become, and we should have known it. Enough people tried to tell us so.

If that's not who we want to be then we shouldn't have acted like it. The ends never justify the means, but the means do often define the end.

[livingmadness]

35. Good on you Skip.

For your honesty. The problem with noting the angry posts, is the invisible ones you don't see. That is, the supporters of both stripes who aren't contributing to the anxst. I'll admit, I was driving home from work and fuming, just fuming, at what from my perspective was a fairly graceless speech compared to Obamas. I was planning an angry post! By the time I pulled in the drive, my anger had dissipated and I just felt incredibly proud and overwhelmed with emotion. I'm glad I wasn't by a computer during my fuming. I get that people are mad and why, but it really is time to move on. And yes, I realize other Obama supporters could argue its over when she steps out; but you know what? I'm sick of waiting for Hillary to call the shots. On to the GE. Congrats to all of the classy Hillary supporters who have been as tenacious in their support of their candidate as she has. I wish you well in the healing phase post-primaries.

Now bring on McCain.

[yewberry]

38. I think most of us don't.

Really, I think most folks here aren't welcoming or contributing to the adversarial crap that's running the board right now.

If I were a Clinton supporter, I know without a doubt that I'd be completely fed up with the Obama supporters on the board talking shit about Clinton and her supporters and telling them to "get on the bus" or whatever. I wouldn't want grudging commiseration, either.

As a non-bomb-throwing Obama supporter, I'm pretty fed up with the Clinton supporters talking shit about Obama and his supporters and telling us to "be nice or else" or whatever. I don't want grudging congratulations, either.


I AM nice. Most of us are, Clinton and Obama supporters alike, and I think that (obvious flaming assholes excluded) most of us want the same thing.

Don't feel badly. Even more, don't be fooled by the silly, bombastic nature of this board right now. Aside from the few flaming assholes, we're still on the same team.

Give it a little time. Sure, there will still be some obvious flaming assholes, but I think we'll get there.

And then we'll all point and laugh at the obvious flaming assholes together.

[RandomKoolzip]

39. Please stop taking this shit so personally.

When someone attacks Hillary, they're not attacking YOU. The mistake of many HRC supporters (and many O supporters, too, to be fair), is that that they've tied their identities to these celebrities, these personalities who they then both venerate and simultaneously accept as proxy-selves. THAT shit is what has to stop. These people - from Obama to Clinton to McCain on down - are career politicians. If someone attacks Hillary, they're taking a potshot at a remote figure, someone who even her most ardent supporters ought to regard not with awe or familial warmth, but instead a sober and reasonable admiration. She's not your sister or your mother. She's an abstraction.

If the political game is too emotional for you, then you ought to drop out of it and take up knitting or basketball or something. This shit isn't for children; it's for cynical motherfuckers who can act (in the theatrical sense), shmooze, and wheel and deal. It's time we all accept this. Real American politics is not for idealists nor for those prone to melodrama. Your "heart" shouldn't enter into it.

[Skip Intro]

44. Look man

I've been called a racist here. I've been called a warmonger. And a warmonger enabler. I've been told there is now no room for me in the party, to get the fuck out, I'm no longer needed. I've seen others attacked for the simplest of compliments to Hillary Clinton. Yeah.

Yeah, it's personal. Yeah, I've fought back. I don't see Hillary as the demon that some here do. I have defended her, and surely will again.

My point here was, in this thread, that I'm tired of doing this. I'm tired of defending Hillary Clinton against the most twisted of attacks. I'm tired of seeing the hate from both sides. My point with this thread was to just let all of that go. Just stop. I don't want to do it anymore and I don't think many here do.

Why can't that just be, here, in this thread? Why can't we just let go of all of the anger, the bullshit, the attacks? Just here in this thread, if that's all some can muster. I'm tired of all the hatred. I don't want to do this anymore.

[Mimosa]

55. Skip Intro, it's up to Hillary to lead by graciously conceding...

which she isn't doing.

It really would be a mistake for Obama to make her VP.

[RandomKoolzip]

79. I've been called a cultist. I've been told that I have a small dick because I prefer Obama.

I've been called a misogynist. I've been told that I've participated in a "gang rape" because I dared to criticize HRC. The Irony (capital "I") here is that I wrote a few editorials for the newspaper I edit condemning the sexism directed at HRC throughout her campaign. So fucking what? Does anyone on DU know that? No. Do I give a fuck what others on DU think of me? No. Neither should you. It's politics. This is no kumbayah-singing Hands-Across-America bullshit. You need lead-lined skin to get involved.

If I let the stupid shit others say about me in the past disrupt my emotions, I'd be pretty fucking sad - in more than one way. If someone criticizes Obama - oh well. Fuck 'em. Did they criticize me or my family? No? Then why should I feel the need to "defend" him against these imaginary onslaughts? I've got better things to do. DU IS NOT THE WORLD. Why are so many people so willing to become so emotionally invested in this nonsense? I don't get it.

[Runcible Spoon]

"DU IS NOT THE WORLD"

amen Brother. At least I hope it's not, since posters have told me I "have sand in my cunt" and would like to feed babies to cougars. And that's just last night lol.

[NashVegas]

84. White Male Democratic Leaders Had No Idea What They Set Up

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt when I say that.

I really don't think you or other white men truly understand what is at play, here. I really don't think you understand the enormity of what this primary meant to both women and African Americans; because, if you did understand it and still said, "ah, well, tough shit. 'Hillary Clinton eats BABIES!'" well, then, you're all just assholes.

With a couple of exceptions, African-American Obama supporters on DU have been the most restrained people in their criticisms of Clinton and her voters. Think about that for a moment.

If the political game is too emotional for you, then you ought to drop out of it and take up knitting or basketball or something. This shit isn't for children; it's for cynical motherfuckers who can act (in the theatrical sense), shmooze, and wheel and deal. It's time we all accept this. Real American politics is not for idealists nor for those prone to melodrama. Your "heart" shouldn't enter into it.

The internet has blurred the line between spectator and participant in elections.

No one tribe - including seasoned veterans - gets to dictate the rules of the game on the internet.

Most people who get involved in political discussions on the internet do not do so knowingly, in order to play a game. Will you personally take responsibility for explaining your rules (or coming to mutually accepted ones) to every person on the other side of every keyboard? If not, you must accept responsibility for poking out a whole lot of eyes.

DU has basically been ruined for me, and for many other people - not all of whom are or were Hillary Clinton's supporters - who financially support DU and yet could not have even one rational political discussion without being interrupted and harassed by a roomful of ids.

[Crunchy Frog]

43. I agree. I'm sick of it all. I just want us to unite behind our candidate and kick McCain's ass.

[quakerboy]

47. When I joined here, this is how it was

It is all the DU I have known. I am really looking forward to whupping McCain with yall, instead of going back and forth about details that matter little outside of here.

[Hope And Change]

48. I agree with Skip.Time for unity instead of division.No need to continue bashing our candidates.

We are all Democrats!

:hug:

[Cronus Protagonist]

49. A Shakesperean quotation would have been better drama

Sorry, it's just my opinion. How about the following example?

William Shakespeare - "All the world's a stage" (from As You Like It)


All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

[RichardRay]

51. I'll go with that...

although it's been a long time since I've put anything more interesting than the occasional does of Maalox in my body :-).

Compassion is the working basis for my belief system. Equanimity is the base state. I don't achieve either of those goals all the time, or even very often (sorry, Tarc, you just pissed me off :-), but given the opportunity I can try to rise to the occassion.

I will do so now. I will keep in mind this post when reading any of your other subsequent posts. I will post responses to you after thinking about what you've written here. You can help me with that by doing the same keep your current perspective on how you want things to be in mind as you go through the rest of the political season.

I don't agree with some previous posts that suggest I need to isolate myself from the personal impact of political behavior. I do believe I can maintain a second perspective, tough, and operate out of it when appropriate. One takes stuff personally, one brushes it off and moves on.

I'll try to work from the second place more often.

[rodeodance]

53. Nicely said Skip Intro

[billyoc]

54. I don't want you to do it anymore either.

[scheming daemons]

56. Stop telling us how much a bad person Obama is, Skip.....

You have done it repeatedly.... continuously.... constantly.



Don't come in here and tell us to stop the attacks. We're not attacking the Democratic nominee.... you are.

Constantly and consistently.



Disingenuous. Look it up. Your picture is next to the definition.

[JohnnyLib2]

58. K & R.

[baldguy]

59. I'll stop attacking Hillary when she concedes.

When she acknowledges the months-old reality of her loss & begins to repair the damage she's done to the Party.

Until that time...

[Lerkfish]

60. you mean hatred against Michele Obama? then I agree with you, it IS wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6265554&mesg_id=6265712

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6265554&mesg_id=6265559


can't you see how the hate only widens the divide?

[bdamomma]

62. why don't we all put this country's wellbeing first before our own please.

do not flame.

[mtnsnake]

65. You're one of the classiest posters around. Obamawhiners could learn a lesson or 2 from ya

about CLASS

:thumbsup:

[JimGinPA]

67. LOL

:spray:

:rofl:

CLASS!!!??!!!

:spray:

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

118. LOL

:crazy:

[AngryOldDem]

66. I think Skinner needs to reconsider the June 11 closing date for this forum.

Put it out of its misery, already!

[mtnsnake]

70. lmao. As if closing this forum would ever stop the hatred. It would just move to another section

[Lerkfish]

72. we all see what we want to see.

[myrna minx]

69. I'm sorry people are still attacking.

I know you must be hurting and the folks pouring gasoline on your wounds are causing even more damage. I'm sorry. :hug: I want it to stop too. :grouphug:

[Zavulon]

73. As often as I've attacked Hillary,

I have NEVER told any Hillary supporter that he or she is not a real Democrat.

That said, I will attack her as I see fit. She is a loathsome piece of garbage. She doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself, so she shouldn't expect any compassion from those who see through her.

Rather than remind you of her IWR vote, all of her lies, her RFK comment and her decision to hide behind Ted's brain cancer in her spin, I'll just give you a link.

THIS is how the most selfish bitch in the country reacted to Obama's historic night when she could have been classy about it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/03/AR2008060303568_pf.html

She disgusts me, and I'll attack her any time I want. With all due respect, if people giving her what she's really due is such a problem for you, put us on ignore as you see us doing it - starting with me.

[mtnsnake]

76. "THIS is how the most selfish bitch in the country reacted"

another class act from the supporters of Hope and Change...

[Zavulon]

77. Oh, sorry,

I was too busy ducking Bosnian sniper fire to be civil to such a warm and classy human being. :rofl:

By the way, if you ever meet Hillary, thank her for her IWR vote and for the courage not to admit it was a mistake. :sarcasm:

[workinclasszero]

80. Oh did Hillary concede? Maybe I missed it?

If Hillary is going to continue her delusional farce of a campaign now against the democratic candidate, she is working for McCain and the republicans!

The attacks continue until she concedes to the winner, Sen. Obama and gets behind him 1000 percent!

[NJmaverick]

81. You are talking to the wrong people, you need to talk to Hillary

when she stops the war, it will end. She did say to go to her website and tell her what you think she should do.

[crankychatter]

82. I'm for Obama and I may be critical of her speech last night and think it's graceless and wrong

I'm sorry... she has a responsibility too.

If it's really foul up in here for ya... use ignore for a while, eh?

There are divisions in the party that preceed and WILL go beyond this primary contest... Clinton and Obama are lightning rods for problems that are OURS.

I have tons of people in my real world that supported Clinton and we never had discussions like those that occur here in DU. We get along fine... much love and respect.

I don't think this is typical of Obama's folks any more than I think much of the crap I've read from Clinton supporters in here, is typical.

I have disagreements with my family. Sometimes they really piss me off. I just don't call them for a while and avoid certain topics when I do call.

It's like my own personal ignore feature.

It's unfortunate that Senator Clinton is doing what she's doing. It's pissing some people off. I guess when she cleans up her act, they will.

That's just my guess.

[LaurenG]

83. Thank you for the congrats and I'm with you. I don't want to do

this anymore. I'm on your side and I've got you're back - no matter who we preferred as the nominee. :hug:

[Sundoggy]

85. Nice

Hey, some of us were willing a long time ago. You people would NOT come down off your high horse.

So now you want a get out of jail free card for all the outrageous behavior? Is I'M SORRY just too hard?

Because that's what I want to hear from the history-making-in-a-bad-way Hillary supporters. I want to hear WE'RE SORRY.

THEN we'll talk.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

86. The Clintons did it the old-fashioned way. They earned every bit of derision they're getting.

They are now going to great lengths to prove what mediocrities they have always been.

“He reminds one of the man who murdered both his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan.” - Abraham Lincoln

[Seabiscuit]

87. Obamanoids (the worst offenders) have always been sore losers and sore winners.

The only ways to avoid the ugliness are (1) avoid this place like the plague, or (2) put all the offenders on Ignore.

[here_is_to_hope]

103. I suggest then that you do both...n/t

[ballsalicious]

88. Send your note to hillary, let her know how hard it is for you, and the frustration that...

...you are seeing from your fellow democrats, because of the length of the primary and the fact that she refuses to concede.

[tishaLA]

89. I have to agree. We ask the candidates to come togetheR

and yet we refuse to do it ourselves. In fact, we relish the opportunity to call Sen Clinton a bitch and to say the Obamas act as if they are entitled. It's really disappointing.

But it will also pass.

[Dinger]

90. Luv Ya Skip! K & R (nt)

[Mz Pip]

91. I've never hated Hillary

and have repeatedly said I would vote for her if she were the nominee. There has been entirely too much vitriol thrown about.

Maybe when Hillary finally concedes and speaks stongly of her support for Obama the healing can begin.

[SeaLyons]

92. Thank you.....

It's going to take time for the Hillary bashing to stop. It will take time for those that have done it incessantly over the last few months to begin to let it go.

:hug:

[faithfulcitizen]

94. THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, Your candidate is hurting our nominee and our country right now.

I'm really surprised more Clinton supporters aren't angry with her right now. She has demonstrated so clearly that this campaign is not about YOU, or women, or our democracy - IT IS ABOUT HILLARY. She's taking her ball and going home. Nice...

[dionysus]

95. in a way you guys are reaping what you have sewn. it will pass

[Arugula Latte]

96. I'm furious with her. She couldn't let Obama have his hard-earned moment of victory.

What she has done is unforgivable to me. If she would just concede, I could start to let it go. But she just won't fucking go away!

[Catherina]

98. Obama's a big boy. NOTHING spoiled his night last night

He, Michelle and his staff probably partied like rock stars.

There's not much Hillary can do at this point. I'm for just ignoring her from this point on.

So she takes it to the convention, big deal. Lots of good that did Kucinich in 04.

[Arugula Latte]

110. But if she takes it to the convention, she's distracting from the task of

unifying around the nominee to kick John McCain's pasty old ass to the curb.

[Catherina]

111. Watch this and feel better ;)

[Catherina]

97. Me neither but Operation Chaos operators need to go

I'm fine with sincere HRC supporters who were just passionate but the trolls need to go. You guys know who they are too and it would go a long way if you helped us when they start their nonesense. Some of you started weeks ago and it helped me a lot because I used to think most HRC supporters had lost their damn minds before I paid close enough attention to realize there were supporters and then there were "supporters".

I extend my hand in fellowship and solidarity to all democratic HRC supporters and hope the next 8 years will be very good to you all.

One war is over, now on to ending the real one together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8jw-ifqwkM

:cry:

:hug:

[lumberjack_jeff]

99. Hate doesn't end simply due to victory.

I saw this coming the day Edwards withdrew.

[JackORoses]

101. save some of that X for Li'l Hilly

She gonna need it when she realizes that it's over.

Who knows, maybe her and Bill could work out some of their issues in a marathon Roll.

[Kajsa]

102. I agree, Skip!

I hope this stops, too,
for the sake of all Democrats.

:pals:

[Catherina]

104. Also. Here have one of these. I specifically made it just for you a few minutes ago

It will make you feel a LOT better.



I plan to hand others out but at least you know, the first one was brewed in your honor.

[salguine]

105. You say Obama's won the nomination. You admit that.

Yet Clinton's still trying to wrench it away from him, and/or blackmail herself into the VP slot. I don't know which is worse. And you wonder why she's inspiring hatred in people?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

107. I don't like it either. Hopefully it will pass.

But that will depend on those adults who are not acting like adults. It is their call.

Most of us, I imagine, are ready to move on to November.

A few of us feel the need to act like 8 year olds. And that is most unfortunate.

[americanstranger]

108. I'll let it go. We've got bigger fish to fry here.

I have my opinions of how the primaries ended, and mostly I feel that Obama was cheated out of a once-in-a-lifetime moment by the way Clinton comported herself last night.

That's the long and short of it, and having said that I move on.

We should all do what O did and pivot to the general election at this point. Clinton has become largely irrelevant and will become moreso until she concedes victory to Senator Obama.

I will not start any inflammatory threads, and will try to keep the discourse on a civil level from here on out. I may not completely succeed in doing so, because I'm human and am susceptible to the same things that all of you are.

But, yeah. Let's move on. Beating McCain is the most important objective of this year or any year, and all of us should sign on behind the nominee and get to it.

- as

[vaberella]

109. What you have to do is ignore it..

What both sides seem to forget is not only that this isn't about the other candidates but ultimately about ourselves. When I say that, stop being self righteous and indignant it's unbecoming.

You, this goes to both Obama and Clinton people, we want a future that is better for our children and really just better for ourselves. The present and ultimately the future is what we're looking towards. Both of you have to dump your hangups.

I noticed, and this is to the OP, that when people wouldn't give up their hatred you lashed back. Move on. Ignore the ones who won't giver it up, because in the end they will. It was a long hard fight and my only interest is not having McCain as the next President.

Majority of you are too worried about supporters/surrogates or about your candidate. This is more than them and more than each of your respective camps and both need to realize that.

Both sides, and this goes to the fans who perpetuate the hate, need to dump the indignation and focus on McCain, I don't want a 100 years war and I want our country out of this bloody recession.

I'm sick and tired of the babies not taking responsibility and mobilizing for a change instead I'm seeing whines and jabs. Get over it. We ultimately have one common goal ---- getting rid of a man who will ensure 4 more years if not more of policies that are against our people.

This is what also irks me. The Republican party for all intents and purposes are fully united behind McCain. They may have wanted Huckabee, they may hve wanted Paul or Romney but when it was McCain they ALL said we stand by him. The Demo's...no they whine and bitch like children. The presumptive nominee is set with a chance at an amazing ticket whoever is VP; now it's time for people to grow up and focus on change within this nation. In transparency, grassroots organizing to make sure that our future President, VP, House, Congressmen are fully aware of our demands and follow through; insteading of worrying so much about your emotional health and angst. It's not about the individual but the collective so we ALL can have a better life.

[PoliticalAmazon]

112. Unfortunately, as long as Hillary endangers our chances in November...

there will continue to be criticism against her.

And it won't be just here--you will see the same on message boards all over the internet, in the media, and from politicians and others.

I don't know what you can do to avoid it. If it was me I'd go to Bhutan for a month and study the yak's impact on transporation of nutrients in alpine soils. Politics seem to fade into the background when your nose is less than 2 inches from yak shit.

[zulchzulu]

113. An assessment of reality is not an "attack"

Until Hillary Clinton's mouth utters the words "I concede..." regarding Barack Obama winning the nomination, all bets are off and no holds are barred until she says those words.

It's not hate. It's an assessment. Just as a doctor would make an assessment regarding a situation, people who are disgusted with her behavior are simply applying the same treatment as a doctor.

Hillary Clinton has created her own mess. She can let it continue or she can do the correct thing. It's her call.

[rucky]

115. Consider it done!

[Geek_Girl]

117. It'll be ok.

Take a break from DU For about a week or so while Hillary's campaign winds down. Re-coup then come back.

[dana_b]

120. No!! No x!!

Go listen to some Iron Maiden instead!!! :headbang:

Seriously, point well taken.

[KoKo]

122. We have become what we disliked...."Free Republic."

:-(

[Rhiannon12866]

124. I sure understand, my friend. I hate this, too.

I'm a Kucinich supporter, turned Edwards supporter, who has finally decided on Obama. And Senator Clinton is my senator, who I've voted for twice, and I had the privilege of hearing President Clinton speak in 2006. He is also one of my heroes. I would support her if she's the nominee, and I hate the attacks, also. I understand the passion for your candidate. It's never easy, but we went through this also in 2004, so I guess I've gotten used to it. But I never have made it through all that without DU. You're among friends here... :pals:

[BlooInBloo]

125. But they never criticize *their* side. Instead, they continue to threaten....

and then they wonder why we keep criticizing.

:rofl:

[Vilis Veritas]

127. I am so with you.

Peace and thank you for saying what is in my heart.

18 million people.

[specimenfred1984]

128. Most in the U.S. are brainwashed propaganda spewers

A lot here at DU are freepers but DU wants their money. Ugly country we've developed into over the last 8 years and it'll tale at least 2 years to turn it around. This is a very important point: nothing will turn around unless (R) torturers, war criminals, traitors and obstructionists complicit in cover-ups of all the (R) crimes over the last 8 years are indicted, tried and found guilty of their crimes.

If the crooks aren't removed from office and public life, they will just come right back and commit the same crimes over and over again, just like Rumsfeld and Cheney from the Nixon admin.

[Danger Mouse]

130. recognize the haters, click hide thread or ignore.

it's the best option for sanity preservation

[barack the house]

131. A very good post, but ultimately the healing will start with the clintons.