RIP DLC.

[garybeck]

You have shown your ugly face, and now you are...

[Generator]

1. NOMINATED!

[LucyParsons]

2. K

I fucking hope so

[billyoc]

3. You have been judged and found wanting.

Adios, motherfuckers.

[Bright Eyes]

4. Who wants to take turns dancing on it?

:evilgrin:

[garybeck]

11. I can think of other things I might want to do on it

but I like to be polite so I'll keep it to myself.

[The Doctor.]

39. That reminds me... I've been sitting here for hours.

Gotta take care of business.

I'll picture the 'DLC' logo. :evilgrin:

[SwampG8r]

146. dancing first

then peeing later
then we get a beer let the round dry and dance some more
til we have to pee gain
repeat until satisfied

[calimary]

63. Take a number.

We aren't supposed to be moving center-wrong! We've got no business doing that, EVER. If you want center-wrong, you've already got a well-established choice.

[KaptBunnyPants]

125. Ewww. With all that pee on there?

No thank you.

[garybeck]

153. Pee?

I had something more solid in mind. :)

[BearSquirrel2]

127. I don't like dancing ...

I don't like dancing, but I'll make this an exception.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Colobo]

5. Good by DLC.

[izzybeans]

6. Here Lies a disrupter, the DLC has disrupted poorly.

[Dr.Phool]

7. GTFH DLC!

GO TO FUCKING HELL!!! DLC

[OhioChick]

9. Hear, Hear!

:toast:

[newmajority]

21. Don't you mean

GO BACK TO FUCKING HELL DLC!!! :evilgrin:

[workinclasszero]

8. Yeah, rest in pieces you rat bastards! (nt)

[LittleBlue]

10. Adios DLC

Won't miss you at all

[Catherina]

12. RIP to an evil organization of wolves masquerading as lambs n/t

[Zachstar]

13. AMEN!!!

[otohara]

14. Booyah!

nominated!

[Coexist]

15. RIP DLC

[PM7nj]

16. Harold Ford has been crying all night on MSNBC.

It's like his dog died.

[Clark2008]

22. No he hasn't.

I think he's sounded very gracious and grounded.

I really have no idea what you're talking about.

[Robeson]

57. Actually, he hasn't.

[mzmolly]

17. RIP RNC

Let's not forget them as well. ;)

[New Dawn]

18. K&R - to hell with the DLC/GOP!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

19. R.I.H.

Rot in hell, DLC.

[LSparkle]

20. K&R! We've taken our PARTY back -- next it's our COUNTRY!

[PassingFair]

29. The POWER of the INTERNETS!!!

Once we were able to suss them out....

we FLUSHED them out!

:party:

:toast:

[DinahMoeHum]

23. As the NY Giants said after the Super Bowl: We. . .Stomp You Out !!

:kick::kick:

[RBInMaine]

24. Careful now. DLC Dems are in fact DEMS and we need a large tent and EVERY vote.

[Generator]

27. Sure they can vote for 100 % Democrats for once

it might make them happy. OR they can have a 100 years war and no rights for women. It's up to them. Don't blame us.

[JAbuchan08]

123. and now is the time for THEM to put THEIR egos aside for once

and compromise with US for a change.

If their higher loyalty is to the party now is a perfect time to prove it. Either that or they can tear the party apart and pretend that it happened because we didn't bow to their will.

[loudsue]

126. DLCers are, in fact, NOT Dems. They vote with republicans, same values as republicans,

don't give a shit about PEOPLE, only corporations, JUST LIKE REPUBLICANS. So, why in the hell don't we call them what they are. INFILTRATORS. InfilTRAITORS. They are republicans who ran on the Dem ticket because they knew people were sick & tired of all things republican, and would VOTE for the Dem, not realizing they were republicans running on the Dem ticket.

It started with the Clintons and their benefactors, SOME OF WHOM I KNOW PERSONALLY. They ARE republicans, with republican values, and they switched to the Dem party in order to turn the party into republican-lite, who would vote the corporatist agenda.

The benefactors of the Clintons that I know personally were HEAVILY involved in shifting all of our manufacturing to China. They HATE labor unions, which is why it is so interesting to me that the labor union bosses have been pushing Hillary. I believe the management of labor unions in this country have been taken over by the same mafia that is running our congress.

There is no apology for the DLC. They are deceptive infiltrators, bought and paid for by the republican party. Just look at their poster boy, Joe Lieberman. What else does anyone need to know?

:kick:

[BearSquirrel2]

128. Hillary is a two faced liar with the unions ...

Hillary is a real two faced liar with unions. She is still pushing new free trade agreements tacitly through surrogates (people who worked for her campaign and ... HER HUSBAND).

I don't think that Obama is a leftist by any stretch. However, every politician works for the people who fund their campaigns. In Obama's case, that's US!!! Obama works for US!!! Hillary works for outsourcing slimeballs.

[mac2]

198. Sad but true.

They do a good job of making people think they support the right candidate for office.

[Towlie]

188. "Careful now. DLC Dems are in fact DEMS..."

No, we don't need them at all. They're "the Republican Wing of the Democratic Party."

[Generator]

25. Don't let the time traveling bunnies out

whatever you do! Do not move the island! (just my chance to kick this again!)

[Liberal Dose]

142. OMG I almost hate that I got that hahaha!

I'm Lost without Lost :)

[Individualist]

26. Burn in hell, DLC

[biscotti]

28. Amen!

[garybeck]

30. Who here thinks the DLC is going to

try very hard to get Obama to pick a DLCer as VP.

so here is the list of current DLCers according to
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/5/27/55951/1586


Brian Baird, U.S. Representative, WA
Max Baucus, U.S. Senator, MT
Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
Melissa Bean, United States Representative, IL
Shelley Berkley, U.S. Representative, NV
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA
Lois Capps, U.S. Representative, CA
Russ Carnahan, U.S. Representative, MO
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Ed Case, U.S. Representative, HI
Ben Chandler, U.S. Representative, KY
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY
Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL
Artur Davis, U.S. Representative, AL
Susan Davis, U.S. Representative, CA
Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator, CT
Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND
Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Representative, IL
Eliot Engel, U.S. Representative, NY
Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA
Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN
Charlie Gonzalez, United States Representative, TX
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA
Stephanie Herseth, U.S. Representative, SD
Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ
Darlene Hooley, U.S. Representative, OR
Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA
Steve Israel, U.S. Representative, NY
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Ron Kind, U.S. Representative, WI
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA
Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA
John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR
Carolyn McCarthy, U.S. Representative, NY
Mike McIntyre, U.S. Representative, NC
Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY
Charlie Melancon, United States Representative, LA
Juanita Millender-McDonald, U.S. Representative, CA
Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE
David Price, U.S. Representative, NC
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR
Loretta Sanchez, U.S. Representative, CA
Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA
Allyson Schwartz, U.S. Representative, PA
David Scott, U.S. Representative, GA
Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA
Vic Snyder, United States Representative, AR
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI
Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA
Tom Udall, U.S. Representative, NM
David Wu, U.S. Representative, OR

[frog92969]

36. They'll try

Obama has voiced his opposition to the DLC.
He knows who they are and what they're about.
I don't think they'll succeed.

[garybeck]

37. i hope you're right :)

[mac2]

103. Would a politican lie to us? Well yes.

Progressives aren't allowed.

[defendandprotect]

121. I also hope you're right -- I mean this is still a big power play by HRC ...

re her "millions of voters" who she seems to be doing a bit more than stirring up,
though it is long past time to concede.

[BearSquirrel2]

130. I think you might see some DLC defections ...

I think politicians often do things that they would not like. The DLC has controlled the Democratic party for a long time. The fact that you see Deaniacs taking over to the point that Hillary got squashed at the credentials meeting tells me that the worm has turned and you no longer have to pay tribute to the Clintonites to have any influence.

[SwampG8r]

149. i spotted 2 here

i will work to unseat them

[mac2]

199. Devastating would be to pick a African American northern male

and a Catholic female/male for VP. Gone the election 2008. Both are still minorities in this country.

it's not a great thing because the person is the first this or that. Look at Colin Powell and Condi Rice. Not a good thing.

[frog92969]

31. Be gone foul demon!!!

I fart in your general direction!
I piss on your shoe!

[Raine]

32. DLC...stoking the fires of hell for eternity

:evilgrin:

[Jack Rabbit]

33. This is a passing even I can celebrate

. . . and in November, we'll bury neoconsevatism with a stake through its heart.

[psychopomp]

34. Look out for zombies

[Major Hogwash]

35. Ripped to shreds! Post of the day!!!

Great post, man.

[Wilms]

38. .

[AtomicKitten]

40. Bah-bye.

:thumbsup:

[workinclasszero]

41. What is the location of the DLC grave?

I want to go piss on it and pay my respects!:evilgrin:

[Starfury]

42. From your lips to God's ears....

[phrigndumass]

43. Rot in Purgatory?

K/R

[invictus]

44. K & R

[invictus]

45. K & R

[Not Sure]

46. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya

adios, bitches.

[catgirl]

47. I'll kick to that!

[krkaufman]

48. A bit premature. They may be on the ropes ...

... but they're not dead until Obama wins in November.

[Solon]

49. The DLC is far from dead, they aren't even in danger...

So ONE of their members isn't going to be president, and that means what to an organization that has most of its power in the House and Senate again? Absolutely nothing, except for losing some bragging rights, they lost nothing important in this primary. They will still push through their policies in Congress and on the State level, and those will pass more often than not. Its an unfortunate situation, but those are the facts.

[newmajority]

51. The Clintons aren't mere "members" of the DLC

They were the "franchise players". And the primary defeat of Al Wynn, due to new Obama voters was pretty sweet too. :)

[MindMatter]

52. The DLC is intellectually bankrupt and fully exposed

But the point is valid that there are another 25 DLC zombies still running around the Senate chambers.

Step 1 was getting them out of the party machine and putting Deam in place.

Step 2 was getting the Clintons out of the race.

Step 3 will be winning in November with a generation of candidates that don't have the DLC disease

Step 4 will be targeting the remaining dead-ender DLCers in the election cycles to come.

Tonight was a very important milestone, but the battle is nowhere near done.

[Solon]

53. If this were the 1980s, or early 1990s, I would agree, but right now...

the DLC is bigger than the Clintons, yes they are the most visible members, franchise players, as you put it, but that's pretty much all they are. The DLC will not disband in 2009 with Obama in the White House, indeed, it is likely that they will expand their influence in the House, if not the Senate as well, in the coming elections. There influence hasn't been hampered, and isn't going to be hampered for a long time, indeed I don't doubt that it will expand in the coming years. People are being far too overoptimistic as to how "progressive" Obama is.

[sybylla]

93. Evidence suggests that

even the DLCers who supported HRC think this primary was about more than just winning the nomination. Look at the desperation in the words and actions of her water carriers. The fact that they propped up a dead end campaign for two-three months in a political world where money is always a finite resource bespeaks their desperation to win the presidency and return the DLC to power in the party and in Democratic politics.

To write the obit may be a bit premature, but Obama's win put them in a hospital bed on feeding tubes. Whether or not they will recover will depend on Obama, the new DNC chair, and the tone of this entire campaign season.

But I admit to being very hopeful.

[Major Hogwash]

183. The DLC's not dead, mate. IT'S JUST PINING FOR THE FIORDS!!

Ha ha ha.

[mod mom]

88. Our job continues. Still this is a victory for progressive netroots who worked to expose

the damage that has been done by the DLC. Hillary had a 20 point inital lead and name recognition that nobody could buy and she was defeated by a young positive Senator with not big backers, a funny name to many Americans and a dream.

[RB TexLa]

104. ahh, just sit back and laugh at the giddy grave dancing over a grave that isn't there

they are funny.

[redqueen]

113. Bullshit. Nice attempt to water down enthusiasm though.

You're on form there!

They lost the DNC in 2004.

This time, their candidate lost. And the candidate that won has denounced them.

And however much you or Hillary's supporters or just people who hate Obama / Obama's supporters / the enthusiasm he generates in others like to crow about how centrist he is... many disagree.

These are called "steps"... progress, not perfection.

Christ I'm tired of the 'nothing is good enough unless it's perfect' crowd.

[pollo poco]

50. Hooray! n/t

[Khaotic]

54. Goodbye DLC ...

and Goodnight!



Time for Progressives to Rock!!

[HowHasItComeToThis]

55. DO YOU MEAN "NO MORE REPUBLICAN LITE ?????????????

THERE IS NO SWING VOTER.

REPUBLICAN MEDIA FICTION.




:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[onehandle]

56. Their websites are still there. Their offices are still there. Hmm. nt

[loudsue]

158. And being paid for by their republican cronies.

Look into WHO finances the DLC, and you know everything you need to know about these infiltrators into the Dem party.

Joe LIEberman's election in 2004 was financed by the republicans.

[stlsaxman]

58. Good Riddance to bad rubbish.

don't go away mad. period.

[AzDar]

59. Nah Nah Nah , Nah Nah Nah, Hey Hey Hey....

:hi:

[cliffordu]

60. K&R!!!

Can we bury them face down??

[Iwillnevergiveup]

61. Kicked

and Rec lucky #88. I feel a breath of fresh air already.

[AllyCat]

62. So long, farewell, auf wiedersehn, goodbye!

Jerks.

[anonymous171]

64. Weren't they already becoming obsolete to begin with?

[PoliticalAmazon]

65. Sorry, Hillary Clinton is still pulling her DLC bullshit, so the DLC lives on in the....

Democratic Party.

[jespwrs]

66. Hopefully

The DLC and the PNAC will both go the way of the dinosaurs.

[Sunnyshine]

67. DLC- Your no good, your no good, your no good, corporate baby - your no good.

May they all finally get to know the grass roots base of the Democratic party. Or be buried by the onslaught of progress.

[newmajority]

150. Now that's a good song for the DLC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bzmDFznVCM

[Sunnyshine]

177. Lol...it sure is.

Van Halen :headbang:

[xxqqqzme]

68. Yes indeedy

I have beeb waiting for this day for quite a while. No longer do you Dino Losers Clique have the power to hold my vote hostage. Thank you Howard Dean for all your inspiration!

[democrank]

69. What? You mean no more genuflecting? YAY!!

~PEACE~

[Enrique]

70. Obama is a centrist dem

a lot of DLCers supported him and there's no reason they wouldn't.

Anyway, the DLC has been in decline and Obama's nomination doesn't affect that.

[sybylla]

95. Yeah, that's why all the centrist Dems who support Hillary

have been wigging out the last month. Because they actually prefer Barack.

[Enrique]

107. many progressives support Hillary

and many centrists support Obama. Ideologically they are pretty much the same.

And very few are wigging out.

[salguine]

71. Oh, God, we can only hope.

[oyvind]

72. Whats DLC short for?

[OneBlueDotBama]

73. Democratic Leadership Conference

they like to be called New Democrats, much to the dismay of the social democratic party in Canada, the NDP or New Democratic Party of Canada.

[Mudcat]

74. You mean after today? "Done Like Clinton"

[Phred42]

82. LOL !

[OneBlueDotBama]

167. Works for me

[Android3.14]

75. One can certainly hope

[Tesha]

76. Watch them emerge as a free-standing party, with folks like Lieberman and Hillary at the helm. (NT)

[mdmc]

78. God willing

the liberal GOP can join them.
Then we will have -
Cons / neo-cons / kkk
RNC
Libertarians
GOP/DLC
DNC
Progressives
Greens / socialist / radicals

[eridani]

77. Nope. We have a lot of work to do yet.

Starting with getting a really good farm team of progressives who have proven successful at holding local offices.

[Phred42]

79. ...And bury the Blue Dogs with them......

Once Obama is in the WH and the Dems have a veto proof majority in both houses -
it will be time to purge the Dem Party of all the Republican-lite disguising themselves as Democrats
THEN we can move the 'CENTER' back to the LEFT a few notches where it used to be.

[workinclasszero]

96. Man this is what I'm really hoping will happen!

I would love to have an FDR type government in charge again!:) :) :)

[Mudoria]

108. Without the Blue Dogs and the moderate Democrats

you would be fighting the Green Party for 4% of the vote.

[redqueen]

111. Bullshit. Schweitzer was elected gov of Montana... he's no puke light scum.

We need POPULISTS, not triangulating spineless sellouts.

[FatDave]

118. Baloney.

If a democrat actually stands up for progressive ideals, they will win votes. It's the pandering and triangulation that loses.

[rinsd]

164. Blue Dogs + New Democrats = 100 Congressmen & Congresswomen & 15 Senators

Good luck with the cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[rhett o rick]

186. If only. It sounds so good to say replace Blue Dogs but actually doing it isn't so easy.

In fact probably impossible. The only way an incumbent Democrat has been replaced is when they have been replaced by a republican. Lieberman is the exception that proves the rule. He was replaced in the primary (very rare in itself) but managed to keep his position because many of the Democratic party elite helped him defeat the Democratic choice Lamont.

[closeupready]

80. Amen.

:rofl:

[David Zephyr]

81. Glad I could K&R this thread still in time.

Thanks.

[BEZERKO]

83. Kicked to the curb!

I was wondering this whole time if it's time to start triangulating against the DLC!

[mirrera]

84. k&r

[tomp]

85. you gotta be kidding.

you think the dlc is going away, just like that. the very fact that they had the chutzpah to stay in this long (in fact, clinton has not yet conceded) indicates they are ruthless, have many resources, and are not to be trusted. they will be working in the wings no matter what. grossly premature celebration, gross political naivete.

[Romulox]

86. Austan Goolsbee???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austan_Goolsbee

Cognitive dissonance???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

[Lilith Velkor]

89. Cognitive dissonance

If Barack is elected, the wailing and teeth-gnashing commence within a month of inauguration. I'm developing a taste for schadenfreude in order to cope.

[Romulox]

90. It's scary that DUers don't know that DLCers have central leadership positions in the Obama campaign

Low information voters indeed! :wow:

[mod mom]

92. former. Some former DLCers have seen the light-example:

AL GORE:

FIRST..GORE BROKE WITH THE DLC TO BECOME A POPULIST:

Published on Sunday, August 20. 2000 in the Boston Globe
Thank You, Al Gore
by Robert Kuttner
A funny thing happened to Al Gore on the way to his surprisingly effective acceptance speech. He became a liberal.

The speech was as liberal as anything FDR or LBJ or Jesse Jackson or one of the Kennedys might have delivered. It was built around a commitment to fight for ordinary people, against large and powerful interests. This, of course, is precisely what made it effective.

The emotional heart of the speech, Gore's honoring of four ordinary American lives, did not just salute the struggles of workaday families, the way Ronald Reagan often did. It identified who was dishonoring their struggles - corporations. He singled out heartless HMOs who pressure a family to sacrifice a child; drug companies that force a pensioner to choose between food and medicine; corporate polluters; corporations that pay workers inadequate wages.

And he identified the solution: strong, reliable public Social Security; better Medicare; welfare reform that rewards work rather than punishing the needy; higher minimum wages; and more investment in public - not voucher - schools, so that working families don't have to send kids to crumbling classrooms.

What is the evil? Corporate power. What is the remedy? Effective government.

-snip
http://www.commondreams.org/views/082000-105.htm

SECOND, AFTER GORE'S WIN THE DLC BLAME HIS 'LOSS' (OBVIOUSLY, HE REALLY WON) ON BREAKING WITH THE DLC:

Strange Theory on Why Gore Lost



The so-called Democratic Leadership Council has decided that Al Gore should have acted more like a Republican in order to win the 2000 presidential electoral college vote in addition to his nationwide popular vote victory. This strange finding has drawn some attention, including coverage by the Associated Press and the Environmental News Service -- we have a few excerpts from their reports for you here.
Al Gore, the self-styled environmental candidate in the 2000 Presidential election, lost his bid for the White House because he campaigned on an outdated "populist" platform that was too liberal for most Americans, according to a new report drafted by the Democratic Leadership Council.

The 40-page report, titled "Why Gore Lost, And How Democrats Can Come Back," concludes that the Democratic Party must move towards the political right -- towards the Republicans -- if it wants to regain control of Congress in 2002 and the White House in 2004.

Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

-snip

http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm

[redqueen]

115. I applaud your efforts... but question the efficacy...

Logic = kryptonite for some around here.

Christ... like this is even news! :rofl:

[Romulox]

134. cognitive dissonance....nt

[redqueen]

140. Not even close.

Did you see this piece?

It's quite popular with those trying to re-ignite this particular talking point.

http://www.observer.com/2008/barack-obama-d-l-c-clintonite

Most of it is Al From blowing himself... but here's the important part:

Steven Clemons, a senior fellow at the rival, more liberal New America Foundation, finds any connection between Mr. Obama and the ideas of the D.L.C. tenuous at best.

“I think Obama’s political franchise is a very, very big tent,” said Mr. Clemons. “And I think a lot of institutions organizations and parts of the political spectrum are going to try and lay claim to him. But one only has to spend about 30 seconds on the Internet before finding Obama positions that run completely antithetical to the things that the D.L.C. and P.P.I. have put out.”

Mr. Clemons cited Mr. Obama’s positions on NAFTA and globalization, economic liberalization and human rights in China as places where he diverged with the generally trade-friendly D.L.C. He said that Mr. Obama’s repeated insistence that he would meet personally and unconditionally with leaders antagonistic to the United States was much different that the thinking of Will Marshall, the president and founder of the Progressive Policy Institute, and Peter Beinart, another foreign policy expert in the D.L.C. vein who wrote a book called “The Good Fight: Why Liberal—and Only Liberals—Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again.”

“I think Obama is in a completely different place,” Mr. Clemons said.


Take your time. Cynicism is hard to let go of.

[Romulox]

143. Obama's. Cheif Economist. Is. On. the. DLC. Payroll.

I'm not sure how you can discuss a matter with someone who denies plain fact. :wtf:

[redqueen]

147. Did I say he wasn't?

:wtf: indeed.

Are you just arguing with the OP about the DLC being officially and completely dead... or insinuating something about Obama?

Cause if it's the first... then fucking DUH. It is the LATEST STEP in the PAINFULLY slow death of these triangulating sold out whore motherfuckers.

[Romulox]

152. I'm quite explicitly saying that Goolsbee is setting Obama's economic policy.

Since right-wing economic policy is the raison d'etre of the DLC, it is lunacy to suggest that Goolsbee's position in Obama's inner circle signals the "latest step in the painfully slow death" of the DLC.

[redqueen]

156. I disagree.... as does Clemons

and thousands of other lefties who see the difference between "has a DLC advisor but proudly speaks against their policies and forced them to stop LYING about him being a member" and "IS a high profile and PROUD member of the DLC".


Jesus.

[Romulox]

160. If he disagrees with DLC policy, why is his top economic advisor a member?

You're not making a lot of sense here.

[redqueen]

162. Fuck it.

never mind.

fucking hopeless.

GOOD LUCK!

[Romulox]

163. I know we all cherish some delusions that we ultimately know to be false...

I have been nothing but civil to you, in an attempt to understand how you can downplay the DLC's chief economist's position in Obama's inner circle. Your inability to articulate your rationalization for Mr. Goolsbee's central presence in the Obama campaign is not my fault.

"fucking hopeless"

Indeed. :hi:

[redqueen]

165. Typical. (nt)

[rinsd]

169. Obama made them take his name off their list!

That obviously means something!

Forget about his policy advisors!

[Romulox]

173. That's nice. The next step would be to TAKE THEIR MEMBERS OFF HIS PAYROLL.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, so I will assume you are! ;-)

(btw: I wonder how the Obama supporters on this thread feel about their contributions paying Austan Goolsbee's salary? :scared:

[lastliberalintexas]

148. You can't

Some people are so invested in defending Obama as this avenging Liberal that they refuse to acknowledge the reality of his positions. Good try though.


That's not to say that Obama won't make a good president, just that we will have our work cut out in getting him to move left economically. I think MLK III's letter to Edwards was quite telling for this very reason, but apparently I am a minority of one. :)

[Romulox]

161. I'm really trying to understand the thought process, but it's hard to come to any other conclusion

than that some people want to believe so badly that they will simply ignore any inconvenient evidence.

[lastliberalintexas]

131. Except Goolsbee isn't a former conservative economist

He IS a conservative economist. You are correct about Gore, and some others who have not only left the DLC but flat our repudiated that organization. Goolsbee ain't one of them, whether he's a member of the DLC or not (I don't really care if he is, because Goolsbee would probably think they're too far left for him). Really, do just a little bit of research on the Chicago School and economics. You might be surprised- and a little displeased.


Obama is a pretty good Dem and I think he'll make a decent president, but it's fucking scary that he would have a Chicago School economist on his team.

[Romulox]

132. No, not former. Austan Goolsbee is both Obama's and the DLC's chief economist, CURRENTLY. nt

[sasquatch]

94. Well he needs to reach out to Hillary someway

[redqueen]

114. Flog that horse, baby!

:rofl:

[Romulox]

139. Are you denying that Goolsbee is DLC, or that he is Obama's chief economist?

Are you just hoping no one will notice? :shrug:

[redqueen]

141. No... I'm denying that it's the boogeyman that you seem to believe it is.

Yes, he has a centrist advisor. Does it mean he's as centrist as Clinton? No. That does not logically follow.

We can't know what he'll do once in office... but we can decide which candidate is the one we trust.

Also... we certainly DO know that the candidate with a DLC advisor is waaaaaay fucking better than the OFFICIAL DLC candidate. Logic.

[Romulox]

144. Ummm, the topic of this thread is "RIP DLC". I'm not the OP. nt

[redqueen]

145. Yeah... and like I said... it's not the end, but it's the beginning of the end.

I didn't confuse you with the person who posted the OP.

:wtf:

[uberblonde]

135. Oh, pshaw!

Just a coinky dink!

[LynneSin]

87. YEAH - let's kick them out of the party cause I LOVE REPUBLICANS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

:sarcasm:

I'm not a fan of the DLC but we're a big tent and we're going to need them to win this election in 2008.

Nuff said!

[sasquatch]

97. They're allowed in I just don't want them running the party

[sybylla]

98. Careful with the hyperbole there

There's no kicking implied. They can vote for progressives for once, just like we had no choice but to vote for their centrist candidates for so many years. Were progressives all crying they were kicked out of the party in the 90's? No. It's the Democratic Party and the DLCers can be part of it or they can choose to go elsewhere.

Why should our Democratic ideals be sacrificed for a tantrum? They are Democrats after all, aren't they? Now they get a chance to understand the meaning of the phrase "there's no such thing as a perfect candidate - unless you're running."

[Sunnyshine]

181. Wishing I could rec your comment sybylla. It is straight up true. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

91. Good riddens to bad rubbish. Time to take the "Conservative" out of the "Progressive" Party

eom

[bpeale]

99. RIP democratic party

[smoogatz]

100. The Democratic party has never been more energized.

What nearly killed it was allowing it to be taken over by a bunch of center-right corporatists. If we're not populist progressives, we might as well stay home.

[bpeale]

101. the democratic party will LOSE in november & LOSE big time

the democratic party & obama in particular (since he's claiming it) are not populists or progressives & they are no better than the republicans. and you might as well stay home since the media & party bigwigs are picking the candidates, not you.

[smoogatz]

102. Bullshit.

I voted for Obama in the Wisconsin primary and I'll proudly vote for him again in his historic landslide victory in November. All you DLC-types are so desperate to hang onto some shred of relevancy you're actually cheering for McCain. And you wonder why the progressive wing of the party can't stand you.

[bpeale]

154. but more than half the population won't. you lose. thanks for playing.

[smoogatz]

168. And you know this because....?

Oh, right. You don't. You're just talking out of your ass because that's all you've got left.

[iamthebandfanman]

179. leave your arrogance off DU

would ya?

nobody likes an asshole.

btw, with your attitude nothing will ever get done with anything. im sorry, this is a step in a better direction than we have been going.

[mac2]

105. Seems so.

After the hounding to remove everyone but Obama from the race. Republican RW media in Chicago love him. They know he's no Progressive and he could be beat. Hillary is the best candidate right now.

Before it would have been Edwards since the country cries out for a Progressive. Forget what the people want.

[FatDave]

120. Which is why every republican with a voice has spent the past 5 months propping up Hillary?

Give me a break.

[uppityperson]

166. fyi...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6259404&mesg_id=6268135

[smoogatz]

172. Color me unsurprised. nt

[iamthebandfanman]

178. RIP ur DU membership

id hope. since youre making anti party statements.

[wryter2000]

106. One can hope

Finito, adieu, don't let the door hit you

[NoodleyAppendage]

109. Don't count out the DLC yet. The Hillary for VP push is their LAST CHANCE.

If Obama does the wise thing and pushes the dagger into her black heart by picking someone else for VP, then (and only then) will the DLC be truly dead.

I wouldn't put is past the DLC or their corporate backers to run negative against Obama during the general election under the guise of a 527. Watch for it.

J

[wyldwolf]

116. or maybe the three DLC members who will win their Senate races this year? Or maybe...

... one of the handful of DLC members Obama will consider for the VP slot? Or perhaps one of the 16 or so freshmen Congressman from 2006 who joined the DLC?

[defendandprotect]

124. Right, last chance for close control . . . the DLC isn't looking for a Dem win . . .

and all their efforts in the past show that --- lose, lose, lose ---

We need to ensure that Howard Dean stays at the top of this party --

Dean helped us pull this out --

HRC for VP would be as big a mistake as LBJ for VP ---

[Major Hogwash]

184. Welcome to the Hotel California.

You can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave.

[redqueen]

110. K&motherfuckinR!

:woohoo:

:party:


Okay, so it's not officially dead yet... but it's the beginning of the end... and that's a good enough reason to celebrate for me!

:toast:

[Arugula Latte]

112. We must shrink the DLC enough to drown it in a bathtub.

[L0oniX]

117. If Hillary gets the VP you can sure the DLC will have much more power.

:evilfrown:

[Maestro]

119. Go down in flames!

Please, oh, please!

[defendandprotect]

122. We may be wrenching total control of the party from them, but like HRC

it will take a lot more to totally knock them out --

And, remember we have 40-46/? blue dogs in the Senate/House --- !!!

Not necessarily DLC but also moving the party to the "right" . . . !!!

[OzarkDem]

129. Are you really that naive?

Corporations control Obama's campaign, too. They're not doing it for free.

[mitchum]

133. I object; NO peace for those scumbags

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

136. If only it were true...sigh.

The right wing of the party will, unfortunately, survive to fuck up the country with more pandering (aka "triangulation".

[lastliberalintexas]

137. I need to bookmark this thread for the future

For some reason I get yelled at for pointing out that Obama is not the Great Liberal Savior portrayed by many of his supporters, and I am told repeatedly that his supporters know he's fairly moderate/centrist. Uh huh.

[garybeck]

151. forget labels, they always will steer you wrong.

liberal savior?
moderate centrist?

forget all that.

look deeper at the ideas and policies.

I would say he's moderate in some issues and more liberal in others.

I like him on most, but the one thing I don't really like as much is what I know about his health care plan. I believe strongly that NOTHING short of a single payer government run system is what we need. Since neither candidates are offering this, I guess I would settle for any steps in the right direction. I DON'T like Hillary's plan of mandated private coverage. YUK!

[peace frog]

138. TOMBSTONED, SUCKAS!

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of scumbags. BUH-BYE! :hi:

[Krashkopf]

155. Don't rest until we put Stake through its frickin' heart!

Which we can do working our asses off to insure that Obama wins the White House.

[death to the DLC]

157. heh heh

obviously kicked with pride!

[dchill]

159. K&R

[mtnsnake]

170. Obama just got finished running the most DLC type campaign in modern history

with his "Reach out to Republicans" theme. No wonder DLC Chief, Harld Ford, loves him so much.

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

[speedoo]

171. It's fitting to recall the words of President Eisenhower and Bob Dylan...

"... and I'll stand o'er your grave and make sure that you're dead."

Warning: Do not view this video if you will be disturbed by many graphic images of war-ravaged people, mostly children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ELgFGd2fs

[Kitty Herder]

176. Thanks for the link. I love that song.

I didn't actually watch the video, though, just listened while looking at another page. I think I've reached my limit of images of war-ravaged people for a little while. I'm sure there wasn't much in that video that I haven't already seen, so I just enjoyed the music and the righteous anger the lyrics engender.

[speedoo]

180. You're very welcome. It's a powerful song that must never be forgotten.

And I'm glad my warning was helpful to you. :hi:

[johnlal]

174. I'm with you.

My heart felt lighter when it was announced that Obama won.

[Kitty Herder]

175. I think this patient has been declared dead a bit prematurely.

Despite Hillary's defeat, the DLC is alive and well. Unfortunately, I think we'll be dealing with center-right Democrats for a long time to come, DLC members or not.

[Sunnyshine]

189. They won't be in charge though. The party power has shifted slightly away from center-right hands

Of course this OP is not literally true, but I think the analogy means that us progressives are seeing the benefits of what we have been working our butts off for in the last 6yrs. From D.C. to Texas, College campuses VR drives to district protests, talking and blogging, voting and petitioning, speaking to neighbors to writing LTE, we have been getting others to take another look at the Democratic Party, like my anti-war friends that have been tired of politics as usual coming from both parties. We have and we will continue to, elect better politicians to represent us.

We know we are only taking a short jot to center, which means there is still room to improve the progressive vote of this party. We have been the silent majority in some ways. I am happy to see our party appealing to at large voters. It is a small victory for returning a wee bit of power to the Democratic community. The DLC is the group who needs to acknowledge the reality of our presence in this party and work to solve the issues we want addressed.

Regardless of Barack's centrist label, or his using a particular person within the DLC, this party will do whatever we can to support him because he motivated the swell of support and money that is required to run a campaign and win the office of POTUS. Once there, we will hold him accountable. Perfection is not found in one president, but we people can come together to challenge them and guide them towards the direction of progress.

[Yes We Did]

182. Happy to give the 200th REC!

[YDogg]

185. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

heh

[rhett o rick]

187. If only. We have won a victory in the war but the war is still on.

And the DLC has big pockets. In actuality Sen Clinton still is still in the running. With the upsets in 2000 and 2004 still fresh (rottenly fresh) in our minds we shouldn't get to cocky (no gender bias intended). Since she hasn't conceded the contest will have to go to the convention. Granted Obama currently has enough pledged delegates, some of the super-duper delegates could change their minds. Stranger things have happened.
Keep fighting

[Laelth]

190. I wish no peace to the DLC.

But I hope they give it a rest ... permanently.

-Laelth

[DeSwiss]

191. Put another stake in its heart....

...just to be on the safe-side.

- K&R!!!

[hulka38]

192. Re Goolsbee: By choosing Obama the party will nominate the most liberal

thinking candidate on the economy and many other important issues that is capable of winning the Democratic nomination and then the GE. Obama pushes the left's agenda as far as it can reasonably go in 2008. If he has success it will open up many more opportunities to further the left's causes.
As for having a DLC member in an advisory role, it doesn't depress me. An adviser is an adviser. Barack will steer the ship as he sees fit.
If I were President I would want advice from several perspectives on issues that I'm not an expert on. This is the anti-Bush approach to decision making. The Bush approach is to surround yourself with group thinkers advocating basically the same position. The Bush approach is a bad way to govern regardless of whether it's exercised from the right, middle or left. I trust that Obama will have a diverse group of experts advising him on many matters of importance such as the economy.
And it certainly doesn't minimize the blow that just befell the DLC yesterday. Despite of all their advantages they have been rejected and will never have a stranglehold over this party again - RIP indeed.

[happygoluckytoyou]

193. w00t!!!!!

[Zodiak]

194. I really need to read the rest of this thread, and I will (but busy now)

But I do want to say first that this is NOT the death of the DLC. They are still there and have a hell of a power base within the Senate. That is enough leverage over the workings of our government for the DLC to play a few more cards before they fold their hand.

What we have done is broke their backs...which is a huge accomplishment. With luck and a little more sustained pushing, we can atomize the organization as politicians run from it full-speed. I see signs of it starting already with key defections (we really scared them with Leiberman, I think). That, and their money base has just been dwarfed by a wide and deep pool of grassroots Democratic support.

But they are not finished. They can really still put a major wrench in Obama's gears if he wins the Presidency, especially from the Senate. They can engineer much mischief, as has been proven time and time again.

If we elect a TON of Democrats into office and sweep the pukes, the DLC is weakened more, though. They rely on a divided Congress...a strong Democratic one would make their treachery stick out like a sore thumb, and they are often too cowardly to operate in the open, especially now when the blogosphere has the DLC in their cross-hairs.

[RBInMaine]

195. Alright, enough already. DLC Dems are still Dems. They will endorse Obama. ENOUGH DIVISIVENESS !

[Zodiak]

201. Were they Dems when they put in the patriot act?

Were they Dems when they put Roberts and Alito in the Supreme Court?

Were they Dems when they signed off on the Iraq war?

These people are not Democrats...they are corporate moles that are there to continue our march to fascism and co-opt the only voice the people would normally have in our government.

How a person labels themselves has very little meaning when compared to how they vote and what effect they have.

[peacetalksforall]

196. Symptoms:

1 - Milquetoast offense and defense on corporate tv. Always nicey nice with Republicans - never or rarely said what needed to be said - always angling for the only presence on corporate tv.

2 - Confusing signals and advice to Al Gore during the campaign. Serious bad advice post-election.

3. - Selecting Kerry - as good of a man that he is, but also giving him poor advice and guidance. Especially, post election.

4.- Attempting to keep it all in the DLC clique.

5. - Allowing the invasion of a soverign nation and trying to make the most of maximum points with war mongering and pandering to votes and ultra-loyalty to bad regimes in Israel.

6. - Making sure they had a candidate who pushed for NAFTA and other Republican programs that favored certain people.

7. - Allowing the Florida and Michigan debacle and spending our money to file lawsuits. No rule of legal positions.

Please add your own or refute.

[Sunnyshine]

197. Have three more:

8. - Running as populist, then abandoning that platform once elected.

9. - Allowing corporations/conservatives to shape our party's agenda.

10. - Bradley Foundation

[Asider23]

200. dlc is live and kicking