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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:20 PM
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Obama - Webb '08
Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) would be the perfect complement to Senator Obama (D-IL) on our party's ticket.

Going to keep this brief, because we're all excited, and it's very busy in here:

He has the national security knowledge and military experience that Obama is going to need.

He has credibility with his opposition to the Iraq occupation.

He is a FIGHTER. He will not be swiftboated. McCain will be countered point for point.

He supports labor strongly.

He is a moderate from a southern state, which is still a strategic electoral necessity for the Democratic ticket.

He writes as well as Obama speaks, and isn't bad on the stump.


I think they would work well together, and not only unite us, but bring some of the fence-straddlers and alienated Republicans into our fold. You want change? You got it. Obama/Webb 2008!
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:23 PM
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1. i agree with you
there are other VP choices i personally might be more aligned with politically, but Webb on the ticket would really smash McSame. for all the reasons you state above.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:24 PM
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2. Works for me.
Possible problem with the women's vote, but right now, he's at the top.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:24 PM
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3. Obama won't pick a senator with even less experience than he has.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:46 PM
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15. Webb has some experience
McCain talks about his love of the Navy, Webb was Secretary of the Navy.

McCain flew a bomber and was held prisoner by the Viet Cong. Webb made Rambo look like a pansy. Charged a fortified position alone, took it out, 3 enemy soldiers come out to get his men, he single-handedly corrals them all, took out another position, they throw a grenade at his buddies, he dove on it and it exploded, before losing consciousness, he took out another position. Experience that!




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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:48 PM
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16. Former Secretary of the Navy
and a very strong military career and a highly decorated combat veteran.

Yes, he has less experience in the Senate, but has much to offer.

I like Webb too. He is a bit conservative for my tastes, but I believe he is an honorable and decent man. I can trust that. He is no phony.

What I particularly like about him is that he WILL NOT ABUSE our military. That I have confidence in.

He also won't take the shit handed out by the right-wing smear machine. He is too smart and articulate.

Whenever I think of who would make a good VP, my thoughts always go to Jim Webb, even though I can think of some others who would compliment Obama, as well.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:24 PM
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4. Two people with less experience would be tough to find....
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:38 PM
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8. Webb's a former secretary of the Navy. Under Reagan.
He's got the military cred McCain wishes he had.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:25 PM
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He leans right. Obama is a liberal. We need a liberal VP!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:41 PM
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9. Webb is an economic liberal
A populist in the classic Democratic sense.

He has deep experience too:

Secretary of the Navy.

Assistant Secretary of Defense.

Embedded journalist in Beirut in 1983, won an Emmy for his coverage for PBS.

Embedded journalist in Afghanistan in 2003.

Won the second and third highest medals for combat in Vietnam.

Best-selling novelist. 1978's "Fields of Fire" is still taught by history professors as the definitive portrait of realistic combat in Vietnam.

Conceived of, and led the fight for, an African-American soldier to be included in the statue at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.


To counter the usual tired talking points from the right and left:

He has long ago disavowed his 1979 piece that opposed women in combat. Unlike Bush, he admits when he is wrong, and can tell you specifically WHY he was wrong. His service subsequent to 1979 (long ago), and the testimony of the many women who have worked and served alongside him attest to this.

Although he did work for the Reagan administration, he resigned in protest when the Pentagon wouldn't go along with his plan for troop and base reductions in western Europe. Congress mandated budget cuts, and even as the Cold War was not yet over, he recognized that the troop presence and alignment in western Europe was outmoded and wasteful. He felt the troops needed redeployed homeward and we needed a new long term strategy. The changes in the 90's proved him right.

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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:25 PM
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5. I agree 100%.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:27 PM
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6. I STILL really like Dodd
Have from the beginning..

Also Richardson, Clark, Warner - or anyone else besides Polarizing Hillary with all of her and Bill's baggage.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:42 PM
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10. Dodd is a good senator
But would not boost the ticket. He needs to stay in the Senate and help in Senator Kennedy's absence.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:34 PM
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7. Have you looked at Webb's Senate voting record...?
There has to be a better vp choice...
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:44 PM
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13. I have posted openly where I disagree with him
Some of his votes drove me crazy (like the wiretapping extension).

But if I wanted a perfect VP (or senator) I would vote for myself.

He beats the hell out Feinstein anyway, lol.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:43 PM
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11. Webb is the man
To help Obama take the White House
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:44 PM
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12. That's the ticket!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:50 PM
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17. Good pic
I forgot to mention that Webb sponsored the recent "New GI Bill" that McCain voted down. Even John Warner (a dumb SOB usually) supported it.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:45 PM
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14. I think he's good where he is, in Virginia.
Not on a national ticket.... Much too conservative for me.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:52 PM
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18. I agree!
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:07 PM
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19. I like Sen. Webb.
He would steal many voters that lean conservative from supporting McCain.
He has the experience in matters both military and foreign affairs.
White males will vote for him.
Brings a good balance to the ticket as a Southerner.
Lacks any baggage, personal or political.
From what I can discern, is a fiscal conservative. We need that now before it's too late.
Knows what a chain of command is, and will follow the lead of his chief.
Willing to take a stand on the hard issues that may hurt him politically, even though it is best for the country.
There is no B.S. with this guy. Ever.
Immediately neutralizes any argument from the other side that Democrats are soft on defense.
Would even be able to scare Chuck Norris.


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MassLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:41 PM
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20. that's my ticket
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:11 PM
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21. An ex-Republican who stands up for the Middle Class that the GOP Betrayed......
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 11:13 PM by charles t


One of his first acts after election, even before taking office, was to directly & eloquently address the issues of class struggle, and the plight of the middle class, on the pages of the Wall Street Journal:



Class Struggle

American workers have a chance to be heard.


by JIM WEBB
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

The most important--and unfortunately the least debated--issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century. America's top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are literally living in a different country. Few among them send their children to public schools; fewer still send their loved ones to fight our wars. They own most of our stocks, making the stock market an unreliable indicator of the economic health of working people. The top 1% now takes in an astounding 16% of national income, up from 8% in 1980. The tax codes protect them, just as they protect corporate America, through a vast system of loopholes.

Incestuous corporate boards regularly approve compensation packages for chief executives and others that are out of logic's range. As this newspaper has reported, the average CEO of a sizeable corporation makes more than $10 million a year, while the minimum wage for workers amounts to about $10,000 a year, and has not been raised in nearly a decade. When I graduated from college in the 1960s, the average CEO made 20 times what the average worker made. Today, that CEO makes 400 times as much.

In the age of globalization and outsourcing, and with a vast underground labor pool from illegal immigration, the average American worker is seeing a different life and a troubling future. Trickle-down economics didn't happen. Despite the vaunted all-time highs of the stock market, wages and salaries are at all-time lows as a percentage of the national wealth. At the same time, medical costs have risen 73% in the last six years alone. Half of that increase comes from wage-earners' pockets rather than from insurance, and 47 million Americans have no medical insurance at all.

Manufacturing jobs are disappearing. Many earned pension programs have collapsed in the wake of corporate "reorganization." And workers' ability to negotiate their futures has been eviscerated by the twin threats of modern corporate America: If they complain too loudly, their jobs might either be outsourced overseas or given to illegal immigrants.

This ever-widening divide is too often ignored or downplayed by its beneficiaries. A sense of entitlement has set in among elites, bordering on hubris. When I raised this issue with corporate leaders during the recent political campaign, I was met repeatedly with denials, and, from some, an overt lack of concern for those who are falling behind. A troubling arrogance is in the air among the nation's most fortunate. Some shrug off large-scale economic and social dislocations as the inevitable byproducts of the "rough road of capitalism." Others claim that it's the fault of the worker or the public education system, that the average American is simply not up to the international challenge, that our education system fails us, or that our workers have become spoiled by old notions of corporate paternalism.

Still others have gone so far as to argue that these divisions are the natural results of a competitive society. Furthermore, an unspoken insinuation seems to be inundating our national debate: Certain immigrant groups have the "right genetics" and thus are natural entrants to the "overclass," while others, as well as those who come from stock that has been here for 200 years and have not made it to the top, simply don't possess the necessary attributes.

Most Americans reject such notions. But the true challenge is for everyone to understand that the current economic divisions in society are harmful to our future. It should be the first order of business for the new Congress to begin addressing these divisions, and to work to bring true fairness back to economic life. Workers already understand this, as they see stagnant wages and disappearing jobs.

America's elites need to understand this reality in terms of their own self-interest. A recent survey in the Economist warned that globalization was affecting the U.S. differently than other "First World" nations, and that white-collar jobs were in as much danger as the blue-collar positions which have thus far been ravaged by outsourcing and illegal immigration. That survey then warned that "unless a solution is found to sluggish real wages and rising inequality, there is a serious risk of a protectionist backlash" in America that would take us away from what they view to be the "biggest economic stimulus in world history."

More troubling is this: If it remains unchecked, this bifurcation of opportunities and advantages along class lines has the potential to bring a period of political unrest. Up to now, most American workers have simply been worried about their job prospects. Once they understand that there are (and were) clear alternatives to the policies that have dislocated careers and altered futures, they will demand more accountability from the leaders who have failed to protect their interests. The "Wal-Marting" of cheap consumer products brought in from places like China, and the easy money from low-interest home mortgage refinancing, have softened the blows in recent years. But the balance point is tipping in both cases, away from the consumer and away from our national interest.

The politics of the Karl Rove era were designed to distract and divide the very people who would ordinarily be rebelling against the deterioration of their way of life. Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet. But this election cycle showed an electorate that intends to hold government leaders accountable for allowing every American a fair opportunity to succeed.

With this new Congress, and heading into an important presidential election in 2008, American workers have a chance to be heard in ways that have eluded them for more than a decade. Nothing is more important for the health of our society than to grant them the validity of their concerns. And our government leaders have no greater duty than to confront the growing unfairness in this age of globalization.

Mr. Webb is the Democratic senator-elect from Virginia.


http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009246








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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:20 PM
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22. That platform alone
Is the main reason I endorse him for a slot on the ticket.

Incidentally, he was a Democrat before he was a Republican. He was raised in a household that admired FDR greatly, and it wasn't until Vietnam that he left the party (he explains in detail in his book). He never held office until 2007, and rejoined the party of his youth because he wants to help it reconnect with its working class roots. That has always been one of the reasons I have been a Democrat since I came into politics back in the 80's. It's the PEOPLE'S party. Let the CEO's and fundies keep the GOP.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:33 PM
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23. He would be a great VP.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:35 PM
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24. Yup. I've had a VP crush on Webb for awhile now.
I can't even imagine anybody else, so I sure hope Obama picks him...
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:34 PM
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25. VP Kick
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