If Hillary wants the VP spot, she will get it.

[Maddy McCall]

The Democratic Party is bigger than Barack Obama. And Michelle's opinion matters none.

If party leaders decide that Hillary should be VP, then, if Obama is smart, he'll accept Hillary Clinton on the ticket.

If the party is to be healed, then Clinton WILL be Obama's VP candidate.

[thunder rising]

1. Got to remember the meds.

[Maddy McCall]

2. Good luck with that.

[movonne]

50. You might look up the vetting process...they couldn't make it ...

[roguevalley]

59. what an ungracious, mealy-mouthed small remark to make, OP.

this is pathetic. wait and see. Its up to him now. He is the leader of our party, not her.

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[Windy]

4. It is his decision to make Maddy. He has earned that right.

He has shown exceptional judgment thus far in his life and his career, his political career and his campaign and therefore, I have confidence that he will make the best decision for the party and for the nation.

[Hieronymus]

Damn right, it's Obama's show now .. back off Hillary.

[Genevieve]

Yes, it is his decision.. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

5. yup

They're both smart. They're both politicians. People here take every offense personally - more personally than the candidates themselves do.

If the numbers show it's the winning combo (and I think they will), then they'll do it.

[yourguide]

6. FAIL.

It's his call, not hers. She has no standing to bully her way on to the ticket.

[jody]

7. And as VP candidate, if BO loses HC will be the presumptive Dem candidate in 2012. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

11. (shrug) She was the presumptive nominee for 2008 too. We saw how that went for her.

[jody]

21. If BO loses, IMO HC will deserve a shot at the presidency. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

26. It is her *right* as a 35+ year old natural born citizen to take all the shots she wants.

[AllentownJake]

8. Its a process

If he thinks she will help him win she'll be on the ticket. If not she won't.

There is a process and it will unfold over the next 3-4 weeks.

[AllentownJake]

9. Its a process

If he thinks she will help him win she'll be on the ticket. If not she won't.

There is a process and it will unfold over the next 3-4 weeks.

[WillyT]

10. So... OTOH... If She Doesn't Get It, It Must Mean She Didn't Want It, Right ???

Can we get you on record on this???

:shrug:

[KSCFAN]

12. Good idea

pick someone with huge negatives. Way to get the independents. It would be nice to pick a non politician. A person of science perhaps to show this will be an administration of reason. I like Bill Gates but I'm sure that is controversial.

[DerekJ]

13. Maaadddyyyyy...The only Clinton supporter I missed.

:hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

14. That ticket is dead in the water

IMHO.

[Maddy McCall]

23. Why?

[bicentennial_baby]

28. Well...

I think 1) it's a big risk to have an AA nominee, and even more so to have an AA and a woman, right now. 2) I think her statements against him (i.e. McCain being more qualified than Obama) will be replayed endlessly by the GOP during the GE campaign.

That's just how I feel. :shrug:

[JackBeck]

32. Your #2 has already begun to happen:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/03/republicans-begin-to-highlight-clinton%e2%80%99s-criticism-of-obama/

[bicentennial_baby]

38. I know, as I've been prediciting it would.

[JackBeck]

40. And she gave the Repugs these talking points

AFTER the numbers were not in her favor.

[bicentennial_baby]

42. Which is why it is completely, utterly a non-starter

I assume that Obama knows this. I hope.

[Maddy McCall]

35. This has been the closest, most divided primary in recent history....

mainly because both candidates have fervent, dedicated supporters.

I think it's pretty much inevitable that if Hillary wants the VP slot, she'll get it.

[yourguide]

36. nope.

[bicentennial_baby]

37. That didn't address my points, at all

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[sniffa]

55. Um, no it didn't

[movonne]

53. Having the clinton garbage for another 8 years would be a disaster...I

think most of us would like to move on to an all new era..no clintons no bushes...good idea?

[JackBeck]

56. Agreed.

That was going to be my Point #3 as an add-on to bi_baby's post.

Clinton scandals will overshadow an Obama presidency.

[jefferson_dem]

15. Sorry. I stopped reading after "Michelle's opinion matters none."

You are lost.

[cbayer]

16. I hope she wants it and I hope he embraces it.

Obama/Clinton '08

Missed seeing you around lately Maddy. :hi:

[Lilith Velkor]

58. Aww.

That pic is so cute.

[earthside]

17. It's Not About Her Anymore.

It's not about her anymore.

It's not about her anymore.

It's not about her anymore.

[mdmc]

18. I hope not

:cry:

[Orangepeel]

19. If Obama and his campaign think it will help him win, she'll be the VP. Otherwise, she won't.

It won't be a personal decision either way.

[Crunchy Frog]

20. Obama should not give in to extortion.

It would be an enormous failure of leadership on his part, and would make him look weak for the GE. If the party forces this on Obama, I will wash my hands of it. If the party is to be healed, Hillary has to accept that she's not entitled, and doesn't get to have everything she wants.

[kid a]

22. Where the hell did you come from?

[anamnua]

24. I seriously doubt if Hill will diminish herself by politically

hopping into bed with the faux messiah. Even if she does it will make no difference to my voting intentions ( or, more accurately, lack of voting intentions).

[Texasgal]

25. I wouldn't mind it...

Actually, I think it would ensure a democrat in office.

[TexasObserver]

27. No. She won't get it. The party is so over the Clintons.

They're the only thing that can pull us down in November.

[LisaM]

29. The race is a statistical tie. Half the Democratic voters want her

more, if you consider that she did better in closed primaries.

The job should be hers if she wants it, and I hope she does want it. It would be a formidable ticket and if McCain picks Condi as a running mate, I would pay money to watch Hillary take on Condi in a debate. In fact, I'd like to see her debate Huckabee and/or Romney, too. Heck, I'd like to see her take on all three of them at once. She'd make mincemeat of any of them.

[Maddy McCall]

31. Great post....especially on the Hillary/Condi debate point.

I'd love to see that, too.

:D

[EFerrari]

45. The money isn't a statistical tie. And that's the deal.

Obama can chose to ask her or not to ask her.

[Erin Elizabeth]

30. So Hillary is God?

She doesn't get to decide SHIT. She's not in any position to be dictating ANYTHING.

[gmudem]

33. Obama is now the leader of the Democratic Party.

The Vice Presidential nominee will be exactly who he wants it to be, and nobody else. If Clinton was so interested in unity, she wouldn't have acted like such an ass to Obama.

When she said McCain was more qualified to be president than Obama, she lost her chance at the VP.

I know you love her Maddy, but Hillary will only be in the White House as a visitor from now on.

[shaniqua6392]

34. I hope she is the VP!

That would really bring the party together.

[4themind]

39. That remains to be seen

you can say that your perception of their interests suggest that to you but to say "WILL"(at least by my interpretation of the english language_ can be interpreted as meaning that there is no other possibility occurring if she "wants" the slot. If you have sufficient criteria to eliminate all of other altenatives as proof I'm open to hearing it, because I doubt (and hope) that you aren't making that claim a priori, but from your second sentence it seems to suggest that you are not. The level and degree of healing sufficient to win the G.E. with or without her on the ticket also remains to be seen.

[AZSlacker]

41. Hi Maddy.

I wouldn't be happy if Hillary were selected as VP... mostly because I don't think it would net many votes.. that said... if it does happen I will learn to live with it... I really hope that you will rejoin us here in the coming weeks/months... although our preferred candidates were different, I always admired your intelligence and tenacity (I also admire Hillary's intelligence and tenacity), and I want you on our side in the GE.

[KittyWampus]

43. are you really THAT stupid? The party leaders support Obama. The money people support Obama

except for a small shrinking core, the Clintons have little support.

Their arm-twisting and constant demand for money and fealty TURNED PEOPLE OFF.

[The River]

44. I Don't Get It

you seem able to form whole sentences and construct paragraphs
yet your words make no sense what so ever.

How's the weather on the upper reaches of DeNile?

[L0oniX]

46. Well it's good for you to have dreams and goals.

:evilgrin:

[KAZ]

47. She won't get squat. Yesterday's news.

[billyoc]

48. Her husband's brigandage has eliminated that possiblilty for her.

She'd never get 10 feet into the vetting process married to that corsair.

[woolldog]

49. Whatever you have to tell yourself when Obama picks someone else

is fine with me. If when she isn't VP it makes you happy to think that she could've gotten it if she wanted it, then fine by me.

[quakerboy]

51. If she refuses to concede, I see that becoming a lot less likely.

[NoFederales]

54. Damn, trying to deny even one evening of joy for Obama supporters!

I raise my next shot of whiskey to you. Yes, the Democratic Party is bigger than its individual constituents, as well as its DLC misfits to whom I raise my next shot of whiskey--may you all fucking choke on your lies and snark, the Democratic Party belongs to Obama and it is you who WILL be nice if you have requests to make.

NoFederales

[MonkeyFunk]

57. LOL!

"lies and snark" - the stock in trade of Obama fans.

[dmr]

60. Well, that's sportsmanship for ya. "What Lola wants, Lola gets."

(To quote "Damn Yankees".)

Why does the Party and Obama have to acquiesce to Clinton for healing?

Do you not think that healing could rest upon Hillary to congratulate Obama and move on as all the other candidates in both parties have done?

Is it only because she wants it?

Why must it always be about Hillary and not about Obama?

She is the one constantly stirring the pot of division, not Obama.

I no longer recognize the woman I once admired, and would like those feelings to return. That is up to her, I guess.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

61. CHANGE

Obama is running on CHANGE.

Hillary is not change.

[smiley_glad_hands]

62. She's probably already burned that bridge.

Maybe Sec of Health & Human Services.

[ORDem]

63. Give. It. Up. It's over and she is history now. It's Obama's decision. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

64. it doesn't work that way.

If Obama decides to offer it to her, after weighing the pluses and minuses, then she'll get it; she and Bill are a nightmare as far as a thorough vetting goes, and she brings nothing to the ticket, though. I wouldn't put any money on an Obama/Clinton ticket.

[GoldieAZ49]

65. absolutely right

good to read you again Maddy, miss seeing that toothy frog...and it still isn't showing with sigs off

[ShortnFiery]

66. No. HRC is now a "tragic figure" and close to an embarrassment. eom

[canadian_is_cold]

67. Why? She wanted to be President, and she didn't get that. n/t

[chill_wind]

68. Good point. n/t