This is not over! Stop listening to the media

[VeraAgnes]

I find it highly unprofessional for our MSM to be sending out knowingly Campaign disinformation in effort to manipulate two Primaries.

So, let me say this..........Listen everyone--this is not over. Superdelgate votes DO NOT COUNT until they are cast at the convention. That means that the number of 2118 (which is only for the pledged delegates from primaries and caucuses) has not been met by Barack Obama and cannot be met by him, even with the pledged delegates from Montana & South Dakota that he may win tonight. 2118 is the current number to get the nomination, and per DNC rules, superdelegate votes do not count towards that number.

Please stop listening to what the media has been spinning today, it is nothing more than an attempt at voter suppression on Montana and South Dakota. They don't want people out voting today.

Hillary will be speaking tonight in NY and has a positive message for all Democrats. It is my gut feeling, this woman is not getting out of the race!

The Clinton campaign put out a statement today saying the AP story stating she would concede tonight is incorrect and that she will not concede. The VP story is nothing but rumours from two NY lawmakers looking for a little press.

It is my sense on the matter that this will go to the Convention. I am very shocked at the media fantasy being spead over the airways...........it's not Journalism or Reporting, it's promoting propaganda. I want the truth to the best of their knowledge and I can handle the truth.

[bicentennial_baby]

1. I'm sorry for you, genuinely

It is over, in essence. :hug:

[VeraAgnes]

Did you really read my post that fast?

Did to think about the information and opinion? If so, you sure are speedy!

[bicentennial_baby]

26. Yes, I'm a student...I read quickly

Seriously. I have to every day. :)

[VeraAgnes]

54. That makes a lot of sense.........

O8)
I'd love to take an elective right now on the Media Influence for the 21st Century. I'm not a student anymore by far.........but I guess I could just go for fun this time.

[bicentennial_baby]

64. I love school! But, I'm a non-trad student

finishing up my Undergrad at age 31. :)

I had to proofread a 250 page Econ textbook draft in 1.5 hours last week at my internship. :crazy:

I'm well trained. :P

[VeraAgnes]

78. I love a success story by those who worker so very hard.

You have role model leadership skills! :yourock:

[bicentennial_baby]

83. I have indeed worked my ass off! Got to college late

Tumultuous 20s, abusive relationship, settled down, went to school and now I'm taking a 5th year to do my Senior Honors thesis in Econ, will graduate with honors and distinction in Econ next June.

And, it's all been worth it. :)

Thanks so much! :pals:

[roguevalley]

91. may I say in advance, bicentennial_baby, you are terrific. Congrats

in advance from Alaska, honey. Been there, done that and I know how wonderful you will feel when you are completely done.

[bicentennial_baby]

94. Awwwww! Thanks so much!

:hug:

I'm kinda proud of me. :P

[Iceburg]

136. Good story bicentennial ...you will be rewarded many times over

for your hard work and tenacity. There is no substitute.

But I have to agree with the OP -- the corporate media has been as complicit in passing off disinformation during this election cycle as it was during the lead up to the Iraq war. There is not one amongst them who can stand tall. A few print journalists Seymour Hersh and Helen Thomas are the only pair that I can think of that have never strayed from the path of truth.

[K Gardner]

72. The Obama Family has a message for you...

[Muttocracy]

131. that's a hysterical photo - in east Africa? nt

[NYCGirl]

2. It's over. The remaining supers will begin to leave Clinton and go to Obama.

That's the way it has always happened.

[LibraLiz1973]

3. This isn't going to the convention. Someone FINALLY told her

, in a way she could believe, that doing so would be career suicide.

[dorktv]

124. Hey, in just four years she will be sixty five and can retire...so maybe she does not care?

[Radio_Lady]

132. Watch out, DorkTV... We yuppie elderly are watching you.

I just turned 69 and you can be sure there are opportunities for those of us in reTURNment (that means returning to doing something) -- to do a lot of wonderful new things.

For example, here is my new volunteer position, helping mentally and physically disabled people through therapeutic hippotherapy. No, we don't use hippos (!). "Hippo" is the Greek work for "horse":

http://www.forwardstride.org



Many of us are living way beyond age 65. By the way, the Social Security age is increasing every year, which reflects the fact that people are living longer and having useful years way beyond what you might imagine.

How old is Senator Byrd?

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Lerkfish]

4. not really sure you can handle the truth if you still think she can win.

:shrug:

[msallied]

5. Imagine America wanting to move on from the circus we've been having for months.

He has the delegates needed to clinch the nomination and that he did. If Hillary had reached the magic number, do you really think the media would be any different?

[sendero]

6. Get a grip.

.... and get a life. For god's sake.

[azmouse]

7. Give it up.

It's really over.

[Guava Jelly]

8. It IS over

:hug:

[BuelahWitch]

77. You are such a kind man

I mean it! No snark, very sweet. Kudos to you GoPsUx! :hi:

[Guava Jelly]

86. Thank you

Being nice in gd:p isn't the easiest thing to be. But I try to. I have failed in the past I must admit.(I am human)
:hi:

[Gore1FL]

9. Pledged delegates don't vote until the convention either.

It doesn't make it any less over than it is now,or was after WI.

[roguevalley]

92. short of a meteor landing on his house, this is over. she seems

to be the only person around who is not aware that no one is going to leave him for her. Not now, not then.

[puerco-bellies]

10. Fold up your tents, you fought the good fight, but it is over.

I watched Kucinich, then Edwards, and now Hillary fall to the wayside. So be it. Now to November, and the real battle.

[TexasObserver]

11. pffttt ... Yes, it is over.

Turn out the lights at the Hillary campaign. It's over.

[DevonRex]

12. It's over dear. nt

[doublethink]

13. ........

[LeftyMom]

76. You win one series of tubes.

Great job!

[VeraAgnes]

82. That is a very clear visual message you posted ....

I got the point. :rofl:

[doublethink]

128. Good .... here's a big hug to you for getting the point VeraAgnes .....

:hug: Peace. :)

[KittyWampus]

14. Turn off the computer and stay off DU. You need time to adjust. Plant some flowers

go for walks, read a book.

[Peacetrain]

56. Very Good Advice

:)..

[helderheid]

15. Ouch.

:hug:

[babylonsister]

16. Just...wow. Do you own a TV? nt

[BlueJac]

17. Chill out, it is over and you can not face it.

Were you in that utube video?

[newmajority]

18. Yes, it is over.

If you're a Hillary supporter, I'm sorry for your loss. If you're a Hillbot, I'm not.

[The Magistrate]

19. It Is Over, Ma'am

The at large delegates who have pledged to Sen. Obama, and will pledge to him over the next several days, are not going to change their minds.

[VeraAgnes]

84. I trust your opinion

above all the rest.:loveya:

[EFerrari]

20. Okay.

[Shakespeare]

21. Yes, it is over.

And this is a very proud day for our country--I hope you'll join us in the celebration.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

22. Bless your heart.

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. Here is your TOON!

[woolldog]

24. Reminds me of that Gilligan's island episode where

they come across those Japanese soldiers who are still fighting the war 30 years after WWII.

[Junkdrawer]

30. Oct, 15th, 2008 - Hillary Clinton calls a press conference....

"It was a tough decision, but after conferring with my advisers, I have decided to suspend my campaign for the Presidency of the United States as of this date. I reserve my right, however, to activate my campaign if circumstances dictate."

[LSparkle]

25. You know, there is a REALITY out there ... it's not all "media perception"

You can stay in your own "faith-based universe" if you like, but
please DON'T tell those of us in the "reality-based community"
to stay stuck with you.

[goodhue]

27. denial

is a river in egypt

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. It is over by any metric you try

on to the GE

I have been on GE mode for two weeks already, and as an EDWARDS supporter, who voted for Edwards, I know it is hard

But time to fall in

[leftofcool]

29. Obam hasn't won anything until August

If he comes out tonight and declares himself a winner, he may get a big surprise in August

[Brundle_Fly]

37. you make a really good point.

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. You guys are actually willing to do that.... hand the victory to McCain that is

WOW, just WOW!

It is over, when the SDs come out and state who they will vote for, PUBLICLY, they rarely change... the Virgin Island SD notwithstanding

[VeraAgnes]

62. August is the Democratic Convention and

The General Election is in November 08....so I think you got your events crossed-up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. No, I just can do math, and so can everybody else

Barack Obama is the PRESUMPTIVE Nominee for the Presidency from the Democratic Party

John McCain is the PRESUMPTIVE nominee of the RNC

And the only way I can read the threat to take it to the convention is to have a floor fight

Given the HISTORY of floor fights, you guys are handing the keys of the WH to one John McCain

[dana_b]

50. the media has already come out and declared him the winner.

they beat him to the punch.

[azmouse]

51. ...

[roguevalley]

95. what would we do without kitty pictures. :)

[roguevalley]

93. only in your dreams, my friend. it is over and no one is going to

back out now.

[Yael]

31. It is over. The party is not going to self destruct for Hillary's sake.

Sorry. My guy (Edwards) didn't win -- and I know how that feels.

:hug:

[apocalypsehow]

IT. IS. FINISHED. Get over it.

:cry:

[JVS]

32. When the story has been read to the end, it is customary to close the book

[Patsy Stone]

33. Please, stop.

[ronnykmarshall]

55. HOLY FUCK!!!!!!

:spray:

:rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

71. Sweetie!

It's a historic night. I'm sorry it wasn't Hillary. :hug:

[ronnykmarshall]

74. I love you Pats!

And by the way, I've known you longer than your daughter and whatever you do is ok with me. Can a borrow your car?

[Patsy Stone]

81. Alright

But then lunch and Harvey Nicks, okay? :toast:

[grantcart]

57. lol

[LowerManhattanite]

68. Okay...

That is one of the funniest attached pics I've ever seen! LOL!

[d_b]

87. lol

never gets old

[roguevalley]

96. damn, that woman cracks me up . thank you for that.

[Blue-Jay]

34. Somebody needs a hug....

:hug:

There, there....

[Kaylee]

35. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....HELL NO!

:evilgrin: :silly:

[VolcanoJen]

36. Actually, it *is* over. More *over* than even I expected at this hour.

Please, spare us this nonsense and allow Obama and his supporters to celebrate what is duly ours tonight.

It is not the MSM's fault that the supers chose to open the floodgates and swim to Obama today. It's just the way it went down. But it is over. Obama will hit the magic number tonight, and Hillary simply cannot.

This kind of talk is simply embarrassing at this hour.

[Bright Eyes]

38. It's over.

She lost. Let it go.

[Poll_Blind]

40. Vera, we aren't on different teams anymore. Just a different coach.

  Same stadium, same game, same adversaries.

  We'll get there.

PB

[ronnykmarshall]

41. Vera ...

I am probably one of the biggest Hillary supporters here. My heart is breaking tonight. I've been insulted, hurt, told to go to hell, get out of the way .... but I know what's going to happen tonight. History. History is going to be made tonight. Yeah, it's going to take me some time to heal from this. But I know Obama will get the nomination tonight. Jump on the bandwagon? Well, my legs are very tired right now. But they will heal. Right now I just want to see my girl on TV and send out love to her after this long race.

[Shakespeare]

61. As always, you are a total class act.

I'm sorry for what you're feeling tonight--I went through it with Edwards, and I know it's magnified a hundredfold for you with Hillary.

We'll keep the bandwagon idling until you're ready. :pals:

[ronnykmarshall]

70. OK baby!

And when I get on, can we run over Perez Hilton?

[roguevalley]

100. oh god. I will lend you my car.

[Shakespeare]

117. Absolutely!!!

:loveya:

[roguevalley]

99. Dukakis, Carter, Gore, Edwards, Clark, Clark, and Clark. We all

know this feeling but we all go on. that is what we do. join us, vera and all others. you know it will be better when the dickhead is out of office and our party has the congress and white house. it will be better.

[puerco-bellies]

65. Hi ronnykmarshall

Good seeing you posting. Sorry your candidate did not get the nod. I was hoping against hope the Dennis would get the nomination, how delusional is that?!?

[Life Long Dem]

42. WHAT WAS THAT!!!

GO OBAMA!!

:bounce::party::bounce: :bounce::party::bounce: :bounce::party::bounce:

[Ikonoklast]

43. I happen to agree, it's not over

It's so far past over it's in the area of an absolute dead solid certainty that you could go to a bank and borrow against it using it as collateral.

[AZBlue]

44. Oh dear.

[berni_mccoy]

45. What you don't realize is that they've been withholding information about SDs that would announce

today and tonight. I'm sorry, but it's over.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

46. Honestly, turn off the tubes and take a break...come back in a few days and it'll

all be ok, seriously.

[Bread and Circus]

47. There's a point where a feisty fighter becomes a sore loser...

[sniffa]

48. So, is Hillary that much of a lunatic dead-ender as some of her supporters?

That's the kind of VP material our country needs!

[DogPoundPup]

49. Where is her campaign $$$$ coming from?

Republicans?

[AllentownJake]

52. I'm sorry

It is over. It had to end sometime. Please take sometime and come back.

[qazplm]

53. It is over.

done. finished. finito. Clinton is not going to win. She has lost. She is number two in a two person race.

[Stinky The Clown]

58. Please don't have any more coffee ........

..... seriously ..... that would be best ......

[zulchzulu]

59. The Earth is flat if you've never personally been all the way around it

I see your point.

:crazy:

[Name removed]

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[lynne]

63. I read the Clinton campaign statement, too, and I think she might take it to the convention. -

- The SuperDelegate votes could swing three ways to Sunday between now and the convention and I would not be surprised if Hillary uses the time between now and then to try to change some SuperMinds. Her campaign is saying one thing and the media is saying another - no shock there. Guess we'll all find out soon enough but I'm not counting her out until I hear it out of her mouth.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. Her campaign is actually behaving in a standard way

they will fight and deny until five seconds before she concedes.

Not my first rodeo.... even though I am paying attention to this even closer than four years ago

And four years ago it HURT when Dean dropped... this year, chin up, move on first when Dennis dropped and later Edwards

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. The Titanic didn't really sink! The Hindenburg didn't really blow up! Elvis isn't really dead!

Despite what the media has told us all these years!

[Name removed]

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[grantcart]

69. Vera it is my privledge to introduce you to Shoichi Yokoi

Please turn off your TV, pretend it doesn't exist anymore

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/hankmcintyre/japan_survival.html&h=246&w=201&sz=21&hl=en&start=22&um=1&tbnid=Nha2BBOI4CpysM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJapanese%2Bfighter%2B%2Bstraggler%2Blong%2Btime%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
Sgt. Shoichi Yokoi, a Japanese imperial army straggler who lived in the jungles of Guam for 28 years after World War II ended, died at 5:07 pm Monday Sept 22, 1997 of heart failure at JR Tokai General Hospital in Nagoya Japan. He was 82. Yokoi lived in a tunnel-like, underground cave in a bamboo grove until Jan 24, 1972, when he was discovered near the Talofofo River by hunters. Yokoi, who had been a tailor's apprentice before being drafted in 1941, made clothing from the fibers of wild hibiscus plants and survived on a diet of coconuts, breadfruit, papayas, snails, eels and rats. "We Japanese soldiers were told to prefer death to the disgrace of getting captured alive," Yokoi said in 1972. "The only thing that gave me the strength and will to survive was my faith in myself and that as a soldier of Japan, it was not a disgrace to continue on living," Yokoi said in 1986. No one in the history of humanity, except stragglers later discovered in Philippines, has equaled his record. Few have struggled with loneliness, fear, and self for as long as twenty-eight years.



Yokoi traveled around Japan giving lectures on survival topics and even starred in television special, "Yokoi and the Seven Beauties," in which he taught Japanese women about the art of survival. He ran unsuccessfully for the House of Councillors - Parliament's upper house - in 1974.



maybe after a few years you can run for public office too!

[saltpoint]

127. : )

:thumbsup: :hi: :bluebox: :bluebox: :bluebox: :bluebox: :bluebox: :bluebox: :bluebox:

[Blarch]

75. LOL.

I gave this crazy post the 5th rec ...

It's just that good. :crazy:

[LucyParsons]

79. 2008:

[JeffR]

85. Let me say this in the nicest possible way:

Please put a sock in it. Thank you.

Oh, and you might want to study basic math.

[Generic Brad]

88. Then someone better notify the thousands of people lining the streets of St Paul tonight

The Excel Energy Center is filled beyond capacity. They apparently think this race is over and they are lined up for 12 blocks along 7th street in the hopes of seeing the next president's motorcade going by.

Should I step outside and break your news to them?

[Orsino]

89. Moving the goal posts out into the parking lot. n/t

[kdmorris]

90. Were you one of the ones that thought FL and MI "should count"?

Because letting the Superdelegates decide this pretty much puts everyone's vote right out the door.

[Haole Girl]

97. The numbers don't lie. nt

[Genevieve]

98. This is NOT propaganda.

She lost.
He won.

It's over.

[goletian]

101. uh... yes it is. sorry, mate.

[AspenRose]

102. I'm sorry.

:hug:

[ballsalicious]

103. please go out and get yourself a pint of ice cream...

...that's what I do everytime I start loosing my mind!

[suston96]

104. OP is correct. The fat guy at the convention calls the roll and then counts the votes....

...by the delegates both pledged and superdelegates.

That will be after August 25 at Denver.

Sorry, but them is the rules. And you gotta go by the rules.

[mdmc]

105. HRC can stay in and pray for an rfk or gary hart event

Or she can join the team.

It will be hard to do both...

[mindfulNJ]

106. oh no...

:banghead:

[NC_Nurse]

107. If she stays in at this point she will relegate herself to party pariah.

[anonymeme]

108. Thank You, VeraAgnes...

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings and I ain't singin' yet!

[Genevieve]

126. um, it's over. No matter what Hillary tells you.

She lost - She's done.

[saltpoint]

109. This is how it works.

Two teams suit up for the ballgame.

They play 9 innings.

At the end of the 9 innings, the scoreboard posts which of the two teams has the most runs.

The one with the highest number of runs wins.

Then everyone goes in to take a shower, dresses in their street duds, and heads on home.

[baldguy]

110. Who are the 220 delegates who are going to switch?

Unless you have adequately sourced information about a major super delegate defection to Clinton underway, I suggest that you forget about this fantasy & join the Democratic Party.

[burythehatchet]

111. Listen EthelGertrude, why don't you and RitaAlice just leave us alone for a night

[ChairmanAgnostic]

112. WHAT POSITIVE MESSAGE? HIllary Positive? that will be the day.

[Seabiscuit]

113. I've been scratching my head over the same problem for days now... ever since

the RBC meeting this weekend, the MSM has been pulling this shit.

They're improperly and unforgiveably adding over 300 Super Delegates to Obama's pledged delegates and are now lying at the tops of their voices claiming Obama just "clinched" the nomination.

I was thinking of starting a thread about this travesty myself, but was glad you saved me the trouble.

The MSM has been trumpeting this outrageous lie for days now as a form of voter deceit and disenfranchisement - attempting to dupe Clinton voters in Montana and South Dakota into staying home so that Obama can win those two states.

And the DNC and party bosses are complicit in this duplicity with the Republican controlled MSM.

I've never been as disgusted with our party as I am today.

I hope Hillary has the sense to ignore this insanity, take the race to the convention, and win it all.

[clevbot]

114. are you serious?

[Genevieve]

123. i think some of Hillary's supporters

a bit delusional.

[ecdab]

135. SB is an Obama hater, not a Hillary supporter. Just so you know.

[smiley_glad_hands]

130. Denial is not a river in Egypt. eom

[harun]

115. You have seven days to get back to reality, I suggest you start walking (n/t)

[lynne]

116. Congrats, Vera, your gut feeling was 100% right and you hit the nail on the head.

The outcome may be inevitable but it's not happening today, that's for sure.

[HuffleClaw]

118. this entire circus sideshow has been a huge case of media manipulation from the beginning

the 'liberal media' (who spent YEARS crucifying clinton and then spent YEARS ignoring the many crimes of the bush administration) set this sideshow up months ago, presenting the public with an exclusive 'obmama vs. hillary' show to the exclusion of better qualified candidates and have successfully divided the democratic party into two warring camps. at this point mccain is guaranteed a win in november.

[kdpeters]

119. It is SO over!!

We have a nominee. This is not going to the convention. The fight now is with McCain and the Republicans.

[kwenu]

120. No delegate votes of ANY kind count until the convention. Are you on drugs?

[Moloch]

121. Its over. You're just deluding yourself.

Obama is the Democratic nominee and will be the next president. Its time for you to fall into line.

[dorktv]

122. Just because you are accurate, does not mean you are right.

[Colobo]

125. It's over, Vera.

[smiley_glad_hands]

129. I don't think she will be ALLOWED to take it to the convention.

It's over. Move on.

[newmajority]

133. Vera...Vera.... what has become of you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PR3Dp75MVM

[Mimosa]

134. You can pipe down now, VA> Our presumptive nominee is Barack Obama

I mean this is the nicest way, sweetheart. Hillary may be delusional, you don't have to follow suit. LOL

Be happy that our nexy president will be aan energetic caring smart democrat.

[AtomicKitten]

137. You must not have gotten the memo. Barack won.

[onenote]

138. do you object when the media declares someone president on election day

even though the electoral college won't actually cast their ballots for weeks? After all, the members of the electoral college are not bound to vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in their state. (In around half of the states there are potential consequences for being a "faithless elector" but the vote as cast still stands; only two states have laws rendering a nonconforming electoral college vote invalid).