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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:48 PM
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On this last day, I want to express my gratitude to Senator Clinton.
Edited re-posting of Journal essay dated May 8: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/WilliamPitt/456

Screw the hand-wringers and the always-wrong punditry who want it to be damaging so they can be buzzards as usual. Their estimates of how damaging this race has been to the Democrats does not jibe with the numbers:

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/unity_1.php

This has been one of the better things to happen in America in a long time. Both candidates deserve our gratitude, but Clinton moreso for staying in even after the numbers ran out of spinning space.

Think about it.

1. When was the last time you can remember so many people, so many usual non-voters, so many new voters, so many Black and Hispanic voters whose absence from the polls tends to directly affect their lives, almost always to their deficit, with much more immediacy than in other blocs of voters.

That right there is a coalition, shades of what Bobby Kennedy and later George McGovern were trying to pull together. Bobby had it, and maybe they laid him low exactly because he had it. McGovern tried, and did really well considering what he was up against in his own party. The party powers (explained by Hunter Thompson as "the Meany, Daley, Humphrey axis") fought him tooth and nail all the way to the convention, where he scrambled their eggs using the new convention rules he had written with his own hand after the '68 debacle (at the behest of M-D-H, ironically enough).

The Bobby/George (sorta Teddy) coalition still exists, and pretty much has to deal with the same shit their predecessors went through 36 years ago: shitass war, bastard president, fucked economy, contempt and violence from cops (less so now, but a groom did just take a pound of lead to his grave from four shooter cops who were declared guiltless...just sayin') and a general sense that rules don't apply to the political leadership, and the whole promise behind the idea of America looked a lot like some campy bullshit from the 50's. Thus began the 70s.

And:

2. I just LOVE that all these back-of-the-list states get a chance to decide the fate of the planet. Seriously. Remember last time in '04, all the bitching about so many states not getting to be involved after Super Tuesday. Well, be careful what you wish for. But it's magnificent. Give a citizen a shovel, tell them their digging will really make a difference and means they are totally involved, and they'll dig deep enough to be stopped by granite bedrock.

Indiana changed history. NC did, too. West Virginia was next to be the center of the world, then Kentucky and Oregon...and the last to come are Montana and South Dakota...freakin' what? I don't think those states have ever swung electoral weight. Now they do. All of them bursting with Democratic voter interest, they're in this thing for real, they have two prime super-sharp rumble-ready yet historically distinctive candidates to follow. State after state has reported primary voters making choices in the booth, because they couldn't decide between this pair of ass-kickers, and when our voters are charged up to vote like they have been since February, when turnout and new voters skyrocket, we always always always win.

If this swings right in November, that enthusiasm might take root and stay a while...another midterm, a re-elected president...etc...

Democracy will be better for this campaign. I am grateful to Senator Clinton for staying in this long, though she is not my choice. Her staying in has given millions of Americans a piece of the best part of this national idea, which many had lost long ago in resigned surrender to the fact of their electoral irrelevance. She gave them back their participation and truest way to be a patriot actively involved to move things toward that better possibility we all know can be attained.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that very ballot-borne blessing to voters, real involvement creating genuine influence, is maybe some part of the unspoken iron that has kept her on that bastard road. If so, she has done an amazing service to the country. If it is merely a consequence shaped by other motives, and not even a hidden idea anywhere in the campaign braintrust, well, it happened anyway, and she's pretty awesome for it, even by accident.

When Black voters turn out in monolithic numbers in every state (which they would most likely do for either candidate), it will checkmate the bloc of GOP base voters. Young voters, new voters, pissed Democrats, independents who want to shake shit up, and a large majority of erstwhile Clinton voters despite the volume of "no way" threats should Obama win through. They'll vote, most of them...and if only half vote, the slack will be picked up by a lot of folks on the Left who don't want McCain, and who see the larger social and historical context involved in a Black man becoming president.

It cannot be avoided, and if it is achieved, we will be just a little bit better as a nation for it. Ditto on many equally important yet different social/historical levels if Clinton wins through. The descendants of less equal Americans whose lineage has ancestors who lived fettered and powerless, literally and figuratively. Society, religious fundamentalism and black-letter law saw them as dumb beasts unfit to occupy the same space as decent people, or as petticoated chattel denied books and education and doomed to the empty existence of an inanimate decoration who could breed, had no legal defense against abuse, and usually kept quiet. Women have enjoyed the right to vote for less than 100 years, Black people less than 50, generally speaking. Think about that, and then consider those two again.

Yeah, this is good shit. This is big.

And when all that enthusiasm gets released come November (having been bottled since the primary vote they cast which shook the pillars of the Earth), when Black voters and young voters and independents combine with that large swath of Dem voters from our base (union members, teachers, smart people who don't resent paying taxes because they like roads and schools and garbage getting piked up and stuff) combine with the activist base who ALWAYS love to vote

...I do believe...

...we're gonna blow the fucking doors off McCain's bullshit bus tour. And pick up Senate seats, and House seats.

No promises, no sure thing, anything can happen and we're up against ghouls in blue suits who have power beyond reason or the protection of law. But when voters care, they can stand up next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of their hand.

Behold this slightly improved democracy, new voters, psyched voters, and what was a hard choice between candidates. History made no matter what.

Look out, Johnny. Here we come.

:toast:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:51 PM
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1. If that's the yglesias article I think it is, McCain should be terrified....
that he's running a dead heat with the Democrats in such "disarray".
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:08 PM
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8. Clearly we can beat him while at our worst!
The GOP begged for, and got, the disarray. It sure wasn't enough to let McCain sneak through though!
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:56 PM
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2. Bravo, my dear Will........BRAVO!
Not even my beloved NanceGreggs will say it better or more eloquently than you have here, today!

Perfect. Fucking perfect.

K&R, of course, with pleasure.

:toast:

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:04 PM
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4. Fucking perfect!
I love it when you swear, Peggy!

:hug:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:09 PM
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10. (snarfle)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:15 PM
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12. I loves me a winsome juxtaposition...
It's uber freaky to see that very nice lady say... fuck... OOOh!!! Shocking. I love shocking! LOL!!!


I wasn't getting all gay for her or anything:) You stinker! But if I were to go all gay... Peggy would be killer! Nothing more sexy than a killer sense of humor!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:19 PM
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13. Whoa...
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 05:19 PM by BlooInBloo
I didn't realize one could read so much into one little snarfle!

:rofl:

But yah - it's teh awesome to see Peggy get a little gravely! :rofl:


EDIT: And I wonder *why* exactly the word "winsome" is so sexy?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:39 PM
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21. Is it sexy?
Haha! I'm usually the one who complains to others about reading too much into something! :rofl:

Too much time spent here, methinks!

Juxtaposition is probably sexier than winsome... just saying.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:07 PM
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26. mmm.... winsome juxtapositions....
:rofl:
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:02 PM
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3. Absolutely!
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:05 PM
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5. dupe
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 05:06 PM by CountAllVotes
dupicate post sorry
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:05 PM
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6. good job Will Pitt!
and yeah, I'm with you alright.

Never, and I mean never underestimate the will of the American people! :toast:

:kick: & recommend!!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:06 PM
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7. Good stuff, Will
Join me and my not-so-Sensible friend and get shit faced! Woot!

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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:08 PM
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9. Thank you. This post is exactly what I needed.
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 05:08 PM by BlueStateGirl
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:10 PM
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11. McCain is going to get beat worse than a narc at a biker rally.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:20 PM
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14. Thank You Sen. Clinton.
Obama is stronger and more confident due to your strength.

Thank you, Hillary and her supporters!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:24 PM
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16. We are the face of America
Our party chose between an African American man and a woman. Either one would have been an historic first, and together they demonstrate that the Democratic Party is the party of the people, all of the people, the party of inclusion, the party of tolerance, the party that works for all of us rather than pitting us one against the other.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:24 PM
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17. psst....this would have been just as historic and exciting without her
just saying...
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:27 PM
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18. Maybe welcome to Democracy after all. I'm sorry the 'instant gratificationists' here...
didn't get their way boo-boo :cry: Maybe it's good to not get your way from time to time, if only to keep in touch with the rest of America.

I find blow-out Super Bowl games boring too. But with HRC within, at last glance, some 100 delegates...it isn't possible to say she's run a "miserable campaign", as many here routinely/often opine. She has millions upon millions of supporters in her corner.

It's not a bad day for Democracy and The Democratic Party...it's a good day, so get happy :)
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:28 PM
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19. Fine essay. Especially the part about ALL the states and territories participating - well, almost..
I admit to having been around long enough to realize what an incredible primary this has been compared to the flimsy nominating conventions and political hackeries that picked candidates in the past.

This one had its flaws, but just look at the numbers of the participants. New Democrats have their work cut out for them. Make the next one better. Register more voters.

Get them to the polls and make sure that it is always the voters that control their elections and not the political hacks who have a stranglehold on the party machinery.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:38 PM
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20. K & R, WilliamPitt -- nicely done!
Sen. Claire McCaskill just did a beautiful job discussing the two candidates. Very impressive, very conciliatory. Barack and Hillary will sit down and decide about a unity ticket.

I'm sorry we missed getting together last weekend, and look forward to possibly resetting our face-to-face in person another time!

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:51 PM
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23. KnR Will, KnR. That's so inspirational...
...that I couldn't pick an appropriate Smilie!

Hekate


:7 :patriot: :applause: :yourock: :loveya: :toast:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:59 PM
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24. Hillary Clinton's gift to Obama - Sen. Obama will never be considered an Affirmative Action Nominee
The idea is unthinkable and Senator Clinton has made it so.

If she had pulled out after Super Tuesday and there would have been a ride we would have missed all of the operational advantages you speak of.

The greatest contribution is that there will not be a whispering campaign "he only got it because they had to give it to the Black guy".

That is what would have happened the whispering - "He couldn't have really won it if they went all out".

They went all out.

They dug and scrapped and fought dirty and ran their daughter into the ground. It was two against one.

They spent $ 20 million that they didn't have.

They threw the kitchen sink. They went to Lowes and bought some sinks. The talked to the guys from Jersey and had them hijack a trailer full of sinks.


He fought them back one by one and the last month he fought without surrogates.


I had a similar post where I listed all of the great things that happened - campaigns and volunteers etc etc but this is her greatest gift:



SENATOR OBAMA EARNED THIS NOMINATION



That wasn't your intention but no one can ever say he got it cheap, or soft or he cheated or didn't work his brains out.

They can never say he hasn't had a tough campaign. They can't say he can't close the deal. He took on the machine and he defeated it.

No gift.


HE DID IT

AND BECAUSE OF THAT

YES WE CAN



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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:03 PM
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25. Wow!
Wish I could nominate this post.

Thank you.

YES WE CAN

:patriot:
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:15 PM
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27. I agee!! As an Obama supporter who has some real concerns about Hillary - I still very much agree!!
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 06:18 PM by Douglas Carpenter
:thumbsup:
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:59 PM
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28. great missive William Pitt!! We are living history, moment by moment now
this is going to be so exciting, just you wait and see. Yes, good on all who are now registered to vote, who care enough to change our country, move forward and kick the bums out after our November.


A helluva lot of hard work ahead but man oh man, will it ever be worth it.
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:02 PM
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29. Right until she is trying to publicly force Obama to make a bad decision.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:37 PM
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30. .
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:07 PM
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31. One day you attack Hillary, the next day you praise her....
What a flip-flopper.

You should make up your mind Celtics lose in six fan.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:21 PM
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32. It does cause "whip saw" ...but Will's heart is in the right place...so go with him on this...
Thanks for the Middle..Will. It's good to see here. Congrats to BOTH CANDIDATES...They took it to ALL THE STATES! It's been a long time coming that we had a "50 State Strategy"...and I thank Dr. Dean for that! I thank all the activists on DU and elsewhere...the "Liberal Keyboard Warriors" who worked night and day for seven years and MORE to achieve this.

I think your post is "spot on" even if you do "flip flop" but then "real thinkers" tend to "change opinions" from time to time..whereas the RW'ers go from cradle to grave with the same thoughts in their brain. The ability to change is evolution. Evolution is about SURVIVING.

:toast: have a few on me!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:46 PM
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38. I'd like to see links to my attacks on Hillary
if any are available.

:)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:39 PM
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36. I attacked her reps at the hearing
RIF.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:26 PM
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33. Pathetic Pitt..you made your feelings toward Clinton clear a long time ago.
NOW that candidate is a hero to you? Yeah right.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:39 PM
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35. Proof?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:38 PM
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41. LoL! Very funny. When you need a researcher, antagonize the 20 somethings on the board
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 10:38 PM by MichiganVote
with an ax to grind.

In the meantime...........

May 31, "...I haven't had any really hard feelings for the Clinton team until now;

May 31, "FUCK THESE PEOPLE

May 22, "I am an Obama person who would have been happy with either (but if I was answering the thread, I'd say "Obama", just fyi), I know there are lots of Obama people here, and I know there are lots of Clinton people here.

May 21, "She is only still campaigning because a) It allows her to continue fundraising so she can try to ameliorate the $31 million hole she's in; and, b) To keep at bay any sense that she and her crew have any interest in relinquishing party control.

May 21, "Clinton and her people are basically in charge of the party on any number of levels.."

May 16, "Obama crew: Don't go whomping on Clinton supporters if you're for Obama and think you've got it made and have some grudges to settle.

May 16, "Clinton crew: thank you for the service you have given your country, and fuck anyone who says otherwise. (I'm guessin' that means you Pitt)


So there you go, minor as they are...you're no less schizo partisan than the rest of the people of this board or of America. Welcome to average citizenship.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:28 PM
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34. BTW...you might like this read from Josh Marshall...on BILL a remembrance:
"BILL" from Josh Marshall...."I Loved the Man" maybe Miller and Faulkner could have written it...

Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 07:54 PM by KoKo01



I'd of course seen Mayhill Fowler's piece on Bill Clinton going after Todd Purdum in Huffpo. But I hadn't seen this nugget buried down in the transcript, which TPM Reader LD flagged for me ...

They had all these people standing up in this church cheering, calling Hillary a white racist, and he didn't do anything about it. The first day he said 'Ah, ah, ah well.' Because that's what they do-- he gets other people to slime her. So then they saw the movie they thought this is a great ad for John McCain-- maybe I better quit the church. It's all politics.

Like so many things I've seen from Bill this cycle, I think I just pass the punch of this passage on without comment.

But there's one subnugget of this nugget that grabbed my attention. I think the most revealing thing about this quote is that Bill refers to the youtube viral video of Rev. Pfleger as "the movie." In a sense, of course, this is just a triviality of word choice; he's a little out of touch with the lingo. But for me -- maybe just the personal prism through which I see the drama -- it communicates the larger truth: that Bill is a man out of his time, out of his element, which is something painful to watch and must be a unique agony for him to experience.

Bill Clinton was on so many levels the master of the politics of the 1980s and 1990s, the magic with words and connection with people, intuitively sizing up the tempo and undercurrents of the political moment. Hate him or love him, I think anybody with a feel for politics knew this. And I loved him.

I don't mean to write his epitaph. He's obviously got the same shrewdness and political canniness on many levels. But again and again through this cycle, in little ways and big, he's shown he's not quite in sync with this political era, doesn't quite grasp the new mechanics -- both the ideological texture and the nuts and bolts of the networked news cycle. Attacks have backfired. And while Clinton's emotions and impulsiveness have always been key to his character and political sensibility, whereas in the past it was him riding the tiger of his outsized personality and passions, now it's the tiger riding him.

If you step back from the carnage and electricity of this nomination battle, you see a vast drama that compares in its own way with any other in modern American history. And part of that shows you that it's on the Democrats' side of the aisle today that the questions roiling the country are being hashed out and decided. But if I were a novelist, it's not Obama or Hillary but Bill, in the current moment, who would fire my imagination. Perhaps some hybrid of Arthur Miller and William Faulkner, fresh from the cloning laboratories, could put it all together on paper. The incandescent rage, the political master just out of touch with the moment. The level of his investment in Hillary's campaign (on any number of novel-bearing levels) is palpable and not fully explained by anything as mundane as the hunger for power or as simple as guilt. And yet the circumstances of the race have forced him to stand just off-stage, where he's close enough to interfere but not to control or direct. It must be a unique kind of hell for him.

--Josh Marshall

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198284.php
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:44 PM
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37. Hear, hear!
A toast to Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea!

:toast:

Look out, McSame! IT IS ON!!!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:52 PM
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39. Woops. Looks Like Clinton EFFED YOU on this Will. Introduced as "The Next President" Crowd chanting
DENVER DENVER DENVER

She's going to consult supporters on how to move forward.

Unfreakingbelievable.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:07 PM
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40. Who are you? Sybil?
And which personality are you today? The nice one?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 12:17 PM
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42. I almost didn't read it again, as I assumed it would be minor editing,
and while it is a fabulous piece, I'm not on DU enough these days to reread, even if it is from one of our best writers. I'm glad I wasn't awake enough to follow through with that. That wasn't an edit, it was a rewrite. How in the world does one rewrite one of the best articles of their lives and make it better? That was risky. Thanks for risking it - it worked.

You know the one thing I'm sad about? After all the shit of all these years of these crapweasels in the White House, I would like to pound someone long and hard and with John McSame choosing to run as GWB, season three, he is the perfect target to pound on as hard and as long as I want, except that really, he'll be glue in less than two months and then, well, it just wouldn't be seemly. I almost wish we had our candidate up against a fairly good candidate but there weren't any from the other side of the aisle this year and with McSame's decision to tie himself to the Titanic, I really don't think this is going to be nearly as nasty and cathartic as I would like it to be.

Is there any chance that Snotty McClellens book, "I Don't Want To Be Anyone's Bitch so I'm Shopping For Being a State's Witness." will garner an impeachment of Cheney? At least there, I could get out some of this, I want to beat the living crap out of someone feelings a chance to see light.

I mean, if I can't have a long bloodying of McCain, I would settle for an impeachment of Darth Cheney.

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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:01 PM
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43. Thank you for you common sense approach
to the nomination. You will get flamed by the super intellegent people on this forum. They think they are anyway. I just hope that Sen. Obama doesn't take any advice from most of the people on GD-P. If you didn't have GD I would never come near this forum.
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