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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:47 PM
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Maddow: "She can't promise to deliver them after today, her leverage is zero compared to yesterday."
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 04:51 PM by WA98296
I believe it. The rest is spin.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:48 PM
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1. context, please
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:49 PM
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4. her voters, other than a small core of "supersupporters"
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:51 PM
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11. I bet her supersupporters make up about 1% of her 17 million votes
Not significant. 16.9 million of them will move to our nominee without a problem.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:54 PM
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14. 1% is generous. I'd be surprised if they numbered more than 5000 nationwide.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:57 PM
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19. Exactly! all this talk of Hillary having 17M voters is just absurd!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:48 PM
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2. Is she on MSNBC now?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:48 PM
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3. Exactly
That was an interesting exchange.

I think Hill's already shown herself to be a bit of a bully, and I bet Obama tells her where to stick it.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:49 PM
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5. And what happened yesterday? Thanks. nt
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:52 PM
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13. Sorry, typo...Maddow said, HRC's leverage gone today "compared to yesterday"
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:54 PM
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16. Thanks. nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:49 PM
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6. That was pretty out of the blue - why after yesterday??
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:49 PM
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7. also
Pat: She has 17 million supporters, most of whom are fanatically loyal!
Rachel: There's no such thing as "17 million fanatics".
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:50 PM
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10. She's right about that - at least 90% will come around.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:50 PM
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8. I think what she meant is, now that Obama has won it
Clinton no longer has leverage since everyone sees it as over and he's the winner.

It was shocking but that's what I thought she meant.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:50 PM
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9. On Hardball, just now, in reference to HRC pressuring herself onto the ticket
Leverage = voters. She can not guarantee delivery any voters.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:52 PM
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12. I think Rachel was convinced it was going to the convention until today
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:54 PM
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15. Has she revealed why she has changed her mind?
Was it what happened last weekend or the fact that Obama will pass 2118 today?
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:54 PM
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17. I don't know that Rachel
is convinced that it's not. I'm not either. When Clinton endorsed Obama...then I'll believe it.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:57 PM
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20. well, I think that's she a little bit less worried about it now
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 04:58 PM by ErinBerin84
At least, that's the impression I get. She was talking about how Clinton was saying on the plane on Sunday night that superdelegates towards the number didn't really count, since they could change, while more signals are coming from her campaign that they will accept it sometime this week. But who knows, it could just be some big mind fuck before "HA! Just kidding! To Denver!"

plus, Rachel had expressed last week that the "heavy flow" of superdelegates that Obama's campaign kept hinting at had not happened, while today it really happened.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:58 PM
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22. Yeah - I'm with you. I'm not sure Rachel has changed her mind either.
Like she said (Rachel) - listen to what Hillary says. And Hillary said, in today's releases, she's going to work on convincing the delegates that she's the best choice. And she'd got until the convention to do that. :grr:

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:58 PM
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21. I'm still convinced.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:00 PM
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23. I won't be fully convinced that it's not going to the convention until it's confirmed as well
:)
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:56 PM
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18. Which is exactly why she is not needed on the ticket.
:bounce:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:01 PM
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24. I agree. At this point, Obama needs to win them over and earn their votes.
Hillary is not going to deliver these people. They appear to be loyal to HER and not the Democratic party or platform.

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