HELP!!! on hold for national talk show where they're LYING about Kerry

[buycitgo]

what's that site that clears up the cambodia story

the host read two letters from kerry about where he was, and they're KILLING him over it

also, is that episode in the book, cause they're talking about it now

listen in wlsam.com

CALL in 800-723-8289

[buycitgo]

1. please....I know it's at Kerry site

fuckers hung UP on me

[buycitgo]

2. please....phone's ringing

help

[mountainvue]

3. I just heard about this shit.

What the hell is going on?

[sandnsea]

4. Ack, I don't know

He said Christmas, as in the Christmas season. Maybe it had actually happened in January, Nixon had been elected. Regardless, is there an argument that we were venturing into Cambodia illegally anymore? That was shown to be true years ago. They had a special on a month ago about CIA and Hmong in Laos. A million people died there, when we supposedly weren't there at all. What's to debate?

[CaTeacher]

11. you said that ---

"A million people died there, when we supposedly weren't there at all. What's to debate?"

Are you saying that we (Americans) killed these Cambodian people? (actually close to TWO million died) If so can you provide a link?

Have you ever seen "The Killing Fields"? I thought that was based on the true story! If you are correct, then I have been misled--and I want to know about it!

If the Americans killed those people---then I definitely want to know about it! Please give me a link.

[sandnsea]

16. I said Laos

First of all. And a million were killed in Laos during the Vietnam war, if memory serves. It was a number I was horrified to hear, I definitely remember that. 1/3 of the country totally destroyed. Killed by both sides, seems to me. I'm doing research on something else right now. I'll try to find info on the special. It was about some CIA guys that went back to Laos to try to find some of the Hmong they had fought with. I know we had similar stuff going on in Cambodia. The Killing Fields was the Khmer Rouge and yes that's true. That was after the war though.

[CaTeacher]

18. yes--I am sorry--When I read the million deaths

I assumed that perhaps confusing it with Cambodia--because I am unaware of anywhere else in the region where people died in numbers of that magnitude.

I am fairly familiar with the Hmong, they were rebels against the communists who were supplied by the CIA as part of the war against communism. But I would be highly surprised if they are responsible for anything close to a million deaths--they were a fairly marginal group and other than the ones that have imigrated--most of them have been killed. (It is estimated that there may not even be 1000 left in their own country--although there are about 200,000 here in America).

I would be very interested in proof that they killed a million folks! Hey--if Amerika was doing so well against the communists--why would we leave? Sounds like we were winning in Laos?

[sandnsea]

20. A couple links

I'm not saying anything about the Hmong. When it comes to Vietnam, I stopped putting people into good guy and bad guy categories a long time ago. Well, except Pol Pot. And Nixon. What a complete tragedy.


"The USA conducted over 10,000 missions during the nine-year war and dropped over 1,000,000 bombs. This equated to one ton of explosives dropped for every man, woman, and child living in Laos at the time."
http://www.vagabonding.com/travelogue/cat_laos.html

This site quotes 500,000 Laotians killed.
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/vietnamgenocide/Laos.html

"The number of Cambodians who died before Pol Pot took power has been less researched than the period following. At least 1.7 million are thought to have died from execution, starvation, overwork and medical neglect by January 1979 when Vietnamese and renegade Khmer Rouge forces "liberated" the country." (Primarily after 1975)

"According to documents and research, the figures for people who died during that time <1969-75>, would be around 700,000 to 800,000," Hun Sen estimated. Some Western demographers and scholars have come up with similar estimates, placing "excess deaths" in the 6-800,000 range. But Etcheson cautions that this is a "terribly difficult question— one about which there is no scholarly consensus and not enough empirical data to resolve in any satisfactory way.
http://www.irrawaddy.org/database/2001/vol9.8/region1.html

[soothsayer]

5. this?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/12/184326/074

[joefree1]

12. How about this from that page

"On Oct 14, 1979, Kerry wrote in the Boston Herald newspaper: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

On March 27, 1986, Mr Kerry told the US Senate: "I remember Christmas of 1968, sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory . . . seared in me."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/12/184326/074

[mountainvue]

6. Supposedly there is something in his diary about

Cambodia, Nixon, 1968.

[rhubarb]

7. the definitive reference

Sorry it won't help right now, but to read about how the U.S. WAS most definitely in Cambodia, read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/081541224X/qid=1092614766/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/103-7581608-0154236?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

[burned]

8. sorry it took so long :(

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_08/004505.php

KERRY IN CAMBODIA....

"On Christmas Eve he was near Cambodia; he was around 50 miles from the Cambodian border. There's no indictment of Kerry to be made, but he was mistaken about Christmas in Cambodia," said Douglas Brinkley, who has unique access to the candidate's wartime journals.

....He said: "Kerry went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions. He had a run dropping off US Navy Seals, Green Berets and CIA guys." The missions were not armed attacks on Cambodia, said Mr Brinkley, who did not include the clandestine missions in his wartime biography of Mr Kerry, Tour of Duty.

"He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell. Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative. In a part of his journals which I didn't use he writes about discussions with CIA guys he was dropping off."

So let me get this straight. Kerry did go to Cambodia — even though that was supposedly impossible, he did take CIA guys in — even though that was supposedly absurd, and he did get a hat from one of them — even though that was supposedly a sign of mental instability. The extent of Kerry's malfeasance is that instead of doing it in December, he actually did it in January and February.

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

9. What show are you calling into? Does it stream?

?

[buycitgo]

10. you bet....here

http://www.wlsam.com/listenlive.asp#
and am on HOLD


some liar says that household employment numbers are the ones to use


I have a QUOTE from Greenspan saying the exact opposite, so I'll use that

here it is:

Economic View: Two Tales of American Jobs: ...the Federal Reserve has just thrown cold water on the household data. It concludes that the gloomy payroll data is essentially accurate and that the household survey is probably off base. "I wish I could say the household survey were the more accurate,'' Alan Greenspan, the Fed chairman, said in his testimony at a House hearing on Feb. 11. "Everything we've looked at suggests that it's the payroll data which are the series which you have to follow.''

To test the self-employment theory, the Fed adjusted the household survey by taking out all the kinds of workers who do not show up on the payroll survey - self-employed people, but also farm workers and family workers in family-run companies. Even then, Mr. Greenspan said, the discrepancy remains large. The Fed's conclusion was that the household survey's results have been inflated by overestimates of population growth. Because the household survey is a sample, the Bureau of Labor Statistics infers the total change in jobs by multiplying the ratio of employed to unemployed workers in the household survey by its estimate of the total population. If the population estimate is too high, the estimated number of jobs will also be too high.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics bases its population estimate on the 2000 census, but it updates that estimate yearly with data on births, deaths and immigration. Immigration numbers are largely guesswork, however, because so much immigration is illegal. Fed officials suspect that the immigration estimate is inflated, because it fails to reflect tighter immigration controls after Sept. 11, 2001, as well as declines caused by the economic slowdown...

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:Hr7G3J5fmVcJ:www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/000343.html+household+versus+payroll+numbers&hl=en

[buycitgo]

13. now this guy is playing the FEAR factor

saying that the dow is down cause people are stuffing their mattresses

he's the BIGGEST LIAR I've ever seen

[joefree1]

14. LOL, it's Clinton's recession, no it's Kerry's recession, no it's

... people stuffing their mattresses. Those hatriots crack me up.

[Karenina]

15. They LIE about everything.

Right up in your face KNOWING they're lying and knowing YOU know it too.
Then they sit back and smirk waiting for you to refute them. You get through, speak your piece and when you hang up THEY SIMPLY REPEAT THE LIES.
Standard. Operating. Procedure.

[sandnsea]

17. WOW!! You guys are awesome!

This is the kind of team work we need to kick Bush butt!

:toast:

[buycitgo]

19. god DAMN..first they wouldn't let me on, after holding for almost

an hour and a half!

then, my DSL wouldn't let me on for over an HOUR....

so


Thanks for the Cambodia and other stuff

they never let me on at all, so I yelled at the screener, who came on afterwards. he gave me BRUCE DUMONT's address, so I/m going to provide him some facts which contradict all the LIES he allowed to go out over his airways

here it is, if you care to email him, too.
[e-mail]

now....when I turned it on, he was talkkng about the sensitivity crap, saying that Bush only used it BEFORE the war. he didn't mention Cheney, Rumsfeld, or Franks--maybe Meyers--using it, which I think were all fairly recently. I saw that on TV. I need some help there, so I can send him verifiable links for that.

Also, he said that Kerry missed thirty eight of the 45 antiterroist meetings under Clinton. I read here that those were public; that he went to a LOT of closed door meetings. need verification on that, too.

Also....trying to remember.....enough for now.

the last guy he had on for an HOUR, spewing the most outrageous garbage about Kerry's inability to fight terrorists, his flipfloppiness being real danger, and some other horrid lies, which I'll list shortly.

can you help a brotha out, for now, though?