I'm really worried about Hillary hijacking the VP slot......

[adoraz]

I have to admit, I'm really nervous about Hillary forcing herself onto the ticket.

Aside from the fact that I don't want her anywhere near the Presidency, I sure as hell don't want to have her be the reason we lose in November.

I really feel that this is suicidal.

Yes, maybe at the moment it seems like a good idea to some for party unity, but what about all that time until November? There is going to be half a year of this shitty circus going on with Bill and Hillary saying some stupid shit in the media every day.

Look, the truth is most Hillary supporters WILL come around. I will say though, that a lot of them NEVER EVER will, and those are the racist people. Hillary being on the ticket won't change a thing for them. They will vote McCain no matter what.

Oh yeah, and lets not forget that we would have both a black man and a woman on the same ticket at the same time when neither has been done before. We already have to deal with racists in the GE, but sexists as well??

I hope he just gives her a cabinet position to satisfy her fans (at least, to try to). I don't want her to get ANYTHING, but I'd be happy if all she got was a cabinet position.

Please convince me she won't be VP everyone. Each day it is looking more likely. :(

I'm an Independent (and I usually go for Democrats), but having Hillary on the ticket would take all my enthusiasm away. I volunteer and donate a lot, but I doubt I would do that if he caves in.

Basically, in short....
1. I don't want her anywhere near the Presidency
2. More importantly, I feel that while this may be good short term, it will be suicidal long term (and thats the only thing that matters in the GE)

[casus belli]

1. I think she'd make a great Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Seriously, I think she could do awesome things with Healthcare if given the power and resources, but I'm with you. I can't get enthusiastic over her as VP.

[muryan]

4. I'm honestly warming up a lot to the idea of her being a SCOTUS justice

I think thats something that would help cement the Clinton legacy, and even help reshape it. Plus I feel like she would be a very strong voice on the court, Roberts would be the chief justice in name only.

[casus belli]

13. Interesting idea. Also...

on the more nefarious side of that proposition, it completely removes her from politics for life. :)

[cliffordu]

14. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

Great minds think alike.... :patriot:

[muryan]

19. In all seriousness, she has been a very strong voice in the senate on some issues

While she's voted on the wrong side of some very important issues, shes also been a pretty good legislator. I would just love to see the neocon reaction to seeing her nominated to SCOTUS, it would be christmas.

[SlipperySlope]

41. That seems like a strange choice...

In recent years she has been neither of:

- A practicing judge.
- A practicing attorney.
- An active legal scholar.

I don't know the history of all SCOTUS appointments, but it seems strange to pick someone who hasn't had any recent activity with the law?

Health and Human Services seems like a better fit to me.

[hughee99]

45. Don't hold your breath...

She'd have to pass confirmation, and I'm not sure that she could. After this current campaign, I'm not sure she'd be trusted as someone who looks to uphold the law as opposed to someone who would be playing politics with the SC. I think the days of someone going from elected office to the Supreme Court (like Earl Warren) are over. Regardless of the political leanings of the current court members, presidents like to at least have the appearance that their nominees are non-partisan "legal scholars", which doesn't really work with an elected official.

In this particular case, I'm not sure Obama would be willing to spend enough of his political capital on this appointment to get her in. She'd be obviously very unpopular with repukes, probably not all that popular with Dems either, and then he'd also have to overcome the fact that it would look like a political payoff.

She could probably get confirmation for a Cabinet appointment without a problem, but not to the SCOTUS.

[Cosmocat]

58. BINGO ...

No president alive could withstand the backlash that would come with nominating her ...

[billyoc]

50. Oh, the confirmation hearings!

:rofl:

[Cosmocat]

57. Three things ...

1) I say this again. Hillary Clinton will NEVER be on the Supreme Court. NEVER. The radicals on the right see the SC as the holy grail, and they see Hillary as the anti-christ. There is not an R senator alive who could vote for her, and no president alive could withstand the backlash that would go with nominating her.

2) Not a chance Hill takes a cabinet position, outside of maybe one of the top two. NOT A CHANCE she takes secretary of health, which would be a step down from being a senator on merits. But, it would put her into a terminal position that would end when the presidency ends. In the senate she has control of her career.

3) Hill will NOT force her way onto BO's ticket. I don't much like the thought, but if BO picks her it will be HIS decision. IF he does, I will defer to his wisdom on it.

[adoraz]

8. yeah and I'd be completely fine with that

[jgraz]

25. Let's make her ambassador to Bosnia

[eridani]

28. The major point here is that Obama will insist that any hearings must be open

That's where WE THE PEOPLE come in, pushing HR 676.

[shadowknows69]

54. Not if Obama lets her impose her mandate to buy health ins.

[vaberella]

2. Well did you read what Bill said about Obama today?

If so...I wouldn't worry about Hillary Clinton hijacking it. If Obama was going to offer it to her, after his comments towards Obama, that would cause a pause. He was extremely hateful and rude and implied much. The man at times caused her problems during her run for Presidency and as for VP..well todays acts speak for themselves.

Keep in mind he was angry about the Vanity Fair fiasco but thought it was fair game to attack Obama.

[adoraz]

5. I saw a short news clip on it, but I didn't hear much....

about him attacking Obama. I'll look into it, thanks.

[CoffeeCat]

10. I'll look up what he said...

I'm curious!

[slinkerwink]

3. she won't be VP

[woolldog]

6. I'm worried about it as well.

Very worried. We know he doesn't want her as VP; that's been made clear. I wonder whether he'll cave in to pressure? This is a good chance to get a better idea of what kind of President he'll be.

[Quixote1818]

7. He should tell her he is going to give her the VP slot then change his mind

after she gets out of the race.

[Critters2]

9. Yeah. That's what Mr. Integrity should do.

:eyes:

[Quixote1818]

23. If someone was "Hijacking" me into doing something

thats what I would do. You fight fire with fire.

[autorank]

30. I pickekd your name out of the posters on this thread because I'm in

a hurry

AND

I wasn't disappointed!!!

:rofl: :toast:

[Quixote1818]

34. Good to hear from you autorank

I don't post nearly as much as I use to but we have had some good times on DU over the years.



:hi:

I can also be nice to Hillary: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6235528

[jhrobbins]

52. I agree - that would be a great way to begin his Presidency-didn't

someone in the very recent past campaign on 'changing the tone' in DC and then do a 180. Great model to emulate.

[Name removed]

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[casus belli]

15. Woah, completely unnecessary n/t

[adoraz]

17. Should I even comment on how ignorant this poster is?

I guess I will.

Look, Barack Obama is trying to become the President of the United States. This is obviously a job so important that I can't even stress it. My opinion is that Hillary being on the ticket would kill his chances. Understand?

Also, I never said people who don't vote for Obama are racists or anything near that, but it is extremely obvious many Hillary supporters ARE racist. That is a fact. They will NOT vote for Obama. Period. I am not saying the majority are or anything, but when you look at exit polls for places like West Virginia where a quarter willingly admitted to a random person they voted for Hillary for "race reasons", well that is all you need to know.

[guruoo]

26. Many? I don't think so. A misguided, delusional fringe following perhaps.

[adoraz]

29. Exit polls don't lie.

It isn't a coincidence that Hillary is winning the white vote by gigantic margins in places that have been historically racist, and on the other hand Obama is winning the white vote in places that haven't been historically racist (like Oregon).

I'm not saying they are all extreme racists like some of the people on youtube, but a lot of them have bias which is enough for them not to vote for a black man.

I'm white, I'm from an educated part of North Carolina (Raleigh in The Triangle), and I know a lot of racists and all of them are going for Hillary and McCain (unsurprisingly). I use to live in Connecticut and I only knew a very small handful of racists.

[guruoo]

35. Exit polls document racists? How do they do that?

Oh, you mean whites. Uh-huh.

[adoraz]

42. what does it mean to you...

when a quarter of West Virginia people openly admit to a pollster than they voted for Hillary due to race?

I'm sorry, but there is no spinning that. That is clearly racism.

[jhrobbins]

53. This is exactly the same thing that people are saying about Obama

supporters too.

[Cha]

12. Why?

Just because everyone of her primary election actions have led us to confirm this?

Do we believe hilary or our lying eyes?

[AtomicKitten]

16. The contest is becoming surreal at this point.

Obama won the power play the Clintons laid down and now some associated with her camp have the audacity to even suggest she'd be let anywhere near the ticket.

One thing Obama has proved throughout this campaign is that he is no dumbass. She is a huge net negative for him. Respect was rendered and she finished the campaign (tomorrow), but now it's over.

A concession three months ago was her best shot at VP. But instead she chose to roll the dice for more, and lost. That's it for her; there is no more.

[FlyingSquirrel]

18. What you need to be worried about is slightly different:

Hijacking the TOP spot by promising his superdelegates a Unity ticket with him as VP. Everyone knows it makes more sense with her on top and him waiting in the wings in 8 years. His supporters might grumble and protest but they'd come around and vote for her knowing he could still win the presidency eventually, and that he'd be there to help out in the meantime.

[adoraz]

22. There is about a 0% of that happening.

Obama won the nomination, I am not worried about that in the slightest. Haven't been for weeks.

[davidpdx]

20. I agree with you that Hillary as VP

would be a bad idea. I've said over and over again that Obama should consider picking someone who is a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton. The idea of unity doesn't necessarly lie with the "dream ticket" (which is not so much a dream more of a nightmare) so there are plenty of other options to be had.

[unkachuck]

21. to keep....

....from being assassinated, Obama has to take a page from the repug playbook....'..the VP has to be more of a threat to the opposition than the President'....

....Obama should select a hardcore Communist as his VP....he will then sleep soundly every night for eight years....

[vaberella]

24. Huffingtonpost has an article on it here's Bill's statements...

He shot his wife in the foot with those crap comments.

Bill:

"You know he didn't use a single name, cite a single source in all those things he said. It's just slimy. It's part of the national media's attempt to nail Hillary for Obama. It's just the most biased press coverage in history. It's another way of helping Obama. They had all these people standing up in this church cheering, calling Hillary a white racist, and he didn't do anything about it. The first day he said 'Ah, ah, ah well.' Because that's what they do-- he gets other people to slime her. So then they saw the movie they thought this is a great ad for John McCain-- maybe I better quit the church. It's all politics. It's all about the bias of the media for Obama. Don't think anything about it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/bill-clinton-purdhum-a-sl_b_104771.html

Oh and there's a vid. Damn the videos are killing the candidates.

If you read the previous line to this Bill said he hadn't read the article yet, but he says the guy didn't cite or name a single name. I'm not saying what the guy in VF said was true, but man... So now it's a conspiracy by Obama to get this done.

[woolldog]

31. ouch. Bill was ambushed there.

Kind of feel sorry for him.

[Prophet 451]

59. Bill's delusional there

most biased media ever? Hardly. I remember the 2000 coverage.

[ccharles000]

27. Hillary would be a great VP.

[adoraz]

33. Well I disagree, and like I said...

number 1 priority is Obama getting into office, and I believe Hillary would kill his chances.

It isn't just about me disliking her.

[CoffeeCat]

32. It will probably take Obama's win...

...for people to really grasp the giant paradigm shift
that the Democratic party is about to experience.

This is Obama's party now. The Clintons were
in power for decades and they were like party royalty, and
they were in the process of installing the DLC as the power base in the Dem party.

That party is OVER.

The Democratic party has now completely shifted Progressive--with Obama
leading the charge.

It will be vividly crystal clear--after Obama locks down the
nomination (I'm guessing tomorrow night) that it will be a new
day in Democratic politics, with a tectonic shift toward a
new power base in the Democratic party.

Ladies and Gentlemen--say hello to the new leader of our party--
Barack Obama. And who does he bring along with him? Howard Dean.
Al Gore. Ted Kennedy. John Kerry. Joe Biden. John Edwards.
Bill Richardson. Claire McCaskill. Michael Bloomberg. Nancy
Pelosi. Chris Dodd. Jim Webb. Barbara Boxer. Robert Casey.
Dick Durban. Russ Feingold. Amy Klobuchar. Tom Harkin. Harry
Reid. Bill Nelson. Chuck Schumer. John Conyers.

The Progressive wing of our party will lead the way now. Any
middle-of-the-roaders will fall in line behind Obama and
this wave of change--because the power has shifted. The voters
demanded it.

Obama has clipped the wings of the DLC faction of our party.

That will become more evident after the magic number is hit--
and when the Progressives that we admire and count on--stand with
Obama.

She's not going to be vp, because Hillary's side of the party--the
DLC--has lost. The Progressive wing of our party--which has finally
won the struggle--will not give power to the side of our party
that enabled the neocons.

Hillary bamboozled many, many people into voting for her--with her
"change" and "populist" memes that were adopted only to cull
votes. The Progressive party insiders know that better than any of us--because
they've seen her operate for decades. No way will they give any power
to the DLCers, after wrestling it away from them. Do you think Al Gore
really agrees with Hillary and her war vote? Does anyone actually
believe that Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry want Hillary
in the number two slot?

Nancy Pelosi has flat out said that it's not going to happen.

It's a new day...and this will be a Progressive ticket all the way.

[vaberella]

38. You forgot to mention Kathleen Sebelius...keep it together...

She's my girl.

Yes, Nancy Pelosi did say so and in Hillary's place she said go for Sebelius. That's why you see Sebelius showing up on MSNBC and CNN more regularly.

[CoffeeCat]

43. Yes, Kathleen Sebelius...

...is awesome!

I did remember her, but as I was typing in other names, I accidentally
omitted her.

My apologies!

She will definitely play a major role in the future of the Democratic party.

Thanks for reminding all of us about how important she is to us!

[adoraz]

39. excellent post.

[Erin Elizabeth]

40. Wow, I loved reading that.

It was an awesome post!

[donheld]

36. Madonna has as good a chance of being VP as Hillary

[Why Syzygy]

37. Contact his campaign office >>

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/contact/

I sent an email to Michelle and the Policy subject. Tomorrow, I'm going to call.

Meanwhile I found this, which made me feel better >>>

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/06/obama_invites_c.html

On the precipice of winning the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama today shared a phone conversation he had with rival Hillary Clinton about uniting the party.

"I emphasized to her what an extraordinary race that she's run and said that there aren't too many people who understand exactly how hard she's been working," he told reporters in Waterford, Mich., relating their talk Sunday when he congratulated her on her victory in Puerto Rico.

"I'm one of 'em because she and I have been on this same journey together, and I told her that once the dust settled I was looking forward to meeting with her at a time and place of her choosing. The sooner we can bring the party together, the sooner we can focus on John McCain and taking back the White House."

If Obama indeed clinches the nomination after the Montana and South Dakota primaries Tuesday, that meeting could conceivably come as soon as Wednesday in Washington, where both are scheduled to address the American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference.

[dailykoff]

44. I would have thought it impossible

until he threw his own damn church under the bus on Saturday. This is a guy who has very few scruples.

[jhrobbins]

55. How dare you blaspheme St Barack-get the hence thy vile idolater.

Everyone knows that when HRC does something politically expedient she is an opportunist swine, but when SB does it, he is sage and visionary. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.

:sarcasm:

[panAmerican]

46. I share your concerns

Granted that we expect Clinton's campaign to bluster and "fight, fight, fight!" all the way to the end. I don't care that pundits are saying that her continuing bravado is for the sake of influencing SDs. Those ads about her winning the popular vote (which excludes totals from 15 caucus states, and gives 0 Michigan votes to Obama), Ickes' proclaiming that they reserve the right to go to the convention, and the endless parting shots by many of her heavy weights, all serve to undermine Obama in the minds of Clinton supporters.

Her campaign is creating the rationale that the only way for Obama to redeem himself in their eyes is to have her on the ticket. I vehemently oppose such a move. Bill Clinton, in particular, has been so condescending to Obama. I don't even think they deserve Obama's help to retire their personal debt. Any attempt to get a different woman on the ticker would surely cause outcries of ageism because she would almost certainly be younger than Clinton. A male VP selection would revive talks of a woman being shut out of the boys' club, and I'm not entirely certain that McCain wouldn't highlight that sentiment by picking a female running-mate.

[McCamy Taylor]

47. I am worried about war in Iran, 2nd Great Depression, Influenza Pandemic

Which Dem is the VP just does not fill me with fear.

Maybe my priorities are messed up.

[CakeGrrl]

48. I'm in total agreement

I've said several times on these threads that people are so caught up in thinking that Hillary is a must-have for the GE (I disagree), that they're not thinking about what happens afterward.

I hope Obama is only being prudent and diplomatic. I agree with him taking that tack given the hostility that Hillary has ginned up amongst her most fervent followers, but I'll have to trust his savvy and instincts to realize how opportunistic and dangerous she's proven herself to be. I have to believe he knows better than to put himself in the position as the only thing standing between someone so desperate to win the nomination and the office of the presidency, especially after that someone has mentioned an assassinated candidate at least 3 or 4 times during the course of this contest.

That aside, I'd also hope he's too smart to compromise his higher ground on the IWR against McCain by putting someone on the ticket who voted for it - that was an important distinction he made between himself and Hillary throughout his campaign.

[eridani]

49. Obama has really solid political instincts.

If he picks Clinton, it's probably a good idea.

[billyoc]

51. Two words: Vetting Process

She wouldn't get 10 feet.

[red storm]

56. We need someone strong to be the vice president

and I do not see that in Hillary. I am not a Hillary fan, obviously, and it would be "Bill" guiding her if she would be selected by Obama.

Someone other than a "Clinton" like perhaps Edwards or how about Gore again. No neither one would take that offer and it won't be offered.

I did in the beginning want to see an Edwards/Obama ticket. My own personal thought on that lineup was they would be unbeatable. But that didn't happen and the Democratic party is split.

[Douglas Carpenter]

60. The financial prediction markets are shooting upward in favor of Hillary getting the V,P. slot

Intrade figures which are almost exactly the same as Rasmussen Market figures are now trading at 25% to 28%. This is an increase of between 9% and 10% in just the last 72 hours.

Here are the percentage of possibility according to the financial prediction markets:

Of course this only reflects the educated guess of market forces. I'm using the figures from Intrade ( http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch / ) which follows very closely to the same figures from Rasmussen Markets ( http://markets.rasmussenreports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=274442# ) Intrade is real speculating with real money. Rasmussen Markets relies on insider tips and expert analysis. But there numbers almost always turn out to be almost the same.


http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch /

Intrade Prediciton Market is currently trading a 25.0% to 28.0% possibility of Hillary Clinton being the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 19.0% to 20.9% possibility that James Webb will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 7.6% to 8.9% possibility that Mark Warner will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 6.0% to 7.0% Bill Richardson will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 4.7% to 5.8% possibility that John Edwards will be the Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at 4.1% to 4.9% possibility that Al Gore will be the the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 4.0% to 4.5% possibility that Wesley Clark will be the Democratic Vice Presidential
Normie

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 3.2% to 4.2% possibility that Joseph Biden will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 3.0% to 4.9% possibility that Ted Strickland will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 2.6% to 3.9% possibility that Sam Nunn will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee.

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 1.4% to 1.9% possibility that Evan Bayh will be the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee

Intrade Prediction Market is currently trading at a 1.0% to 1.4% possibility that Tom Vilsack will be the Democratic Party nominee

Both Intrade Prediction Markets and Rasmussen Markets also listed some other possibilities. I have listed most of them that are currently being traded.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch

http://markets.rasmussenreports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=274442#