Who are you people?

[sandnsea]

Are Friday nights always like this? Do the trolls come out from under their rocks? What is going on here? We just had the largest political rally in Oregon state history today and you people have the Kerry campaign on its last gasp. I don't recognize very many of these names. A few are the usual suspects, sour grapes and Naderites. The rest...??? Anybody want to tell me who these people are???

[NMDemDist2]

1. not me sand

and yes it's often like this on Friday nights

no social lives perhaps to blame?

[JohnKleeb]

this is why I like the lounge

:P

[NMDemDist2]

8. i pop in there regularly too

right? :hi:

[JohnKleeb]

9. yeah ya do its the best aint it

[sandnsea]

51. Ah, misplaced anger

Yes, that's definitely something to consider. Well, maybe I should just get some sleep and leave them to it then.

[JohnKleeb]

2. as I told you

I am pleased with the way things are because Kerry is making in roads in areas like Virginia, Jimmy Carter and Clinton didnt win here and they were native sons yet Kerry might just, he's having great crowds, he's leading in most polls, also there's the fact that Kerry isnt the best starter there is but as far as closing, he's a phenom as the primaries and his battle with Bill Weld eight years ago showed. So I am optimistic but you already knew that.

[movonne]

3. They are nuts....Kerry by a landside...

[Catch22Dem]

4. I'm HERE, I'm HERE, I'm HERE!!!!

Haven't been on all night though. I've been preparing for a dinner party. My daughter and I have been in the kitchen all night. It's a Middle Eastern themed dinner party. That ought to get all those freepers riled up. I can hear their little heads exploding right now. Middle Eastern food and music is wonderful. I'm sure those morans wouldn't know anything about it though.

[Joylaughter]

5. Beats me

But I believe in John Kerry. Before Dean was even in the mix I belived in Kerry. I believe that if there are elections and if the votes are counted honestly, John Kerry will win in a BIG VICTORY. For the world.

[ModerateMiddle]

75. Amen to you and welcome to DU

I don't post here much any more. I have a very hard time with all of the insistance that everything is going to hell in a handbasket with the Kerry campaign.

Like you, I believed in John Kerry from the beginning. When Howard Dean first made his appearance on the national stage (I saw his very early Meet the Press interview) I was very impressed. But he was giving too much ammo to the enemy.

Kerry is a poised national and international leader. He has what it will take to unite the world, just as he has in many ways united the herd of cats which constitutes the Dem Party.

His ways of doing things are quite different than Bush's. He isn't so much for rhetoric or attacks. He is just the person this country and the world needs to soothe alot of what ails us. And he isn't going to be able to accomplish that by being an attack dog. He needs to be who he is, and what he is, is a visionary.

Welcome to DU :)

[volosong]

97. Because the Media Hardly Reported the Events Here in the East

That is why.

The fascist media won again.

[Placebo]

6. I don't think it is "Troll-ish" to suggest Kerry can and SHOULD do better.

:nopity:

[NMDemDist2]

what "better" would you have him do?

he is climbing steadily in the polls, pulling thousands of people everywhere he stops, money is flowing into the DNC coffers for ads all month

good grief what do you want?

your sig line says it all... Why are you supporting HC in 08? why not support JK RIGHT NOW??!!??

[Placebo]

11. You have to look at the BIGGER long term picture...

the swift boat veterans for truth (aka against kerry) have had an impact on his poll numbers.

the media has been pounding away at him hard since the convention and that isn't set to stop anytime soon.

the republicans are framing the campaign instead of the democrats.

bush's poll numbers have begun to rise.

and the republican convention hasn't even occured yet.

[NMDemDist2]

13. with friends like you, we don't need any enemies n/t

[Placebo]

14. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN???

I thought the great thing about being a democrat, a progressive, and a liberal, was that i didn't mindlessly follow my fearless leader as we always accuse the right-wingers of doing...

perhaps i am mistaken?

:shrug:

[Catholic Sensation]

18. because you're so god damn negative?

no that couldn't be it

[Placebo]

20. Blind optimism...

is worse than me being a tad pessimistic at times.

[Catholic Sensation]

22. yeah if you were a "tad" pessimistic

but you're not a tad pessimistic, you're bitching about us being in the lead. That's just idiocy.

[JohnKleeb]

23. but Neo

we're not winning in Utah, so thus Kerry is doing a bad job. He's doing pretty damn good I think, call that blindless optimism but I see the ethiusiasm for Kerry in a part of Virginia that went for Bush I, Dole, and Bush II last time, I think I have a right to be optimistic.

[Placebo]

24. It's "idiocy" to attach some constructive critism...

to me bitching about being in the supposed "lead".

I haven't been bitching about anything, much less the "lead" you're talking about.

ya know if people are going to get attacked on this website for saying anything that isn't 100% happy go-lucky positive about the bloody kerry campaign and everything it does then WHAT IS THE POINT OF EVEN HAVING A DISCUSSION FORUM?

[NMDemDist2]

26. constructive critisism

the swift boat veterans for truth (aka against kerry) have had an impact on his poll numbers.

the media has been pounding away at him hard since the convention and that isn't set to stop anytime soon.

the republicans are framing the campaign instead of the democrats.

bush's poll numbers have begun to rise.

and the republican convention hasn't even occured yet.



What's constructive there pray tell?

[incapsulated]

30. "Kerry by a landslide!"

What's constructive there?

At least what you wrote is based on some sort of determinable reality.

[Demonaut]

59. I have to agree with these points, negative they may be and sticking our

heads in the sand serves no purpose, if the Kerry campaign reads DU then the points might be well taken

[Catholic Sensation]

27. you haven't offered constructive criticism

because you have YET to provide any solution. You have simply sat here and bitched, while we're leading, about things outside of Kerry's control (I'm sorry, when did John Kerry gain control over how the media covers him?). If you're going to post negative shit and explain how Kerry's fucking up you better damn well provide a solution. You're being uselessly negative, and that's idiotic.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

29. Why did you invent poll results that don't exist?

the swift boat veterans for truth (aka against kerry) have had an impact on his poll numbers.

What poll?

[Catholic Sensation]

32. he asked three republicans at the waffle house about the ad

the results were 100% against Kerry

[JohnKleeb]

33. well thats useful

;)

[NMDemDist2]

19. I'm not asking you to mindlessly follow him

I'm just asking you to support our candidate with some enthusiasm, instead of assuming he's going to lose

and it's not just your comment on the SBV4Bush either. Your sig line is as much as admitting defeat.

so i ask you, what have YOU done for the campaign to take back the whitehouse from Bush? What have you personally done?

Walked a precinct? Worked a phone bank? Wrote a letter to the editor? Do you sport a bumper sticker?

[lastliberalintexas]

78. Much better to bury our heads in the sand, right?

Rather than dispute what s/he wrote, you simply go after her/him personally. I know, I know- it was because you *couldn't* dispute what was written.

Saying Kerry needs to do this or we hope he'll do that doesn't mean we want him to lose. It means we want him to win (or at the very least want Shrub to lose), but these are the problems we've seen, the issues we've been fighting friends and acquiantances about that haven't been addressed by the Kerry campaign.

Ironically, while I don't know that I'll be voting for him myself, I actually do try to get others to do so. And I'm tired of having to explain the swift vets crap. That is a HUGE issue that the Kerry camp should have been ready for and responded to better. But weeks later I'm still having to clear it up for people I know and tell them about the nutjobs behind it, Kerry's valiant service, Shrub being AWOL, etc.

So I'm just wondering when my paycheck will arrive from the Kerry camp, since I seem to have to do their job for them.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

28. You are making things up.

the swift boat veterans for truth (aka against kerry) have had an impact on his poll numbers.

An absolute fabrication. What poll?

[Rowdyboy]

31. Can you offer a link that proves the SBVT trash is hurting Kerry?

I believe they've been pretty thoroughly discredited. How about a link to show how "Bush's poll numbers have begun to rise"? Everything I've seen show Bush stuck at 43-45% with Kerry at 48-49%. There's no proof of any uptick for Bush.

I read constantly, all over the net, liberal and conservative sites and I've seen nothing to indicate that you're right...Feel free to PROVE me wrong...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

36. Kerry went up in FL,OH, PA

as well as in the national polls. Have any showed Bush going up in any swing state?

[JohnKleeb]

38. Wyoming is a key to winning the presidency isn't it?

[NMDemDist2]

34. Ok guys, give the kid a break, he's only 18

still learning the ropes ya know :smoke:

[JohnKleeb]

35. so because I am 17, I can be illogical

Whatever you say :D, I demand that Kerry send his operatives to Utah to try to win the Mormon vote :D. Kidding, thats one state I would recommend to Kerry not to even bother.

[Selwynn]

79. uhhh yes. Everyone "can" be illogical. Even 17 year olds. :)

Whether you are or not is a different story.

[JohnKleeb]

83. I can be very illogical

Try going to bed on school nights at 2:00 :silly:

[Selwynn]

93. LOL.. damn.. you're giving me flashbacks :D

[JohnKleeb]

100. am I?

[Placebo]

40. Ya know, I NEVER thought so many open minded people could be so mean...

in the past 20 minutes across multiple threads, i've been accused of being negative, a FREEPER, "mentally ill", having "no social life" and someone even went as far as to say "who needs enemies when we have friends like you".

What the hell is up people? I'm not attacking Kerry, the mere fact that i am posting my thoughts (which maureen dowd also talked about almost exactly on BILL MAHER tonight) proves that I WANT kerry to win, i HOPE he will, but is it absolutely out of my mind bone crushingly evil stupid and negative of me to suggest we could be waging a better campaign?

if i wanted to get beaten up like this and called names i'd go debate politics with repubs.

[NMDemDist2]

42. i formally apologize

and ask again..

what do you do to make it happen on a daily, weekly or monthly basis?

[Placebo]

46. I...

write to my local papers, i write to the kerry campaign, i donate money, i get my parents and relative to donate money, i talk about and bring up politics with my peers every chance i get and have gotten more than 20 to register as democrats and will make sure they all get the polls.

[NMDemDist2]

47. excellent, keep up the good work

and try to keep a good attitude.

Don't show any weakness or pessimism when talking to non or undecided voters

i think it was your sig line that set me off. I'm a big hillary fan too, but we can't fight the good fight now if we're already hedging our bets

friends? :pals:

[Placebo]

49. Friends :-)

and my sig line is a joke really, I say beforehand "If All Else Fails... HILLARY '08" i suppose i will change it though.

[NMDemDist2]

52. thanks I really really appreciate it

:bounce:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

53. I didn't say any of those things, but I did ask you about the poll.

So what about it? Did you make it up out of whole cloth? Why?

[Placebo]

55. I heard Chris Matthews mention something about it today...

I am trying to find it, but he might have been talking about the attacks having an effect on kerry not necessarily in a specific poll but in some other way, still trying to figure it out.

but no i didn't come up with it out of no where, as i certainly hope that their false and baseless attacks are having no effect on the kerry campaign,

[Feanorcurufinwe]

74. Bullshit

[SangamonTaylor]

92. deleted

deleted b/c i didn't read your follow up...keep up the good work.

[Name removed]

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[Norquist Nemesis]

7. Been wondering the same thing

I'm reading a whole lot of bitching but very little on the action side.

[demgrrrll]

17. I am probably one of the least pessimistic people I know, hell my

husband calls me Alfred E Neuman. I do not think the situation is dire. I do agree with some of the bloggers who have noted that Kerry needs to work with his surrogates who are appearing on television so they are as aware of the slime as we are. Some people have pointed out that
the surrogates that are appearing seem a bit flat footed. Kerry is running a good person to person campaign, he is taking it to the people this month with great success. This is so important that I think everyone wants to feel assured about the outcome or at least feel that Bush is not within striking distance.

[sandnsea]

45. Surrogates, I agree

But some of these posts make things seems so bad, I feel like I should just jump right off the bridge right now!!

[loveable liberal]

10. im at work.....i think kerry is going to win big...real big.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

12. I'm sick of it.

It's tiresome. I'm busy trying to make it happen, and it is discouraging to have to constantly be told we're doomed -- just like they told us at this time last year. We were told Kerry wasn't fighting enough, he wasn't attacking Bush enough, he's a loser, blah blah blah. And since then he's won, won, won. His poll numbers have gone up, while Bush's have gone down -- just a little in the 'national horse race', but significantly in the electoral college projections. All the criticism has been bullshit this whole year and, excuse my French, but je m'en fous de ces conneries.

[JohnKleeb]

15. Kerry is the best closer of any politican I know

I was a closer when I pitched too :D. Youre absolutely right, Mary Beth Cahill corrected a near dead campaign before, and if she can do that, she can make a presidential winner, also those polls from electoral-college. com are how should I say it encouraging. If Kerry is within 5 points in traditionally now republican Virginia, he's doing something right. Keeeeeeeeeeeery.

[Neshanic]

80. I'm the guy that saw Gore beaten by a moron, and.....

live in a Arizona, where there are Bush and Kerry ads non-stop. Also I am that person who reads these posts and one person says that one poll is believable but another is not. Sorry to be a bit of a pessimist but seeing McCain in that sorry-assed suck up photo, after he denounced the Swift Boat ads, makes one wonder what Bush actually threatens people with. You think that we have it locked up? Not by a long shot.

I have dropped two clients because of their rabid republicanism, and three ex-friends that can't understand why I am such a moron voting for Kerry. I'm the gay guy that knows that Kerry is the answer and will NOT bring up the gay issue with him, because it is so important we get him in there. I want Kerry to win so bad it hurts. I have 5 Kerry stickers on my car, and get shit every day for it.

Go sell tired somewhere else, I just want him to win, and because I bring up the fact Chimpy could pull this off, you think that people on here are some type of traitors?

So don't look so surprised after the RNC convention when the polls show a "HUGE" number gain for Bush and a "re-invigorated Bush, or whatever the corporate media whores say; look surprised because you could not image that they would do anything to stay in power. Nixon was a punk compared to this gang.

Sorry I don't have the requisite post numers to be considered credible.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

85. Yep, Bush needs a 10-15% bounce to maintain the pretense of viability

[Neshanic]

87. Is that sarcasm? You don't think he may pull that off?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

89. It's a fact, he's 3-5 behind, way behind in the EV, and the trends are

against him. He needs a huge bounce from the convention.

[Snoggera]

16. I was thinking the same thing a few minutes ago

I counted up the # of threads berating and questioning Kerry, and couldn't believe it.

I think some go past the point of mere criticism, and actually (not consciously I would guess for the most part) assist the opposition in pounding a lie into people's heads simply by the repetitiveness.

Example. I don't generally watch tv, and only once in a blue moon watch the news. I think I would have read a few swift boat liar articles, Kerry's response, and moved on. However, there must have been 200 threads questioning Kerry on this.

I'm not sure I agree with all of the Kerry camp's strategies, but admit that they seem to be working.

Kerry is winning.

[Proud liberal Kat]

21. check out the 50,000 strong at Oregon post sinking to the bottom

There are people posting about it and responding positively to it...I don't know it seems for every post criticizing Kerry, there is another one criticizing those who criticize Kerry thus keeping that cycle going and the positives sinking.
Kathy

[JohnnyRingo]

25. It's all "Sea to Shining Sea" here.

Whadda tour
JK pulled in some votes in the last 2 weeks.

[autorank]

37. When do the show trials start?

Hey, great thread. Our topic today is... crapping on new users. I was a Democrat before there was an internet;just because we're not here all the time is no reason to think we're inferior or that we were born yesterday. Variety is just fine.

Kerry will win by a landslide. There are other points of view, so what!

Stop newbie abuse!

[NMDemDist2]

39. that's what I just said too, he's a kid and I'm glad he's thinking and

gives a hoot about the election at all

[incapsulated]

41. Welcome autorank!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[autorank]

58. Thanks, nice to be here

[sandnsea]

48. Oh no no no

Not new users. There's alot of high post users that are popping up tonight that I don't recognize either. I wonder if they just come out when things are going well to discourage people or something. Just observing a peculiarity, that's all. Different points of view are one thing, a flood of posts repeating the same thing over and over is weird.

[MaryBear]

43. At least we can avoid

attacking each other. "You this." "You that." Enough already.

[OneBlueSky]

44. he may be drawing the crowds, but BushCo is setting the agenda . . .

for the campaign and doing a good job of defining Kerry for the voters . . . while the polls may look good now (meaningless), if this keeps up they won't stay that way . . . as long as he's on the defensive and BushCo is setting the parameters of the debate, any lead that Kerry has is tenuous at best . . . he's getting Gored, and that ain't good . . .

[MaryBear]

50. I disagree, OneBlueSky.

Kerry effectively set the agenda at the Dem Convention, and Bush-co is struggling to divert attention from it. Kerry just needs to keep on keeping on. He's winner.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

88. Is there any factual basis for your comments whatsoever?

The polls don't matter, the crowds don't matter, all that matters is the supposed brilliance of the Bush campaign?

:eyes:

[Leilani]

54. My 2 cents:

I think Kerry is doing a great job; people are excited, they are hopeful. The crowds are huge, & it looks good.

On the other hand, Bush/Cheney are running a negative, slimy race, & have their swift-boat types & others out there making a lot of noise.

I know Kerry wants to stay positive & I agree; I just wish there were people out there working for Kerry, debunking all the negative stuff.

I know the campaign releases rebuttals to the press, but they are not reporting it. Kerry needs an effective rebuttal to the crap...not for him to do it, but someone should.

[NMDemDist2]

56. the Dem surrogates are weak, we need better talking point meme's

widely distributed

that is how the Repub noise machine is so effective

[TheRovingGourmet]

57. I think Kerry should rebut these statements himself. These

statements are about his life so he should be the one to defend it. I cannot blame the media for tossing a press release; they will not ignore personal testimony.

[oasis]

60. Kerry will not dance to Rove's tune. The same media picked apart Gore

in 2000 with Rove's machine calling the shots. Kerry will not lower himself to answer every two-bit claim by right wing whack jobs.

[TheRovingGourmet]

61. It is his call to defend himself or not defend himself. There

have been some serious allegations made that deserve a response. Note that I have never seen those swift boat ads as they don't run here. I also don't remember Gore really fighting back effectively.

[oasis]

62. "serious allegations that deserve a response". Apparently the Kerry

camp thinks it would be beneath him to answer baseless charges. The swifboat liars are being discredited daily. John McCain called the ads dishonorable.

Kerry need to nothing but sit tight and keep his powder dry.

[wtf]

64. ugh

I hate when we fight with each other like this. How about for every post you have in this thread, you donate 1 dollar to Kerry/Edwards or moveon, starting with me!

[oasis]

65. I consider my efforts as an attempt to reach an understanding rather than

"fighting". But you have a proactive idea which I will take you up on.

[TheRovingGourmet]

66. That is his choice. I can only talk about how things look in

my area with people that I deal with on a daily basis. I have heard the swift boat ads are pretty hokey so you may be right about those but I have never seen them. The charges about the MD and the sealed records should be answered though, in my opinion.

[oasis]

67. The "charges about the MD and the sealed records"?? Please explain.

[TheRovingGourmet]

68. There was one charge that the Kerry Campaign was making

the statement that a different MD treated Kerry for the injury that eventually led to Purple Heart number one and that the MD written on the report is actually "hm1" for hospital mate first class and that there was only one MD at Kerry's base. The other charge was that the records of the other two purple hearts are sealed. I have no idea if this is true, or why, if it is true.

I've never followed any of this stuff very closely as it is boring and involves a lot of military lingo that I am unfamiliar with. I know the stations that it plays on and what kind of feedback I get on it so I know it is important enough to deserve some attention.

[oasis]

69. This is exactly why Kerry should not bother answering each and every

charge that pops up from the Rove camp. Those who question wounded vets do not deserve the time of day. Anyone who would ask is dead-set against Kerry no matter what explanation is offered.

Kerry chooses to win or lose on the issues that voters care about.

[TheRovingGourmet]

71. Kerry is making his service a big issue in this campaign so

he should address some of the larger issues that pop up. To not do so looks strange to some people, to others it will not matter in any case as they just don't like the guy.

One vet told me that many of his fellow vets had long since made their peace with those that found a way to not go to Vietnam and they have worked hard to put the war behind them. However, one caveat he brought up was that if there was any monkey business over any of the medals, this is an unforgivable dishonor.

[oasis]

73. Your friend questions how a fellow vet got wounded. What's his take

on someone whose daddy got him out of Vietnam service altogether? Namely,George W. Bush. If your veteran friend makes excuses for Bush's avoidance of Vietnam service, then he would not vote for Kerry and you would be wasting your time trying to recruit him.

[Democat]

70. For not following closely, you know some obscure right wing talking points

About which signature or code was on which form?

That's strange.

[TheRovingGourmet]

72. I keep a radio on most of the time so I hear all sorts of things,

some of which I pass on to a political adviser that works with one of our state reps. I won't listen to Rush or Dr. Laura though.

[Name removed]

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[rasputin1952]

81. I want to respond to this as a vet...

I was Army, but I know a lot of Naval protocol, as it correlates more through the DOD than either particular branch.

Regardless of how Kerry was wounded, as long as he was engaged w/the enemy at the time, and it was not friendly fire that caused the incident, he is entitled to a PH.

To elaborate just a bit: If Kerry was wounded, even a relatively minor wound, would qualify him for the PH. There must be documentation of the event and a Corpsman would have filled out a tag, and eventually it would have been placed in his medical and personnel files. No MD need be present to "authorize" the wound; in fact, it would have been an absurdity, under the circumstances for an MD to be involved. Swift Boats were River Patrol Craft, and while they would have had a base of operations, where an MD might be present, I find that highly in doubt in this situation. Unless Kerry, or the Corpsman, felt that the treatment for his wound required additional attention. The report is sufficient for the award of a PH. To be honest, if all that was needed was some tincture of benzoin and a bandaid, as long as that wound was created under fire, or under hostile conditions, the award is virtually automatic.

Here is what I find much more interesting....there are no "sealed records" in a 201 file. The exceptions to that would be something that would directly affect national security, or a missions accomplishment. Kerry was awarded 3 PH's, and his DD214 shows that fact. When pressed to produce his records, which are available publicly by the way, as are all Military Records, Kerry produced them at the right time and in due course. I can think of someone else that has a very serious problem in doing the same thing....:evilgrin:

The other part of the equation, and this is how stupid the R's are, is that there is no mention of any kind of trouble w/the other 2 awards of the PH. This is a strawman setup, and backfired miserably.

I for one, am not concerned w/Kerry's courage, and I don't think many others are either. In fact, the R's tried the same thing w/another Kerrey, Bob Kerrey...MOH recipient and awarded the PH for wounds in action. The bush machine tried to make him look like a murderer of civilians, and a coward to boot.

I am a former Army Medic, I can attest to the fact that there would be nothing in Kerry's 201 file, nor on his DD 214 that could, or would be "hidden". If a mistake were made, the military is swift to correct it.

You can tell those around you, that think this is a "situation", that they are wrong. They have the right to be wrong, but if I were in their shoes, I wouldn't make a point of this...it shows how foolish some people can be.

:)

edited for spelling.....:(

[JohnKleeb]

82. Thanks Ras, you know I always appreciate your perspective

I read about how the wounds were inflicted last night actually, my brother had heard right wing bs from a friend of his so I found out how the wounds were inflicted, a lot of shaparnel, if anyone doesnt know what sharpanel is, its what is in grenades.

[rasputin1952]

90. Hi John...this opens up another aspect of R machine....

Max Cleland.

Max was not awarded a PH, because the grenade that took three of his limbs was actually an accident, and would be considered "Friendly Fire".

But with Max, and Coulter and the rest of the cowards on the right, never mention that 3 days before Cleland's accident, he was in a fire fight. He was a Signal Corps CPT, and was under fire all the time while pulling wounded soldiers to safety, and protecting his area of operations at the time. This was recognized with a Silver Star several months later, long after Max was beginning to recover from the loss of 3 limbs.

In the meantime, Saxby Chambliss, the coward that defeated Max in a highly contested election, was sitting at home as a 4-F w/a "trick knee".

A man of great courage and dignity, defeated by a coward that would run from his own shadow....I cannot describe how much I despise these people....:grr:

Great to see you John....:hi:

[JohnKleeb]

91. Yeah I heard about Cleland

He lived for quite a few years thinking it was his mistake. Max is a living hero, I really admore the man, he's really a class act. Yeah, how they treat honorable vets like Kerry and Cleland is part of why I despise them too, its just nasueating. Thats right Cleland was honored.

[TheRovingGourmet]

94. Thank you for your input on this and I will use it here locally

the first chance I get. I'm not sure if I can keep all of the forms straight though. Has the military ever considered giving forms...names? :)

What I don't get is this. I assume you were able to write most of this from memory and that it did not take you very long to write it. Why can Kerry not do the same and post it on his own site? They do spend some effort addressing this but only by posting other stories that have been written on this or by writing convoluted statements that address things at random.

You post is what I call a "here's the deal" type of statement. This is what I want to see more of from the Kerry people and less of that horrible "political speak" stuff.

[madfloridian]

77. "usual suspects, sour grapes and Naderites."

This kind of description, without further clarification, does not help unity very much.

What do these people say? Are they saying bad things, are they questioning, wondering? What is it these people are doing?

I am asking because there is a place where some of this is organized, but we can not talk about it. I am also asking because because many of us here who are moderate life-long Democrats have been labeled and categorized as outsiders because we question certain things.

Perhaps it would help unity better if you clarified. I would rather people be specific, as there are all kinds here.

[Cheswick2.0]

84. Who are you?

I remember when a whole lot of new people showed up during the primaries. Some of us who had been here for a while saw those people as astroturf and Kerry enforcers. Some of us are still wishing those people would go away since they tend to bully everyone who doesn't agree with them.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

86. The picture of tolerance:

'Some of us are still wishing those people would go away'

:eyes:

[MoonRiver]

95. If you call them, they won't come.

They wait until they, foolishly, think we're not looking.

[volosong]

96. Oregon Events Hardly Mentioned in the East

The media is hardly reporting any Kerry successes. That is why I wrote the following letter to about 25 fascist newspapers:

http://congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/

NEWS MEDIA A REPUBLICAN PARTISAN TOOL

It is evident that the honored and traditional roles of the reporter and news services are dead. Out of the ashes of the golden age of journalism, an anemic albatross rather than a phoenix has risen.

Empowered yet impotent, timid reporters repeatedly fail to challenge and expose the duplicities of ALL our political leaders. When Bush split his crotch on Kerry’s war record, no one seemed to notice. An objective examination of the Bush blabbers shows 2-5 times more flips than Kerry. Many regard Bush as a total FLOP whose stupid policies are killing people and wasting billions while Americans are suffering.

Kerry-Edwards were greeted by the largest crowd in Portland history estimated between 40,000-60,000. This was ignored by most major US news services. Instead, we saw Bush with a crowd of invited guests, many looking embalmed, listening while Bush stammered and slandered.

If you don’t know for whom to vote, all you have to do is look in your wallet, and then look into the eyes of your children. Do you want four more years of a man (who in my opinion has a “cognitive disorder” and is unfit), who has his hands in your pocketbook, his finger on the nuclear trigger, and his head down kissing up to big business and corporate polluters all at your expense?

The third party candidate is effectively not Nader, but the media who are in fact running as a “parasitic appendage” prostituting themselves to Bush in the manner of John McCain. The result is the loss of journalistic integrity, a violation of the public trust, and suffocation of democracy.

I am a veteran and a gun owner. I am not formally affiliated with any candidate. What is notable is not my Doctorate in Political Science, or my Medical Degree, but the fact that I am old enough to remember when reporters and news services used to be a class act: They were aggressive, incisive, and fair instead of playing the court jesters and palace eunuchs.

[borat sagdiyev]

98. "you people"

I have seen several posts with that phrase, and it is confusing since I thought we were all on the same team.

[Snoggera]

99. Kick

for the dumbasses to read.

:kick: