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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:27 PM
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Lewis W. Diugiuid..to Hillary
http://www.newsobserver.com/2191/story/1086599.html

African American/Kansas City Star Editorial Board.

"Clinton should run to the end" "Don't quit"

Great article, great reasoning, great conclusion!
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:28 PM
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1. Agreed. Run until June then drop out.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:33 PM
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2. I know Lewis
He is a great man and has been a wonderful friend to our local progressive community. I am blessed to call Lewis a friend.

But I disagree with him about Hillary. Respectfully disagree.

We need ONE candidate and we need to get started on beating McCain instead of each other.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:52 PM
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3. Nope - for every reason he cited in that article ..I agree
She shouldn't quit...convention ..here we come!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:57 PM
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12. McCain will love that plan
Go for it.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:10 PM
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4. Isn't it cool that first women to seriously make a run at POTUS
is doing it on the back of her husband reputation and in this process is consistently lying. SO what I get from the article is Hillary should stay in because she is role model for women and girls. It would have been nice if HIllary would have made it on her own merit, Don't you think?
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:22 PM
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7. Lies? Documentation??? or
sweeping generalities..
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:30 PM
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9. do I really need to make you relive this
here we go again, just some of the best Tuzla, N.Ireland, Nafta,Family Leave Act, MI/FL, there is more, It must be hard.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:40 PM
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10. no, no, those are still generalities-specifics.Comeon now..you can do better.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:58 PM
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13. So you are saying those are not lies?
Sniper Fire, and Holes In Clinton's Recollection

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032102989.html?wpisrc=newsletter

Hillary Clinton's NAFTA Sincerity Problem

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/hillary-clint-1.html

Nobel Winner: Hillary's Northern Ireland Peace Claims A "Wee Bit Silly"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/07/nobel-winner-hillarys-n_n_90505.html

Report: Clay Sr. questions Clinton claim

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/dc-download/dc-download/2008/03/report-clay-sr-questions-clinton-claim/

I can't wait for your response, I'm sure it is going to be "they are generalities and not specific":rofl:
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:30 PM
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15. I'm still waiting for a reply
:shrug:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:49 PM
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17. It's tragic. Totally
And Obama is entirely self made.

I just wish he would dispense with those "mentors".
Why does he need all that "mentoring" help. Can't he do it for himself?
What's the problem?
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:03 PM
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19. You don't know the difference between having a husband as
a former president and a mentor, you fit the Hillary supporter profile as delusional, good Job:thumbsup:
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:13 PM
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5. Hey read this if you want a dose of reality
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/28/131524/628/571/524211

Last August, when the DNC Rules Committee voted to strip Florida (and Michigan, if it persisted in clinging to its date) of its delegates, the Clinton delegates on the committee backed those sanctions. All 12 Clinton supporters on the committee supported the penalties. (The only member of the committee to vote against them was an Obama supporter from Florida.) Harold Ickes, a committee member, leading Clinton strategist and acknowledged master of the political game, said, "This committee feels very strongly that the rules ought to be enforced." Patty Solis Doyle, then Clinton's campaign manager, further affirmed the decision. "We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process," she said, referring to the four states that the committee authorized to hold the first contests. "And we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC-approved nominating calendar."
You get that? Every Clinton supporter on the committee voted for the sanctions. The dissenting vote came from an Obama supporter. Clinton's campaign manager celebrated the decision.

Not a single Clinton campaign official or DNC Rules Committee member, much less the candidate herself, said at the time that the sanctions imposed on Florida or Michigan were in any way a patriarchal plot or an affront to democratic values. The threat that these rules posed to our fundamental beliefs was discovered only ex post facto -- the facto in question being Clinton's current need to seat the delegations whose seatings she had opposed when she thought she'd cruise to the nomination.
Exactly.

Clinton's supporters have every right to demonstrate on Saturday, of course. But their larger cause is neither democracy nor feminism; it's situational ethics. To insist otherwise is to degrade democracy and turn feminism into the last refuge of scoundrels.
Word
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:15 PM
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6. Lewis Black to Hillary:
What the HELL are you thinking???
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:24 PM
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8. She DID run to the end, and she got there in second place. The End. nm
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:00 PM
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14. Stick a fork in her
She's done.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:46 PM
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16. Great letter! K & R, and thank you for posting the link!
Every girl needs you to go the distance. You have come too far to fold now. For every woman's and girl's sake, don't quit.

Men and boys need to witness your perseverance, too, and know that the force of your will is in the hearts and minds of every female. Such drive, determination, duty and character have helped to make this country a superpower.

Even though no woman has been president up to now, every woman has given endless amounts of sweat, blood and true grit to make this nation what it is today. There would be no America if women had folded under the strain of childbirth or if women hadn't endured the misery of scratching out a living from the land, traveling across the vastness of our countryside. Women have been treated like chattel and second-class citizens, working in sweat shops, remaining in the shadows endlessly serving others and maintaining the home front while their sons come home from the wars. Still, women make only 77 cents for every dollar that men earn. Don't quit. Our men and boys need to see you go the distance.

...

People need to see a real convention with all of the political wrangling and elbowing. So many conventions in the last 30 years have been neatly staged.

The power elite control the outcome. Give the convention back to the people. They need to see politics being made like sausage from the squeal to the plate. For America's sake and our way of life, don't quit.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:57 PM
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18. Freaky Deaky n/t
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