So Harold Ickes is on the Rules and Bylaws Committee, eh?

[Hugabear]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a5uudHyXIw_w&refer=home

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With Obama, an Illinois senator, leading Clinton in backing from superdelegates and the pledged delegates awarded through primaries and caucuses, the Clinton campaign is pressing to seat the delegations from Florida and Michigan and give them full votes at the nominating convention.

``We are urging 100 percent of the delegations be seated and each delegate have a full vote,'' Clinton campaign adviser Harold Ickes said. Ickes, a member of Rules and Bylaws Committee, made the comment on a conference call with reporters.

Hartina Flournoy, another Clinton supporter who sits on Rules and Bylaws Committee, said the Clinton campaign is not considering a compromise.

``There is one number we are going to be satisfied with and that is 2.3 million people having their vote counted,'' Flournoy said on the campaign's conference call.
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So these people were on the Rules Committee that decided the punishment for Michigan and Florida? Just curious, did they voice their opposition to the penalties at the time? Did they lobby for Florida and Michigan go keep all of their delegates? Does anyone have any info showing how they voted?

After all, they wouldn't be hypocrites, would they?

[bunnies]

1. Ickes voted to strip MI and FL of their delegates.

par for the course. :eyes:

adding link: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/16/671358.aspx

"On Florida and Michigan, the campaign again said voters in those states should not be “disenfranchised” and that the states were important to the Democratic Party's fortunes. Ickes also said Clinton didn't vote on the DNC rules.

But Ickes did. And he voted in August to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates as a sitting member of the Rules and Bylaws Commission."

[Hugabear]

6. Why does that not surprise me. I would LOVE to see a Hillary supporter defend that.

Seems to me that Ickes was wholeheartedly involved in this whole "disenfranchisement".

[bunnies]

7. I'd love to see the rationalization myself.

But every time Ive asked... all Ive heard is hypocrickets.

[Triana]

2. Hypocrites, sidewinders, scumbags, manipulators - yea. n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. Ickes is at the exact heart of the hypocrisy.

It's fun to watch him spin and twirl.

[NC_Nurse]

4. Why, you could even say BRAZEN or SHAMELESS hypocrites...

[WeDidIt]

5. Clinton's supporters all supported the sanctions

now they are flip floppety flop flipping all over themselves.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/19/143242/56">Fuck that shit!

[CakeGrrl]

8. Hopefully the only thing keeping the DNC from setting the record straight with the public

...is allowing the primaries to finish so that Camp Clinton can't whine that they're being pushed out of the race.

After that, the DNC should issue a plain-English, unequivocal statement explaining:

1) The rules that were established before the primaries and who was involved (Clinton staffers) in that process;

2) The pledge to which ALL candidates agreed

3) Who was responsible for violating the rules.

The Clinton campaign has demonstrated outrageous hubris in creating their own version of 'reality'. I hope that completing the primaries is all that's keeping Howard Dean and the DNC from calling their bluff as complete hypocrites and liars on the issue of these two states.

[Carolina]

9. K&R

they voted for the rules and were fine with them until they were behind:

Harold Ickes, one of Hillary's representatives on the Rules Committee who voted for the rule barring counting the Michigan and Florida votes, and Hillary's chief negotiator of this issue, was asked recently on one of the Sunday morning political talk shows, "You voted for the Rules Committee decision, but now you are complaining about it. What has changed?" Ickes replied, "What has changed is that now we are behind." So, there it is - there is not an ounce of principle in the Clinton position. When they thought they were ahead in the presidential race, they supported the rule, but now that they are behind, they don't like it. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the rest of us could act like the Clintons and support rules when they favor us and ignore them when they don't?

http://www.alternet.org/election08/86359/?page=entire

[Hugabear]

10. At least Ickes admits that he's a fucking hypocrite

"What has changed is that now we are behind"

A perfectly legitimate excuse for overturning the rules in the middle of the contest! :rofl::rofl:

[Carolina]

11. yes, Ickes admits how icky he is

[Honeycombe8]

12. I believe that Ickes was one of those who actually WROTE those rules. Ironic, isn't it?

He's a cutthroat political operative who does things shamelessly this way, in the Rovian way.

I think he was one of those who actually wrote the rules that FL & MI broke, concurred in the "punishment," and now has changed his position 360 degrees, after joining the Clinton camp.

Same thing with...whatshisname? That guy who reminds me Tom Dashel....His last name starts with "A." Well, him, too.