Just a reminder: Senator Clinton already lost her presidential bid.

[phrigndumass]

She fought a tough battle, but it just wasn't enough.

On May 6, we reported after the North Carolina and Indiana contests and after a complete analysis that "We believe that we have a Mathematical Presumptive Nominee of the Democratic Party."

Just a few days later, on May 10, Senator Obama had picked up enough superdelegate endorsements for us to analyze the data again and declare that Senator Clinton was now mathematically out of the race. (She had reached the Huckabee Index.) We also showed you exactly where the remaining needed delegates would come from for Senator Obama to put the race out of reach of Senator Clinton.

Then on May 14, just a few more days later, Senator Edwards endorsed Senator Obama, and many of Senator Edwards' pledged delegates followed suit and backed Obama. We analyzed that information, and once again showed exactly how Senator Obama will cross the finish line.

Some of you may suggest that the decisions on Michigan and Florida will change the outcome of the race, but it won't (I've covered that).

Some of you may suggest that any and all delegates can change their minds and support a different candidate. That's true, for the most part, and it's already happening (14 switches so far), but not in the direction you desire.

Some of you may even suggest that Clinton has a much better chance of winning the General Election because of current polls. That would be impossible, simply because a candidate cannot possibly win the General Election if s/he didn't win the party's nomination.

With all due respect, supporters of Senator Clinton could come up with a million different scenarios to propel her candidacy, but absolutely none of them work unless she becomes our party's presidential nominee. As we've already shown, that goat won't graze.

[elocs]

1. "...a candidate cannot possibly win the General Election if s/he didn't win the party's nomination."

Picky, picky, picky.

That goat won't graze and that dog won't hunt.

[phrigndumass]

3. It's funny how different regions of the country have different ways of saying the same thing

IIRC, "that goat won't graze" is a Great Lakes/High Plains term. I'm not sure, but I think "that dog won't hunt" is an Eastern/Southeastern term.

We drink "soda" around here. :D

[rox63]

5. We still drink "tonic" where I live

They even have that term on the signs in some supermarkets over the soda aisle.

Edit: In case you didn't guess, I'm a Masshole.

[phrigndumass]

8. hehe ... Masshole :)

I'm Ill and Noisy. :D

[rebel with a cause]

14. I'm Ill and noisy also

if that stands for Illinois. Never heard that one, so funny and so true for all of us here, ;)

[masshole]

57. what?

:hi:

[rebel with a cause]

11. that dog won't hunt is said in SI

and we use to drink sodie, but now it is soda. I lived in NYC for eight years and when I came back I laughed my head off at the "sodie" thing, hurt my families feelings. I still haven't accepted that I use to say it also. :rofl:

[phrigndumass]

16. Ha! Also a NYC implant here

I was born and raised in Queens (Elmhurst) but I've been Ill and Noisy since college. The maternal unit is a proud hillbilly, so grew up saying both "y'all" and "youse" :D

[rebel with a cause]

25. I always said younse

but in college they said it didn't sound professional, so I switched to you all. ;).

I am in the southern part of the state, so the southern ties here are strong. They call us more Ozarkian than Illinoisan. I guess we are really somewhere in between the two ideals of North and South, but here close to SIU is the place to live (as far as I'm concerned it seems more liberal) if you are going to live in the southern section of the state. Where do you live?

[phrigndumass]

27. That's a nice area down there

Carterville ... Carbondale ... West Frankfort. I have a sister who lives in Vienna, very close to you. That's another one of those Illinois pronunciations: Vienna, with the I pronounced as "eye". I'm in Springfield, which is near Athens, with the A pronounced as "ay".

[rebel with a cause]

33. I am in Carterville now, but prefer Carbondale

My kids do not like to go to West Frankfort and that area. That area is where I grew up and where my family lives still, but is too white for us. You are more in the Plains part of the state, and that area is very pretty. We are a little hilly, meaning we have a lot of little hills. ;)

Yes, I mispronounce the towns around here all the time because I go with the way they are said elsewhere. Of course, I mispronounce a lot of words, and area has nothing to do with it. I hate to admit that I have that in common with bush. UGH!!! I's rather go on calling it the Norm Cosby desease, but he is long gone.

[JVS]

23. you live in pop country

[phrigndumass]

24. Nah, pop country is about an hour north lol

and about three hours south, they call it "coke", no matter what brand of soda it is. We had a family get-together here this last weekend and the debate ensued.

"Soda has ice cream in it"

"No, soda is carbonated tonic water"

"Goddammit, just shut the fuck up about it and hand me a beer"

:7

[rebel with a cause]

26. When I was nineteen I lived in Indiana for about a year

and when I ordered a soda I got an ice cream soda. I about died. :rofl:

Hey, that proves I didn't say sodie when I was younger.....maybe...

[Hissyspit]

52. Raise all over the place, but originally from Arkansas...

I have always said "coke," and honestly it was usually a Coke. Used soft drinks sometimes, too.

I like "fizzy drink," though.

[elocs]

28. Growing up in Wisconsin in the 50s & 60s we called it "pop" until I got into high school

and then it was cool to call it a soda. There is also a thing about drinking fountains and bublers. We call them "bublers" here and many people don't know what we are talking about. Another term is "anymore" where we use it in a negative sense such as, "It doesn't rain much anymore", but I have a friend from Iowa where they use it positively such as, "There's plenty of rain anymore".

[phrigndumass]

36. I've never heard the term bublers, lol (n/t)

[elocs]

50. I even had it spelled wrong, it is "bubblers" instead of drinking fountains.

From Wikipedia:

The Bubbler was developed in 1888 by the then-small Kohler Water Works (now Kohler Company) in Kohler, Wisconsin, which was already well-known for its faucet production. While Harlan Huckleby is credited with the actual design, it was Kohler that patented it and trademarked the name. The original Bubbler shot water one inch straight into the air, creating a bubbling texture, and the excess water ran back down over the sides of the nozzle. It was years before the bubbler adapted the arc projection, which allowed the drinker to partake more easily.

The Bubbler concept took off and there were many copies. Since the name was trademarked, other companies named their fountains "The Gurgler" and "The Gusher". In the end, the generic term "drinking fountain" became the standard term used in American English for a device that shoots water into the air for purpose of drinking.

Current usage of term

The term is still used in several regional dialects of the United States, originating in eastern Wisconsin. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan, states in New England, as well as Australia also use the term. Oregon is also known to be quite familiar with the term, specifically in the Portland region where in the late 1800s Simon Benson installed 20 fountains which are now known in the Portland area as "Benson Bubblers".

In my city of La Crosse it is still common to see cast iron bubblers from the early 1900s near the older city parks so people could get a drink. It may seem quaint, but it is very nice.

[Orsino]

12. *CoughLiebermancough*

But point generally taken.

[BlooInBloo]

15. Hm. I guess Clinton's campaign is even more groundbreaking than I realized.

[phrigndumass]

37. lol "groundbreaking"

They certainly dug a hole for themselves. :7

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

47. but... but... but... but... but... she's WINING

Senator Clinton says so, and she never lies

If you don't count caucuses, don't count primaries west of the Mississippi, double-count states with FAIR primaries not held on Tuesdays

she is way, way ahead in the popular vote.

She carried the "hard working WHITE" voters in Kentucky by 41%

The non-voters of Puerto Rico should sweep her into victory on Saturday

Plus, on Saturday the only FAIR thing the party can do is give her ALL the Michigan votes and that upstart none.

You are obviously being purely sexist and NOT giving her the respect she has earned.

(sorry for the snark but this is so freaking silly - and sad that it is hurting the party)

[EOTE]

49. Welcome to DU!

Hilary has never been one to accept things like "mathematical impossibilities". She just laughs and brushes it off like Han Solo.

[beac]

53. IBW, I feel like I am unconsciously following you around the boards...

I read something that I 100% agree with and look up at the user and, sure enough, it's "IllinoisBirdWatcher" for the win yet again!

Bravo or Brava, as the case may be! (again)


(edited for gender-inclusive Italian cheer ;) )

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

58. Thanks for the kind words, beac

I just try to call them the way I see them. I have seen so much dishonesty coming out from only one campaign that after years of lurking I've been compelled to post recently.
Thanks again.

[phrigndumass]

59. Welcome to DU, I like your handle ...

Do you know much about blue herons? My creek is a summer home for a blue heron, huge! (Also in Illinois.) It's wingspan is at least six feet.

To add to your snark, she's whining, not winning. :7

[fight4my3sons]

2. k&r

[Spazito]

4. Geez, you are such a nag with your numerical FACTS!

Don't you know the delusional ones don't like these reminders, how mean of you to keep reminding them!



Recommended.

[phrigndumass]

6. LOL! I think it slipped their mind ...

Very proud to be a mean old nag, it's a great demographic. :patriot:

[IDemo]

7. But, but, it's a WHITE WORKING GOAT!!

[phrigndumass]

9. It may eat the furniture, but it won't chaw on grass :)

These goats have legwarmers and sip lattes and avoid Olive Garden. :D

[Marnieworld]

10. Elitist!

You and your high-falutin' math! You think you're so special with all your facts and charts. They are biased! All that matters is the counting of votes and only the right votes in the right places. When you do that it's obvious she won. Unless you are using a sexist calculator. It's all perfectly simple.

:D

[phrigndumass]

13. LOL ... Taylor Marsh, is that you? hehe ...

Yer killin' me! :D

[TheDoorbellRang]

17. I've figured out the math she's using -- Chaos Theory

:7

[phrigndumass]

18. A "Get Smart" reference lol ... Is that anything like regression theory? :)

Or, if she could prove us wrong on the laws of gravity, would she still be well-grounded?

phnyorca! :7

[TheDoorbellRang]

31. No, no. There really IS a division of math called Chaos Theory

See here. One example of it is more familiarly known as the butterfly effect.

I propose a new name for the Clinton surrogates that continue to say she can win --
Mandelbrot's Fractals.:freak:


:D

[phrigndumass]

35. Cool ... I've heard the term disambiguation :)

I remember Mandelbrot fractals from Linear Algebra (25 years ago, gawd!) ... regular roughness!

[DeeDeeNY]

38. Here ya go

A Get Smart reference would have been to Kaos, not Chaos:

http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/kagents.html

[Clark2008]

43. I thought the reference was to Jurassic Park

Ian (played by the cutie-pie, Jeff Goldblum) explains this to Dr. Sadler (Laura Dern) while they're riding in the Jeep around the Park.

[mod mom]

44. from Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" GOP Cross-over Votes:

▪ What might have actually happened in Ohio and Texas? Tin foil hat?
▪ Clip:
: "Rush, I understand that the Rush Limbaugh audience is mobilizing in Texas for Hillary. Am I hearing that right?"

: "I don't know if the audience is mobilizing or not. I am urging people — I am using a phrase — the Republicans — our nominee is chosen. It's John McCain.

Texas is open. And I want Hillary to stay in this, Laura. This is too good a soap opera. We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically, and it's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it and don't have the stomach for it.

As you probably know, we're getting all kinds of memos from the RNC saying not to be critical there. Mark MacKinnon of McCain's campaign says he'll quit if they get critical over Obama.

This is the presidency of the United States you're talking about. I want our party to win. I want the Democrats to lose. They're in the midst of tearing themselves apart right now. It is fascinating to watch, and it's all going to stop if Hillary loses.

So yes, I'm asking to cross over and, if they can stomach it — I know it's a difficult thing to do to vote for a Clinton — but it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need. It would be fun, too."

http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=609&Itemid=113



Can GOP Voters Spoil the Dem Race?
Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2008By HILARY HYLTON/AUSTIN

As if Democrats didn't have enough problems deciding upon their presidential nominee this year, now they must contend with the possibility that Republicans are deliberately crossing party lines to prolong the bitterly contested race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. In recent weeks, conservative talk radio stars Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham have urged loyal listeners to vote for the much-despised Clinton in open Democratic primaries so as to prevent Obama from sealing the nomination, and there are some indications that their calls have already been heeded in states like Texas and Mississippi.

Even in the crucial swing state of Pennsylvania, where the April 22 primary is closed to independents and Republicans, there are signs that some Republicans are going so far as to switch their party registration by the March 24 deadline to participate in what Limbaugh has dubbed "Operation Chaos." In the last five months, there has been a 2.2% increase in the number of registered Democrats in Pennsylvania versus a tiny dip of 0.12% in Republican numbers. Veteran Pennsylvania pollster Terry Madonna expects some 100,000 new Democrats to vote on April 22, about 5% of the total expected to vote. In historic Gettysburg, Adams County Elections Supervisor Monica Dutko told the local newspaper, The YorkDaily Record, she was a seeing an unprecedented steady stream of switchers, some of whom volunteered they were changing registration from Republican to Democrat at the urging of Limbaugh.

Madonna, however, believes most of those new Dems will go for Obama, which goes against the Limbaugh conspiracy theory. It is also exactly what the upstart candidate himself has been working toward. Obama, who until recently was winning the lion's share of Republican votes in open Democratic primaries, is running radio ads in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia calling on voters to register as Democrats this week.
The first clue that Republicans might be making this kind of mischief came in the crucial Texas primary on March 4, a contest that most observers claimed Clinton had to win — along with Ohio — to keep alive her hopes for the nomination. Dave Mann, a political writer for the progressive Texas Observer, was driving to Fort Worth on that primary day when he heard various callers to the Laura Ingraham radio show claiming they had followed her and Limbaugh's call. One even admitted he would now have to go to confession and repent his sins. As he listened, Mann dismissed the idea that Republicans would have a significant impact on the Democratic outcome in Texas.

-snip
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1723756,00.html

[Spazito]

19. Welllll, I will take your numerical FACTS and raise you....

the "shmopular vote"! How do you like them shmapples!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6156919

Edited to fix the shmerror.

[phrigndumass]

21. Don't forget shmelectability!

LOL ... that's a great post :rofl:

[TexasObserver]

20. She's beat like a rented mule!

When she concedes, like a decent human being would have long ago, I'll cut her some slack.

[rebel with a cause]

30. Just heard on CNN a few minutes ago

That she is continuing no matter what. She is planning on going on until the convention at least, maybe after that, who knows. She may still be running from this campaign in 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024, etc. She is two years younger than I am, if she is 60, but evidentually she has not learned as much as I have about letting go. It is a lot easier to do when you accept that every goal cannot be reached and every race cannot be won. It is not neccesarily your fault for losing, but life is just sometimes like that and you are a much healthier person to let go when it is unless and harmful to hang on. Becoming full of hate is more harmful to yourself than it is to the person you hate. This is too preachy but will post it anyway.

[Spazito]

32. Well, in Hillary's reality-based world, there is always....

Mars! Let the martians be counted!!

[Perry Logan]

22. What a coincidence! Barack Obama has already lost HIS Presidential bid!

[Richard Steele]

29. Breaking news, Perry:

[papapi]

34. This is/was wonderful news!

Chaos theory - is that where it happens in a billion-guzillion years?

[VotesForWomen]

67. heh. good one. so true. nt

[DeeDeeNY]

39. We all know she lost her presidential bid, but she's not buying that

Until she acknowledges this, McLame gets a free ride and the Dems are screwed. Meanwhile, the goalposts keep moving.

[DemVet]

40. There is no Nominee...yet.

[phrigndumass]

41. Thanks for kicking my thread!

:loveya:

[DemVet]

45. No problem.

:beer:

[TexasObserver]

42. Generalismo Francisco Franco and Hillary's Campaign are still dead.

Chevy Chase told me.

[phrigndumass]

46. A year from now, this will still be comedy gold ...

"In today's headlines, President Obama's first 100 days in office are viewed favorably by 90% of Americans in a new poll; and in other news, Hillary Clinton is still running."

:rofl:

[Time for change]

48. Thank you for the reminder and all the analyses

It's about time that Democrats began concentrating on the far more important task of winning the GE.

[Kaleko]

51. Without phrign's number-crunching skills

to keep my head above water at crucial times, I would have sunk into a suicidal depression. I kid you not.

You have no idea how much it helped when you posted those irrefutable figures.

:loveya:

[phrigndumass]

60. Thanks, love ya back!

Happy to help, Kaleko!

:loveya:

[grantcart]

54. The other thing I would add is that there is no such thing as a popular vote

[phrigndumass]

61. Yup, the purpose of votes is to select delegates. We've covered that, too.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/phrigndumass/29

:D

[grantcart]

62. well actually I was meaning there simply is no popular vote

there are some popular vote totals in some contests in other contests like Iowa even the Caucus totals are not released.

There literally is nothing to add.

[Willo]

55. K&R nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

56. thanks you -- reality is painful for all of us sometimes -- but it is still reality

[Rosa Luxemburg]

63. Wake me up next week

so I can open my eyes and see Obama nominated! Finally!

[phrigndumass]

64. Check. Alarm clock. Set for June 4. Party! =)

There'll be many celebration threads, I'm sure!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

65. I do hope so

[VotesForWomen]

66. If O had the nomination already, this discussion wouldn't be taking place, now would it? nt

[phrigndumass]

68. You mean the discussion that Hillary lost?

That discussion?

The one where Hillary lost?

Did I mention she lost?

The Dem version of Mike Huckabee lost.

P.S. She lost.

[phrigndumass]

73. ...

[FedoraLV]

69. K & R /nt

[RNdaSilva]

70. Spot on...

per usual.

[Douglas Carpenter]

71. thank you for reminding people of the world of reality!!

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

"Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Democrats a 61.5% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[phrigndumass]

72. With this kick, I remind them again :)

:kick: