PREDICTION: If FL & MI aren't fully seated, Hillary takes it to the convention

[Fire_brand]

It gives her an argument to keep going, and I believe she will. Which is why I believe they should seat them as is, even though it's not completely fair, because Obama still wins and it gets Hillary out of the race ASAP.

[SurfingAtWork]

1. If I thought that seating FL & MI as is would be enough to placate her I would agree with you.

However I am fairly certain that she is taking this to the convention regardless of what happens.

[RaleighNCDUer]

2. Agree. nt

[Fire_brand]

4. maybe, but it would make her crusade less legitimate

"the superdelegates haven't voted yet" isn't as strong an argument as "count all the votes"

[endarkenment]

3. prediction: Clinton takes it to the convention.

No preconditions required.

[Max_powers94]

5. No good...Not good at all

[GihrenZabi]

6. Wouldn't that spell her political end?

When Obama gains the magic number to claim the nomination, then doesn't Hillary just become nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted away; and what does that spell for her political future in a Senate where she can't gain seniority for a decade or more and will now be seen as even more divisive, politically disloyal, and overtly self-serving?

[AllentownJake]

9. She doesn't care

She's been on Kamikaze since NC.

[suston96]

23. North Carolina?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Interactive. Click North Carolina and be surprised........

[AllentownJake]

24. I know about the poll

Hillary has been all but mathmatically eliminated since NC.

I count delegates recieved out of legit contest where both parties participate and campaign not polls of 500-1000 people.

[suston96]

27. I only count polls that favor my candidate.....doesn't everybody....? nt

[AllentownJake]

28. I've

attacked polling for a while. Polling has damaged our democracy IMHO leaders don't do what they think is right but do what they think is popular based on 1000 phonecalls.

[suston96]

32. Polling is a business and actually dependable in certain applications......

Polling is used in commercial industry for product exploration and acceptability and such.

Political polling is another thing but it is still relied on by politicians and others when it comes to raising money and the like.

I would never bet my mortgage payments on any polling, however.

[suston96]

29. What's the problem? Conventions have to seat delegates and vote....That's the process....

Maybe not too many people here remember how nominating conventions work.

McCain doesn't seem to have any competition left but he still has to go through the convention. That's the process.

Anything can happen between now and then. In fact, stuff can happen even after the convention picks a nominee. Remember 1972?

The Vice Presidential nominee, Tom Eagleton, backed 1000% by Presidential nominee McGovern?

[AllentownJake]

31. McGovern should have never

dropped Eagleton. He was the only one in Washington who had a peice of paper proving he was sane.

[endarkenment]

13. Their view is that the SD's can be persuaded up until the vote.

With that rationalization in place, and with their strong conviction that (mostly due to turmoil within the party created by their strong convictions) Obama cannot win the GE, they will continue to demand the nomination.

I could be wrong and a big unifying event could happen next week. I'm even fine with the unity ticket, although the reality is that I cannot stand the Clintons anymore. If that is what it takes to end this - so be it. I just don't see them giving up, ever.

[Fire_brand]

14. If all the delegates are seated, yes it would

but if they're not, she can claim she went to the convention to "fight for the votes"

[AllentownJake]

26. She's going there anyway

Why give her more delegates on the floor to cause trouble.

[beachmom]

7. If we mimic the GOP (50% of delegates seated), she really has little to fight on.

She is an idiot to take it to the convention and so are any of her supporters who continue to prop her up. They will be responsible for a McCain presidency, and I will NEVER forgive them or her for such a betrayal.

[greguganus]

10. It's all about what hillary and her supporters want. Damn the party! n/t

[Fire_brand]

15. Oh, I didn't know that what the GOP did, I thought they counted them all

[AllentownJake]

8. Nope

The party has to keep its ability to enforce rules. If a mob can cause rule changes it sets bad precedent. No placating the JR. War Monger from New York.

[Fire_brand]

16. My cheif concern right now is how all this affects Obama

[AllentownJake]

21. So is mine

and I know if you give a war monger an inch they'll force you to take a mile. See George W. Bush 2001-2008's record.

No placating the war monger she's going to act with bad intent unless the party hands her the nomination and she isn't getting that.

[Redbear]

11. She cant do that if fully seating wouldnt give her the nod

This race will be over one way or the other sometime next week.

[Orangepeel]

12. They'll seat 1/2 of them. The Florida appeal doesn't even ask for all.

They asked for all of the superdelegatges and 1/2 of the pledged delegates.

Besides, if Clinton is looking for an excuse, she'd find another one.

[Fire_brand]

18. Didn't know that about the FL appeal

I can't see her going to the convention with the "they haven't voted yet" argument.

But, just when I think she can't surprise me anymore, she somehow manages to...

[earthside]

17. Kind of a nut.

That's what is going to become of her political reputation for a long time to come if she pursues this Michigan-Florida situation after Obama has the necessary delegate commitments to be nominated.

She might just do it, however, as recent statements by she and her husband already demonstrate a certain disconnect from reality.

Yup ... crazy old Hillary.

[book_worm]

19. If she does she will be finished in the Dem party and hopefully somebody will challenge her in NY

[Spider Jerusalem]

20. No, she won't, and no, it doesn't.

She has no argument, because a 50% delegate penalty is IN THE RULES as the MINIMUM punishment for violation of the DNC-sanctioned primary calendar.

[iamthebandfanman]

22. i dont care what she does

i didnt fight the last 8 years for change in government just to have people from our own god damn party fuck it up.

there will be HELL to pay for anyone who stands in the way of the person who was nominated. i didnt wait this long just to watch the clintons have an ego meltdown and throw a hissy fit.

[kennetha]

25. The Rules Committee CAN'T seat the entire delegation!

Only the credentials committee can. So of course it will go to the credentials committee.

[crankychatter]

30. A major SD move could ameliorate the harm... so Obama can claim "Presumptive Nominee" status

and campaign unfettered

after ALL, that is the BIG deal... to register voters and campaign against McCain.

[CanonRay]

33. PREDICTION: The sun comes up in the East, Hillary takes it to the convention.