Bush is Osama's Man! And here's proof!

[Qutzupalotl]

I've had it up to here (points at own eyeballs) with all this bullcrap on the net that "Kerry is Osama's man/Bush is my man." Far too many people think that because Bush launched a war on Terra, the terrorists must be hoping Kerry will win. Guess what? Al Qaeda released a statement contradicting that bit of fabrication. It's gotten limited media attention, but here is some ammunition you can use. Please bookmark this thread so you can call out the bullshitters when needed. Write your local papers, etc.
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The statement said it (Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade, claiming to have links with al Qaeda, and which claimed responsibility for the Madrid bombings) supported U.S. President George W. Bush in his reelection campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader "more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom."

In comments addressed to Bush, the group said: "Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilisation. Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040317/325/eotq9.html
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Hell, even FOX NEWS carried a similar story. An edited statement, but a more convincing source for the lost souls:
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The statement tells American voters that Abu Hafs al-Masri supports the re-election campaign of President Bush: "We are very keen that Bush does not lose the upcoming elections."

The statement said Abu Hafs al-Masri needs what it called Bush's "idiocy and religious fanaticism" because they would "wake up" the Islamic world.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114489,00.html
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I hope all of you will use this in your online encounters. Act surprised that people haven't heard this already. Be diplomatic--remember that our goal is to convert where possible--but be heavily, heavily armed with the truth!

[truhavoc]

1. You know this is going to be spun as "mind games"

Something along the lines of "the terrorist is just saying this to get Kerry elected". I've heard that when i've brought it up before.

[Qutzupalotl]

2. That may be true,

but you'll have to ask the person in question whether they're just rationalizing their own preconceived notions in defiance of contradictory evidence.

In other words, if the terrorist organization had said they were supporting Kerry, they'd believe it without question, wouldn't they?

A holy war is what the terrorists want. That's what Bush has in common with them.

[Qutzupalotl]

6. To clarify,

People who believe "Kerry is Osama's man" will believe it regardless of whether evidence is presented supporting or disputing it.

I believe if I were shown evidence that Bin Laden specifically wanted Kerry, I might be upset and say he was misinformed, but I wouldn't reject it out of hand. That's the distinction I was trying to make.

Such a revelation would sink Kerry. However, we have been given a golden opportunity with these quotes. I say we use them!

[progdonkey]

3. maybe I'm wrong, but I think that group is fake

I might be remembering the name wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade is a fake group. I read in an article which criticized the recent terror alert that one of the problems was that the intelligence was based in part on information from Abu Hafs, which the author described as "an discredited outfit believed to consist of one guy and a fax machine." Of course, this could all be disinformation, but if you believe this group is actually linked to al-Qaeda then you have to accept that the recent terror alert was completely justified, which the circumstances of the timing and announcements argue strongly against.

Regardless, even if this group really is linked to al-Qaeda, don't you think it's possible they'd release a statement saying they want Bush to win, when in fact they're frightened of him, hoping it would get voters to kick him out and make it easier for them? I mean, you're saying we should trust without question the (possible) statements of al-Qaeda. Might as well say we should trust every statement from Bush!

[Qutzupalotl]

4. I'm not saying we should trust it without question,

I'm saying they shouldn't dismiss it without evidence. I would say this constitutes a piece of evidence, which should be weighed against whatever else is out there. I have not seen anything to discredit the group. Do you have a link?

don't you think it's possible they'd release a statement saying they want Bush to win, when in fact they're frightened of him,
I don't dispute that. It is possible. But their resoning about Kerry makes perfect sense. A frontal assault is what they want. A lack of recruits is what they fear, and Kerry can accomplish this. Bush cannot. He will fall into their trap every time.

hoping it would get voters to kick him out and make it easier for them?
Now that I take issue with. Why would Kerry make things easier on the terrorists? Aren't their recruitments increasing dramatically now that we've bungled Iraq?

[progdonkey]

13. link

This is unfortunately not a link to the specific article I read, but it includes the same general info on the group.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/12/spain.blasts.alqaeda/">http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/12/spain.blasts.alqaeda/

[AmerDem]

5. NO, here is the REAL PROOF!

[Qutzupalotl]

12. LOL

Don't they make a cute couple?

Hey guys--get a room!

[jackieforthedems]

7. If They Want Him, Let's Send Him There After Kerry Is Elected

If they want Bush so darn bad, then let's send him there with a one way plane ticket after Kerry is elected. That's where he should be anyway. Maybe he can be their next President. P.S. We need a smiley of one smiley kicking another smiley to the moon. Lol.

[LuLu550]

8. Think about it...

I heard this stuff months ago, too. So what does the right say? Kerry is Osama's guy! Bush was AWOL, so what does the right do? Full court press on Kerry's medals.

You don't need to be a freakin' rocket scientist, or the best political strategist to figure this stuff out...where ever Bush is weak, he attacks Kerry and every other Dem. We get so caught up defending against the "Swift Boat Liars" that the Bush AWOL story slips off the front page....

Makes me sick...but watch the news the next few days and weeks. Whatever bubbles up to the top that is bad for Bush, they will hit Kerry twice as hard within the week...

[Qutzupalotl]

10. Yes.

You've hit on a great strategy for defusing the right's attacks. Whatever they say about us, first look to see if they're doing it themselves. Odds are, you'll find a gold mine. :)

Their proud hypocritical stances are their Achilles' heel. They're so predictable. But that just makes our job easier.

[CarolynEC]

9. Some talking points (aka Carolyn's rant)...

... on why a Bush victory is in Osama bin Laden's interest:

1. Bin Laden attacked us on our own soil, killing 3,000 people, and Bush let him walk away.

2. Bin Laden warned his followers that America was out to take over Arab states. Bush made the prediction come true.

3. Bin Laden wanted to splinter the West, pitting old allies against each other. Bush went right along with the plan.

4. Bin Laden boasted he would "cleanse the Islamic holy land of infidels." Bush complied by ordering US forces out of Saudi Arabia and urging Americans to flee the Saudi peninsula.

5. Bin Landen boasted he could bring down a superpower just like Russia in Afghanistan. Bush has us bogged down in Iraq, unable to get control despite all our military strength.

George W. Bush is the best thing that ever happened to Osama bin Laden. There's no question bin Laden benefits if Bush is re-elected: four more years of America playing into the terrorists' hands at every turn.

[Qutzupalotl]

11. Thank you, Carolyn. These are good points.

Though to be fair, I was supporting #4 all along. I didn't see why we were maintaining a presence in Saudi Arabia when it was inflammatory to the Muslim world, and Yemen was available. But most people don't know that Bush caved on this issue, so it's definitely useable as an eye-opener.

[hope42mro]

14. Excellent points. I fear WWIII with attacks on Najaf holy shrine....

Afterall, what could please the fundamentalist militant leaders more than America desecrating Islam's house of God? I can hear them now "See, I told you they fight to destroy Islam. We must protect Islam and destroy the infidels first!" How outraged would the Republicans be if terrorists attacked a Christiam church. My guess: very upset. And they haven't been in poverty with religion as our only source of spiritual strength, whereas many young muslims have.

Shoot up their mosque. That'll help keep us safe. Riiiiiigghhhttt....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. 6. Bush has done everything Bin Laden hoped for

6. Bush has done everything Bin Laden hoped for.

6a. Bush has created tens of thousands of new terrorists.

6b. Bush has curtailed American liberties.

6c. Bush has alienated America's traditional allies among people around the world.

6d. Bush has made it impossible for the US to claim the high road on human rights for many years to come, due to the prison scandals.

6e. Bush has divided Americans, not united them.

There are probably more items that could be added to this list.

[DinahMoeHum]

16. "Osama's man", NPK? Osama's Bitch is more like it. . .

seeing that the Bushies, the bin Ladens and the Saudi royal family are pally with each other.


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