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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:01 PM
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Clinton Supporters: Is it wrong for Nader to run in the General Election?
Edited on Tue May-27-08 01:24 PM by Oregone
(Even if it "steals" a victory from the Democrats)?

Because it is entirely possibly that every democratic presidential candidate (and replacement) is assassinated before November. Wouldn't he be preserving democracy by allowing us to vote for him, when he is the best remaining choice on the ballot? Shouldn't we support his run, in the face of this improbable possibility?

But wait, isn't Nader Satan's boyfriend? How can we support his run if he shits deamon spawn? How can we cheer him on, this "fighter", who wants "every vote counted" if he vacations in purgetory and eats kittens?

This is a real moral dilemna....but we know the facts, that assassinations can happen. So, despite what we know about him, about his chances, about his impact and the race, shouldn't we cheer his run on (or at least, not call for him to quit)?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:04 PM
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1. curious about why you would think it was wrong?
the onus is on the voters to make an intelligent choice.
Everyone who runs for President has an inflated ego.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:08 PM
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3. Oh, I never said it was wrong
But judging by this board, it seems 95% of people loathe Nader, and Id assume Clinton supporters would follow suite. But the argument, in any context, can be made that an assassination (or series) can render a candidate like Nader the best choice, and hence, this assassination logic (if permissable) should justify his run.

I just want to see anti-Nader, pro-Hillary people tackle the moral dillemna, being that they probably allready accept the assassination justification as valid, and yet view his candidacy as "evil".
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:07 PM
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2. He's entitled to run,
so is Barr.

:shrug:
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:09 PM
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4. Nader who?
;-)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:09 PM
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5. Now that you mention it...
the similarities are striking.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:11 PM
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6. Anyone can run, but he will be largely marginalized and ignored.
He got 0.38% of the vote in 2004, and is irrelevant.

Bob Barr will be the "major" small time third party guy this year.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:15 PM
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8. Thanks, and I agree
It seems like a large amount of people do not though and do not think his run is even permissable (though I do not see them posting here). Many try to cast blame upon his shoulders for a stolen election and a shitty Supreme Court decision, as if his run (and future attempts) are an unjust act of squashing liberalism and US democracy (melodramatic paraphrasing). Those are more the people I was posing this question to.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:11 PM
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7. There's some straw leaking out of your dummy.
If the candidate died during the GE, the VP would continue the campaign, so there wouldn't be an issue of the other candidate automatically winning. Not true in the party nominating process.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:17 PM
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9. Well, I did mention there being a series of assassinations....
Edited on Tue May-27-08 01:19 PM by Oregone
So Im just talking out of my ass here to make a pretty unlikely scenerio, where, lets imagine, the most horrible Democrat was the one left standing to play out the rest of the GE (leaving Nader the best choice amongst the rest).

Lets be honest...Hillary's justification for running at this point requires some imagination. My hypothetical requires much more of course.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:24 PM
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11. She's just playing out the game, she's not expecting to win.
Lots of money and alliances tied up in every campaign. There are candidates in upcoming primaries that will benefit from her staying on the ticket. Hell, Dean is probably begging her to keep campaigning--it makes his job a lot easier.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:31 PM
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12. I HIGHLY doubt Dean is begging her to stay in the race.
Edited on Tue May-27-08 01:32 PM by Oregone
I have nothing to base that on but a gut feeling from listening to him talk. I really do not think so. Maybe if she was still campaiging Democratic issues and promoting liberal awareness/understanding. But her tactics are somewhat divisive and crass, which I wouldn't assume Dean would be welcoming of.

With that said, I do think that Nader, in the General, spends a good deal of time talking about liberal issues and the progressive cause (more so than the time he takes bashing Democrats).
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:43 PM
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13. That's a partisan viewpoint. Dean's way above that.
Dean sees behind the curtains, he knows what's going on, even if the voters miss it.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:48 PM
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14. Look, Ive witness Bill Clinton bashing the Democratic Party and praising the Republicans...
for their more "democratic" approach. I cannot see how you would think the chairman of the DNC (who a former president was attacking) would be happy about that continuing. We should agree to disagree on this point.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:20 PM
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10. Not playing- have fun. n/t
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