Bill Clinton is a disappointment and an embarrassment these days...it's so sad to see

[Blue_Roses]

To think that this was a man I greatly admired and DEFENDED time and time again after he blatantly lied. Rather than continue to polarize the party, he needs to be trying to unite the party now. He's saying there is a "cover-up" now about the polls? Good grief, what has happened to him? It's really very sad and I'm pissed that he would continue to try and divide us when he spouts vote "Democratic.".:wtf:

____________________________________________________


Bill Clinton says wife is victim of a ‘cover up’
Posted: 10:55 AM ET

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand
CNN


(CNN) — Former President Bill Clinton said that Democrats were more likely to lose in November if his wife Hillary Clinton is not the party’s presidential nominee, and suggested some people were trying to “cover this up” and “push and pressure and bully” superdelegates to make up their minds prematurely.

"I can’t believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out,” he said at a South Dakota campaign stop Sunday, in remarks first reported by ABC News. “'Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh my goodness, we have to cover this up.'"

--snip--

The current requirement to claim the Democratic presidential nomination is 2,026 delegates, a formula that does not take into account delegates from Florida and Michigan, whose contests were not sanctioned by the party – although if those votes were to be counted as cast, Hillary Clinton would still currently trail rival Barack Obama in the overall delegate count.

The former president said Sunday that the media had unfairly attacked his wife since the Iowa caucuses, repeating an often-used charge that press coverage had made him feel as though he were living in a “fun house.”

"If you notice, there hasn't been a lot of publicity on these polls I just told you about,” he said. “It is the first time you've heard it? Why do you think that is? Why do you think? Don't you think if the polls were the reverse and he was winning the Electoral College against Senator McCain and Hillary was losing it, it would be blasted on every television station?”

He added, “You would know it wouldn't you? It wouldn't be a little secret. And there is another Electoral College poll that I saw yesterday had her over 300 electoral votes…. She will win the general election if you nominate her. They're just trying to make sure you don't."


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

:crazy:

[Democrat 4 Ever]

1. BS and tripe. n/t

[pocoloco]

10. Maybe Paula , Jennifer,or Monica could help!

Bill needs to get out and around a little more. Relieve some of that stress!

[Democrat 4 Ever]

29. Boy, the BO Maniacs are really scare,

And I should vote for your guy, because? This is what his supporters have degenerated to? Ken Starr wannabes? KKKarl not-so-lites?

Paula, Jennifer and Monica - you guys have jumped the shark.

[me b zola]

39. Because you claim to be a "Democrat 4 Ever"

"And I should vote for your guy, because?"

Wasn't it Bill who said that you fall in love in the primaries, you fall in line in the GE? Time to fall in line.

Where do your loyalties lie? What about (big D)Democratic values and principles made you a "Democrat 4 Ever"?

[Democrat 4 Ever]

57. Because I beleive in free elections and not popularity contests.

Sigh...I have stated many times I will vote for Obama if he gets the nomination but that doesn't mean I put my brain on ice and decided to become a moronic robot until then. I have values and principles and don't you dare question them on nothing more than I don't support your need to drink Kool Aid and swear loyalty oaths. This isn't high school and we aren't electing the prom king.

IMHO Obama isn't the best candidate. Never was, never will be but this isn't the General Election and I have the right - no the DUTY - to support whom I think is the best candidate. That Obama is ten times better than McInsane is just a fluke.

[Blue_Roses]

64. that's right. It's not a popularity contest so tell Hillary that and maybe

she will stop talking about having the "popular vote" and using that distorted logic to try and win :eyes:

Secondly, that's fine if you don't want to support Obama for the primary. It's your choice and I respect that. But to lambaste a man who has not done anything to deserve this tripe is beyond the pale. Bill Clinton is not uniting the Democratic party and I hold him--HIM--responsible to hold this party together, after all, many of us HELD HIM TOGETHER after Monica-gate.
Of all the gall, for him to go out and spew such nonsense. I too, value principles as an American citizen and it's MY DUTY as well to call bullshit when it's obvious bullshit.

This isn't about Obama. It's about an election that is six months away and spewing this shit won't help get a Democratic President in office. Do you think people are really going to gravitate toward Hillary after all this nonsense? Wrong. As a Democrat I will vote for whoever the nominee is, but don't expect Independents to feel loyal.

[me b zola]

75. So then why the "And I should vote for your guy...why?"

It seems like a few people are looking for a concession prize, but it really comes off sounding like extortion.

Obama wasn't my first choice--nor my second. Funny thing happened after Edwards left the race, I began listening to what Obama was saying, I mean really listening. I have found Obama to have depth & complexity of thought and a progressive point of reference that I earlier did not realize he possessed. For the first time in many, many years this middle-aged cynic is hopeful and optimistic.

If Kucinich or Edwards--or even Gore--would get back into the race, I would still back Obama. My respect for the other candidates has not diminished, it's just that my respect for Obama has grown immensely. I wish for you a similar journey.

[papau]

55. I agree - Obama smears /campaign by David is GOP lies repeated

[PoliticalAmazon]

30. Actually, it would be Belinda helping now...

[Blue_Roses]

44. who is Belinda?

:shrug:

[PoliticalAmazon]

46. Belinda Stronach, his long-term girlfriend of a few years. n/t

[Blue_Roses]

35. how is it BS and tripe

when it's a fact? Geeze...:eyes:

[PoliticalAmazon]

45. This may be another Bush/Rove tactic...

One of the most insulting, but dependable, Bush/Rove tactics was to blame one of Bush's opponents for what Bush/campaign was actually guilty of, but the opponent was not.

I think Bill's use of the word "coverup" is based in the fact that there is a coverup going on in the Clinton campaign.

I think Bill's statement that the SDs are being badgered is reflective of the over-the-top badjering the Clintons have done of SDs, to the point that some have actually turned to Obama.

[Blue_Roses]

50. it's called projection and that seems to be what he is doing...

I've never said this before about Bill Clinton, but if he's gonna keep spewing this shit, then he needs to STFU!

[PoliticalAmazon]

51. ITA. Whatever his problem is, he needs to be sidelined until he can cope with it. n/t

[Blue_Roses]

52. true. what happened to his "projects" he was working on?

can't he do that ...where is elder Bush? Maybe he could take him golfing:eyes:

[Richard Steele]

2. Bill came out of that lengthy bypass surgery with brain damage.

It's a not-uncommon side effect.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

34. Well, evidentily all the Obama Maniacs have had bypass surgery.

Nothing else could explain the nastiness. Brain damage, finally and explanation. Get well soon.

[PoliticalAmazon]

36. Was he like this before the campaign, though? I can find no evidece...

no reports or anything to indicate that his profound change was present before the campaign.

Yes, many people come out of heart surgery changed, many undergo personality changes, but it doesn't start 6 years after the surgery.

Whatever the deal is, he should not be out in high-profile public arenas making statements because he IS an ex-president, most of whom are respected and looked up to. He's not helping America with is bullshit.

[Richard Steele]

61. Well, what else started 6 years later?

I don't think he was under nearly as much stress before this campaign started.

But whatever the cause, he's clearly not the same these days,
and I agree- he's not helping.

[gateley]

3. I was just coming here to post this -- WTF?

He sounds paranoid.

Bill Clinton's new chapeau: :tinfoilhat:

[livetohike]

5. My thoughts too - "they" are all against them

:scared:. He should go take a long rest somewhere.

[gateley]

9. Those poor Clintons. Always the victims. nt

[CitizenLeft]

4. oh dear God.

He has become poisonous.

"She is winning the general election, and he is not."

I just can't believe this is the same person I enthusiastically supported and voted for, and who I rigorously defended when they tried to throw him out of office. I can't believe it has come to THIS.

[Blue_Roses]

8. I took a beating from my

rwing BIL while defending Bill and this is what I have to show for it...:cry:

[NJSecularist]

6. The only embarrasments are the Obamabots who have sullied a great man's name.

Shameful.

[gateley]

11. Right. He's done nothing to sully it himself.

:sarcasm:

[Blue_Roses]

13. Bill Clinton has done that all by himself...

nobody told him to "do it."

[OzarkDem]

21. Only in your fevered imagination

[Blue_Roses]

25. are you really serious? Surely not, because

the facts state otherwise.

[OzarkDem]

18. Totally unacceptable, un Democratic

and it will not be forgotten or forgiven.

Obama and his supporters will be branded for the future as being disloyal to the Democratic Party and its legacy.

[Blue_Roses]

31. What will NOT BE FORGOTTEN by the Democratic party is how

a primary race was turned into a three-ring circus by our party "elders" who were so power hungry that they deluded the truth to try and influence the electorate. Do you really think Bill Clinton saying these things is helping the party unite? Of course not, because you do nothing but your same tired shit of lambasting Obama.

Step out of your box and see that the world does evolve:eyes:

[marions ghost]

49. Obama...disloyal?

:rofl:

Let's break for a message from the parallel universe.:freak:

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Your posts have become retarded.

[PoliticalAmazon]

41. On the average of about once every 2 weeks WJC says something...

just plain-ass WRONG. The racial divisiveness was bad enough, but the sexist "they're beating up on a girl" is equally as offensive.

What WJC and HRC do and say is no one's fault but their own. The fact that they seem unable to take personal responsibility for what they do makes them very ill-suited for any position of power.

We had 7 years of Bush Jr and his pathetic excuses for his many screwups. I don't want another four years--hell, I don't want another four DAYS--of the Clintons' inability or unwillingness to to take responsibility for their actions.

[IndianaGreen]

72. Bill Clinton has only soiled himself, his reputation, and Monica's dress!

He is the one true misogynist in here! Women were objects of lust to him, not human beings, as evidenced by the way he treated his many victims.

[FrenchieCat]

7. How far they have both fallen.

[OzarkDem]

12. He is still a great man, was a great president

and I feel quite comfortable saying anyone who tries to spin otherwise in a cheap attempt to prop up Obama is NOT a Democrat and should find comfort in some other political party.

Period. Not backing down on that one.

[izquierdista]

16. Obama needs no propping up

Unlike the other campaign that is collapsing as we watch and skipping out on their bills.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

42. Evidently the BO Maniacs think he needs propping up by all

the attacks on Hillary and Bill.

The more you guys spew vile the harder it is to find any redeeming qualities with your candidate. Anyone who inspire this kind of nonsense and hate mongering is someone I don't recognize from the Democratic party. The only saving grace is that I know Obama would never sanction this kind of BS. You might want to buy a clue from your guy.

[Blue_Roses]

48. you might want to spew your bitterness to Bill since he's the one

talking out the back of pick-up trucks. This isn't about Obama. It's about an ex-Democratic President spewing bullshit to try and get his wife elected. It's hurting our party and it's disrespectful to those of us who have supported him for so many years.

...not to mention it's making him look like a lunatic.

[Maureen54]

17. true democratic

If they represent the true Democratic than perhaps I am not one. Please don't speak for us all.

[OzarkDem]

28. Since I'm not a member of the GOP or Green Party

I don't speak for you.

But if you want to refer to Dem leaders like Bill Clinton as "failures", go peddle it somewhere else. Democrats don't buy it.

And if you think you're a Democrat and hate Bill Clinton and his presidency, you need to either learn about the Democratic party of get some therapy.

[Maureen54]

43. nor am I a member of the GOP or Green party

I didn't refer to him as a failure. I am not peddling anything, just stating an opinion. Many Democratic do seem to "buy it" that the Clinton's are not the only representatives of the party. I don't hate anyone. I don't think the Democratic party is only base on your way of thinking( thank God) And you seem very angry so maybe you are the one in need of therapy.

[Blue_Roses]

20. so are you saying I'm not a "Democrat" because if you are

then you are as delusional as Bill Clinton is about Hillary's chances of winning. Also, no one "needs" to "prop up" Obama.

Bill is an embarrassment now. Period. Not backing down on that one, either.

[OzarkDem]

27. Anyone who dishonestly bashes a good Dem president

is not a Democrat. Period.

[PoliticalAmazon]

47. Bill and Hillary are no longer "good" Democrats. In fact, I don't...

believe they are, in practice, Democrats anymore.

[Blue_Roses]

56. bashing?

tell that to Bill 'cause he must not be a "Democrat" either since all he does is bash Obama. This isn't about Obama.

and for the record, I've voted the Democratic ticket since I could vote--over thirty years ago. You have no right to say I am not a Democrat.

You are delusional. Period.

[Maureen54]

14. agree

I too, defended him during most of his presidency. During the Monica ordeal I become concerned that he was that dumb, but still defended him ( the right wing conspiracy ..picking on the Clinton's again...private matter etc.) In retrospect I think I was wrong. His actions then and hers now show only self interest or self need. I don't think they care about the party. When do they ever take responsibility for their actions? Do they seem to care really about what is best for unity of the Democratic party?

[City Lights]

15. If you want to see "frantic," Bill, just look in the mirror.

:eyes:

[Warren Stupidity]

19. Long time disappointment.

My lack of enthusiasm for Bill dates back to his PR event for the 92 campaign wherein he made a big show of rushing back to Arkansas to sign the death warrant for a retarded man, Ricky Ray Rector, who had unsuccessfully appealed his death sentence on the grounds of diminished mental capacity. (In 2002 the Supreme Court, in an unusual display of sanity, banned the execution of retarded people. Oddly Ray's punishment could not be undone.) Clinton 'framed' his enthusiasm for state killings as: Democrats "should no longer feel guilty about protecting the innocent", taking a page right out of the reknucklian reframing play book and forever eradicating any enthusiasm I might have had for him. I still voted for the jerk.

[OzarkDem]

24. Then you should have voted for Nader

Seriously, Green Party voters will never be at home in the Democratic Party. You really should stick with your own.

[Warren Stupidity]

33. Uh no I shouldn't have.

I haven't had an enthusiastic vote for a democratic party presidential nominee since 1972. Despite that, I am a loyal democratic voter who works hard to elect democratic candidates even when I lack any particular enthusiasm for them. The Clinton supporters here have a lot to learn about dealing with disappointment and lack of enthusiasm. Get over it, and get over the Clintons. They do not define the Democratic Party. We do.

[OzarkDem]

40. Then you are in a very, very, very, very small minority

Your POV is not only unfounded its dishonest.

[Warren Stupidity]

53. unfounded and dishonest?

its neither. As for being a minority viewpoint, well sure, but then again so is being a Clinton supporter. I'm not so sure about my view being a "very, very, very, very" minority view, perhaps it is "very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very", or maybe just "very". Here on DU my opinion of the Clintons is not unusual.

Why exactly does 'not being enthusiastic about Clinton' and not liking politicians who pander to voters by gleefully executing retarded people, disqualify me as a democrat? How exactly are my views about Clinton as expressed in the post you originally responded to 'unfounded'? Am I factually wrong?

[Freida5]

23. Michelle Obama is the embarassment. Oh is she off limits

[Blue_Roses]

67. Michelle Obama is not a former Democratic President.

Bill Clinton is and he should be trying to unite the party--not divide it.

[Saturday]

26. If you hadn't been so young in the 90's you'd remember what a great President he was. nt

[Blue_Roses]

58. first of all, what a dumb thing to say since you have no idea of my

age. Secondly, I do remember the good things he did. Unfortunately, they are being over-shadowed now by the things he's saying.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

71. You 'd win a lot of money by betting that an Obama supporter was under 30....

Yes - there are plenty of exceptions - but for the most part they're either under 30 or pretty "green."

I'd love to be all giddy and believe in all of this "hope and change stuff" but unfortunately, I am a realist. Definitely not as much fun...

[Blue_Roses]

73. I'm a "realist" too and have been since

I first voted for Jimmy Carter. Seems another president ran on "hope" at one time. I can understand the disappointment you have now.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

77. Our generation saw 3 assasinations, the Vietnam war, Nixon being impeached.

gotta give you credit for bouncing back and believing in it all - but I'm very cynical and don't believe anything until I see it.

I hope that you all are right and I'm wrong about Obama.

[Blue_Roses]

85. I think the biggest problem "we" the electorate have with our

candidates is giving them too much "God-like" status. Kind of like the doctor we look to when we need help feeling better. Right now our country needs to "feel better" after these long horrifying years of Bush. (I had him as a governor before this so it's REALLY grim at times--sheesh!) Unfortunately, the candidate is just a "man or woman" and when they let us down we loose faith. We put too much "faith" in their ability to "deliver us from evil," and not enough in ourselves.

With disappointment and imperfection we're bound to feel "let down" but I still look to the decisions that the candidates make that influence the overall gloomy picture of what many call reality. That's what I did with Bill Clinton-I continued to look at his stance on Democratic principles and policies--even though he disappointed me with his dumb personal actions. But now, with him spewing this "cover-up" bullshit, I don't know what to think. I'm really disappointed in the fact that we are six months away from the GE and he's still doing all he can to divide this party on the basis of what he thinks is "Hillary's electability."

It goes beyond pale. It's not helping the party unite and he should be ashamed of himself for doing this since he was once the Democratic President who lead our party.

[Triana]

32. WHAT THE F IS IT WITH THIS ELECTORAL COLLEGE CRAP?!

The EC does NOT COUNT in a Primary. Only DELEGATES count in a primary.

The EC only counts in the GE - nobody is going to appoint HILLARY the nominee based on a GE and ECs in a GE that HASN'T HAPPENED YET.


:wtf:

[woolldog]

37. He's been an embarassment since the Lewinsky scandal.

[NaturalHigh]

38. While I'm not a Hillary fan...

I'm not going to jump on the "Bash Bill" bandwagon. I would much rather have Bill Clinton back in the White House over his wife or Obama or McCain?

Before all the foolishness of this primary, comments about Bill Clinton on this site were 95% positive. How fickle some are.

[Blue_Roses]

60. fickle? try honest. many of us didn't want to say what we really thought

of "Monica-gate" because we actually respect the Office of the Presidency and since that office was held by Bill Clinton, our Democratic Party leader, we supported him through all that shit. Now, I can't sit back and watch a man spew blatant ills about something that is obviously distorted. It's why I vote for a Democratic President.

[marions ghost]

54. I call him Snake Oil Bill now....

Hey Swamp Rat--can you do something with that? (You know standing on the back of the red pickup truck, the keg full of snake oil, Bill with his microphone topping off the cups...)

Bill, who I once supported, wrestled out votes for, and later defended -- Bill you are dead to me now (figuratively speaking).

Some people you 'forgive,' but you never want to see again x(

[Catherina]

59. The Red Wheelbarrow

The Red Wheelbarrow
William Carlos Williams

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

so much depends
upon
a red wheel
barrow

glazed with rain
water

beside the white
chickens.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

so much depends
upon
an intern blow
job

glazed with lust
cigars

in the oval
office.

[DeschutesRiver]

62. Hearing him on video say this stuff

was even worse - he looked like a finger wagging, pathetic figure, who wasn't really making much sense. If you didn't know he was a former president, you would have turned the channel off rather than hear a rant by some used car salesman.

He has pretty much made himself irrelevant for the remainder of his life by these wierd speeches - a cover up? Totally republican now.

[Blue_Roses]

63. sadly, I cannot listen to him any more

it makes me too angry. I just don't understand how he can do this

[DeschutesRiver]

74. Neither do I

and I turn off the tv faster now when he is speaking than I do with Hillary.

Just when I think he can't be serious, or he can't say anything more wierd, bam, there he is, wagging that finger, red faced, with crazy words coming out. Any dignity he had has simply flown out the window. And like you, it is making me angry. I don't like to hear him talk down to voters like this - because he has to be assuming his audience is dumb and/or gullible in order to believe these half baked conspiracy theories.

[Blue_Roses]

84. we're not the only ones apparently

'cause that's all I've heard all over the news this morning of Bill Clinton's "weird" behavior. Actually, it makes me very sad.

[Brundle_Fly]

65. a vast conspiracy... a cover up...

next it will be UFO's aligning with Obama to take over America...

this is insanity, it is sad to watch, not funny.

I always thought Bill was a little too republican, but after 12 years of Reagan and Bush I was happy to have him... I think now you can argue he has lost his mind.

[Blue_Roses]

66. at first, I let it go by when I heard stupid things come out of his mouth

I gave him the benefit of the doubt since he is the spouse, but now, when we are so close to wrapping this thing up and heading toward the GE I can't. What he's saying is nonsense and he knows it. That's the sad part.

[flpoljunkie]

68. HRC complains about the "urgency to end this" when her plan was to end it Super Tuesday.

With no plan after that date. Priceless!

[Prophet 451]

69. Phone call for Bill Clinton, phone call for Bill Clinton...

It's the Lost & Found office, Mr. Clinton. Apparently, someone just handed in your lost dignity.

[ccharles000]

70. I think Bill is wonderful.

[Brundle_Fly]

76. oh he's great...

he's just losing his mind

[Mike L]

78. You far left Dems are a "disappointment and an embarrassment."

We've now got a Mondale/Dukakis at the top of our ticket.

[Blue_Roses]

83. Far left?

:rofl: not quite...but nice try at a slame.

[SeaLyons]

79. Bill Clinton is a great man,,,,

and his words are truthful.

[AZ Criminal JD]

80. Another concern post. Please stick with the Leader.

[CatnHat]

81. To the OP -Posting crap like that

is a clear example of how the typical Obama supporter actually thinks. Scary.

When the GOP went after Obama's wife--there was holy hell to pay.

"Lay off" President Clinton. He is--always will be one the finest democratic presidents in modern time.

This whole Obama craze is not only beyond ridiculous; its beyond stupid.

[Blue_Roses]

82. To YOU: CatnHat:

what the VERY CLEAR example is, is how a man who I once admired and DEFENDED--after he betrayed his party by lying--continues to polarize this party time and time again when he should be bringing this party together. We are six months from the GE and to hear Bill Clinton go out on the "stump" and state there is a "conspiracy" is ludicrous and it makes him look like he's lost his ever-loving mind.

Don't blame this on Obama. Obama has done nothing to provoke this and has actually taken up for Hillary.

I used to hang on Bill Clinton's every word (yes, I sure did) and I so admired him for his intelligence and his ability to make sound (so I thought) judgments regarding our Democratic policies. Now I don't know what to think. Can you for once step outside of you fawning for the Clintons, to see that many of us here DID ONCE admire them only to feel betrayed by their behavior? Many of you can't really see WHY we are so disappointed in the Clintons and how sad WE ARE at this. Bill Clinton can campaign for his wife, but he doesn't have to drag bullshit into this to get the electorate to vote for her. It makes him look desperate and bitter. I can guarantee you there are those (believe it or not) here on DU who feel dumbfounded by what we are hearing from Bill. People who stood strong for the Clintons only to question :wtf: is wrong with him...maybe it's a question we should have asked a long time, but many of us couldn't take those rose-tinted glasses off long enough to really see.